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a1Jim

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08-04-2015 05:54 PM

Topic tags/keywords: saftey

Hi gang
As I was cutting some wood on the table saw today the thought came to me that what I was doing is not something I would recommend to my woodworking students. My father’s words came back to me “do as I say not as I do”.
Because I’m a 30 year woodworker my experience allows me to do operations or techniques I would never recommend or teach to a New b. Such as (New bs cover your eyes :)) free hand ripping a angle on a table saw of free hand hollowing out the back of the end of a board on the table saw free hand, pulling a board back at you on the table saw when the cut starts wrong.end cutting a slot on a board standing upright. ripping thin strips on a thin board with a circular saw an more. Are these operations dangerous? YES! Do I do these things on a every day basis ? NO . Even as a very experienced woodworker I can still get injured doing these things so I don’t recommend these techniques to others.
These are my true confessions what are yours?(woodworking only please LOL)

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture


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Dennis Fletcher

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#1 posted 08-04-2015 06:07 PM

I am known for ripping wood freehand on a tablesaw, when the width varies. I don’t think I have used a blade cover on my table saw since I knew I could take it off.

Also, I have been known to use my mitre saw incorrectly, as well.

I think, when you get used to a tool, you use it on a continual basis, you begin to learn little tricks you can do with that tool, though it may never have been made to do them.

I have learned to curb this misuse, recently, though, when I had a piece of wood shoot back at me and almost break a rib, or 3.

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Underdog

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#2 posted 08-04-2015 06:16 PM

I’m sure I have other dangerous practices, that will remain unconfessed, but I’m going to do something I don’t recommend anyone do…

I’m going to give you my un-solicited advice:

Stop that! It’s dangerous!

-- "woodworker with an asterisk"

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a1Jim

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#3 posted 08-04-2015 06:21 PM

Yep
no blade guard with me either,I feel in some cases having one makes what you’re doing unsafe. I forgot I cut boards on chop saws pulling them on edge along the fence to trim a end section to trim it’s height too.
I agree we need to curb the use of these techniques to a minimum .

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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SirIrb

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#4 posted 08-04-2015 07:01 PM

Feeding a board backwards into the blade on a table saw. Guilty as charged.
Licking spinning drill bits so they cool faster. Nope, not that one.

-- Don't blame me, I voted for no one.

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shipwright

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#5 posted 08-04-2015 07:10 PM

All of the above and a habitual climb cutter on the router. Just had too many tear outs.

-- Paul M ..............If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats he would have given us fibreglass trees. http://thecanadianschooloffrenchmarquetry.com/

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mahdee

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#6 posted 08-04-2015 07:20 PM

Well, let say I’ve been out on a limb a few times more than I care to confess.

-- earthartandfoods.com

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canadianchips

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#7 posted 08-04-2015 07:25 PM

Guilty as well.
I think with experience it becomes “maybe a little safer” because we are comfortable with the saw we use.
I never gave it much thought on cutting on a table saw until this spring a young fellow was helping me on outfeed side. He grabbed BOTH pieces and cleared the table saw, it was then I realized I was still pushing my piece between the blade and fence, my hand came close to blade as he PULLED. I aske hime not to pull, I will push it through.
Look at your hands, do you have all your fingers ? if so you must be doing it safe.

-- "My mission in life - make everyone smile !"

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Richard

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#8 posted 08-04-2015 07:39 PM

We may not all Admit it but we are pretty much all Guilty of doing something like this. I Know I am , but I try to remember to do it the right way most times.

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Todd

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#9 posted 08-04-2015 07:46 PM

I don’t use the blade guard on my table saw either. I switch from ripping to crosscutting too much. However, I always use a Grr ripper when ripping unless cutting sheet stock. One thing I NEVER do…use my table saw without the riving knife, unless I’m using my dado stack.

My only other confession, freehand crosscutting stock less than 2” wide if I need a quick cut and my crosscut sled is not on my saw.

Sometimes I look at the spinning ts blade and wonder when I’m going to encounter it with flesh. [spine is tingling now]

-- Todd, Huntsville, AL

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a1Jim

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#10 posted 08-04-2015 07:50 PM

SirIb
I came close to your licking the drill bit thing,way back when I built my first deck I’d put a deck screw in and realized the board needed to be moved on the joist I backed the screw out and promptly placed it in my mouth where I had 3 or 4 other screws,all of a sudden I hear this bubbling sound ,it was the saliva in my mouth boling from the super hot screw I’d just put in my mouth,obviously I wasn’t thinking about the friction heating the screw up from backing it out of the wood,the bubbling sound came just before my big YEEEEOW I yelled out. LOL
Your certainly hanging out there Mr’jinx
Wow chips
That’s one of my pet peeves don’t help ripping by pulling a board from the back of the saw, a quick way to pull someone’s hands into a saw blade. Yep all fingers are intact I’m grateful for that.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#11 posted 08-04-2015 08:30 PM

Sometimes I don’t wear safety glass.In my mind I say this will just take a second.And it will take too long to get the glasses,So I Just do the safety squint.Thats my confession.

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Don Butler

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#12 posted 08-04-2015 08:33 PM

My blade guard is overhead and contains dust collection, so I rarely do without. The exception is when making a cut with which the guard will interfere.

Not that I’ve never been injured, but I still have 20 digits and only one numb fingertip.

Don

-- No trees were damaged in posting this message, but thousands of electrons were seriously inconvenienced.

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Ghidrah

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#13 posted 08-04-2015 09:15 PM

I agree, I would not suggest free hand work on a TS to someone new to the tool and or trade. However the technique has great value when one is familiar with the tool from much time working with it. I saw carpenters using the technique on a daily basis when I was learning the trade. It requires accurate hand/eye coordination.

-- I meant to do that!

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Roger

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#14 posted 08-04-2015 09:22 PM

I know what you mean Jim. I have caught myself getting ready to do the “don’t do this” thing, and was able to win that argument w/my brain and didn’t do it. I’m sure I’ve done many “don’t do this” things tho. Outside of the woodshop, I will say this: Don’t ever try to put new string in your weed whacker while it is running…..................it really hurts the fingers….............LOL…..............seriously had a brain malfunction when I did that a few years ago.

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Keep your dust collector fed. Kentuk55@yahoo.com

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rwe2156

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#15 posted 08-04-2015 10:07 PM

OK, I confess….

I always use a blade guard, eye protection, ear protection, and a respirator and I NEVER, EVER run a board over the jointer without a push block…...

.....Yeah, right…..

You’re exactly right, Jim, but as a 20 yr ww’er, you and I both know when we get lulled into stuff like that, eventually we get bit in the ass, it serves as a reminder that we need to respect our machines a little more than we.

One of my recent reminders came when ripping some stock with a loose knot.
No eye protection. No push block.
Almost had a bad day.

That’s my biggest downfall: not looking at the stock just robotically feeding it in.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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