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08-03-2015 07:47 PM

Hello everyone. I am really new to woodworking. In fact this is my first post as a member here. I am looking for my first table saw. I do not intend at this time to do any fine work with it. I am looking for something all purpose. This will be my all purpose saw since I don’t have a mitre, band, or scroll saw. We just moved into our first home, and I’m beginning to finally get settled in doing homeowner type things, but I want the ability to eventually make a piece of furniture or shelving if I want in the future. I found a listing on Cragislist for an 8” Craftsman table saw manufactured by King-Seeley. Model Number 103.23833. The lister says it’s from the 50’s. I don’t know the DOM as I haven’t contacted Craftsman about it, but I believe it based on the styling. This thing has the additional leafs (is that the correct term?) so the table is wider than just the top that comes attached to the unit. It also has a 4” jointer attached. Both units are run from a single motor by moving the belt. The seller wants $285. I don’t know anything about this type of equipment so I wanted your guys’ opinion before biting on this. I have attached some of the photos he posted in the listing.


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#1 posted 08-03-2015 08:20 PM

That looks like early 50’s to me. I inherited my father’s old Craftsman like that one and built many things with it. The fence is a weak link on that saw, and it’s far below the performance level of newer 10” contractor saws. For another $100 you’ll gain vastly better performance and enjoyment.

-- John

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#2 posted 08-03-2015 08:31 PM

John,

Thanks for that info. I did notice that of all the parts visible in the picture the fence looks ridiculously cheap compared to the rest of the saw.

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#3 posted 08-03-2015 08:37 PM

There is no way to adjust that fence. Also, it tends to have slop when locked down to the table. Dangerous. I’d pass on it and pick up a 10” used contractors saw. Others will give you good advice on brand. Good luck.

John

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#4 posted 08-03-2015 08:48 PM

I did find these four.

http://york.craigslist.org/tls/5128835749.html

http://york.craigslist.org/tls/5119387967.html

http://york.craigslist.org/tls/5071814192.html

http://harrisburg.craigslist.org/tls/5153098771.html

Anyone have thoughts? I have no idea what brand to look for. I do keep finding Delta, Craftsman and Rockwell.

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#5 posted 08-03-2015 08:50 PM

I did find this one.

Run away screaming…

Cheers,
Brad

Edit: Now that you’ve updated the links, that Unisaw is a great deal at $150, but you will have to invest some time and additional money to get it working. It would, however, probably be the last saw you would buy for a very, very long time once it’s all fixed up.

http://harrisburg.craigslist.org/tls/5153098771.html

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#6 posted 08-03-2015 08:56 PM

Run as fast as you can. If you don’t, you’ll be doing plenty of screaming.

John

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#7 posted 08-03-2015 09:11 PM


I did find these four.

http://york.craigslist.org/tls/5128835749.html

http://york.craigslist.org/tls/5119387967.html

http://york.craigslist.org/tls/5071814192.html

http://harrisburg.craigslist.org/tls/5153098771.html

Anyone have thoughts? I have no idea what brand to look for. I do keep finding Delta, Craftsman and Rockwell.

- Jeffjr02

You’re choices are all over the map from run away, to not bad ….not unusual for a newbie, so some reading is in order. The ABCs of Table Saws

Small plastic saws with direct drive universal motors give up a lot to the larger cast iron saws with belt drive induction motors. Unless you NEED to move the saw from site to site, get a full size stationary saw. The difference in actual footprint isn’t much considering what you gain.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#8 posted 08-03-2015 09:12 PM


I did find these four.

http://york.craigslist.org/tls/5128835749.html

http://york.craigslist.org/tls/5119387967.html

http://york.craigslist.org/tls/5071814192.html

http://harrisburg.craigslist.org/tls/5153098771.html

Anyone have thoughts? I have no idea what brand to look for. I do keep finding Delta, Craftsman and Rockwell.

- Jeffjr02

Definitely not the first two. Those are plastic bodied, universal motor jobsite saws. Not what you want for a woodworking shop.

The Craftsman could be OK, but is overpriced, IMHO. Should be around $150 for one of those.

The Delta could be a great saw, if you want to put in the work and have 220V available. Have to either change the motor or get a converter to deal with the three phase. Plus find out if there is a fence. Once all done up, though, it’d give you all the benefits of a full size cabinet saw.

Also, I looked through the CL listings for your area, and this one jumped out at me, if it’s still available.

http://york.craigslist.org/tls/5104692201.html

Crappy pics, but those Hitachi’s were good contractor type saws and the surface rust is easy to clean off. Best reasonable offer says to me offer $200 and see what happens.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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#9 posted 08-03-2015 09:41 PM

Thanks for that link knotscott. I see now that it’s more complicated than just looking for a stationary saw. I assumed all stationary were “contractor” saws. This is a good little article.

And JayT, which Craftsman are you referring to? The originally posted one or the second one I found? The second one is listed for $100. In regards to the Delta (do you mean the big blue Rockwell?)...I coincidentally just put in a 240v outlet for an old Craftsman compressor I found on CL. But I’m not sure if I would be able to hook this up. I assumed that a three phase motor needed true three phase power from a 480v circuit.

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#10 posted 08-03-2015 09:51 PM

And JayT, which Craftsman are you referring to? The originally posted one or the second one I found? The second one is listed for $100. In regards to the Delta (do you mean the big blue Rockwell?)...I coincidentally just put in a 240v outlet for an old Craftsman compressor I found on CL. But I m not sure if I would be able to hook this up. I assumed that a three phase motor needed true three phase power from a 480v circuit.

- Jeffjr02

Yes, I was referring to the second one (third link in your list of four links). Looked at the header saying $250 and didn’t look below. For $100, it’d make a good saw. You would probably eventually want to upgrade the fence, but would work fine starting out. I’d still take the Hitachi over it, though, as long as everything checked out. I seem to recall something about one of the gears being plastic and may need replaced, but don’t recall for sure. Maybe Scott can chime in on that one. The fence on the Hitachi is pretty decent and you wouldn’t need to upgrade it.

The blue Rockwell is a Unisaw from when Rockwell and Delta were one company, I just always refer to them as Delta out of habit. There are three ways to convert a three phase motor to run on single phase power. A VFD (variable frequency drive) is probably the most economical for a single piece of equipment. If you are doing a whole shop, then it might make sense to go up to a phase converter, either rotary or static. There are guys on here that know a lot more about those than me, so I’m not even going to try an explanation. Just know that it is possible.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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#11 posted 08-03-2015 10:03 PM

http://york.craigslist.org/tls/5071814192.html
This is a good deal and a good saw. As you get more experienced you will probably want to replace the fence. The fence can be squared up by measuring to the miter slot onboth ends but it won’t always hold square.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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#12 posted 08-03-2015 10:04 PM

That Unisaw is a 1964 model, and is most likely 240v 3 phase. A VFD could be used to get it running, and run you about $150-$200 depending on amperage. Also figure in new bearings (arbor and motor – less than $30 total) and new belts (about $20 for a set of 3). Don’t know if it has a fence, but that will add more, as will a miter gauge if you want one (alternatively, you can just build a sled). The rest would be depending on how far you want to take it.. either just a good cleaning, or tearing it down to repaint/restore. It has the dust door, lock knobs (both frequently missing) and the nice cast iron base, which is a plus.

Cheers,
Brad

PS: A static phase converter, IMO, is not worth it.. it really isn’t 3-phase as it drops one lead after startup and reduces the HP of the motor by roughly 1/3.

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#13 posted 08-03-2015 11:09 PM

All kinds of saws in your area – http://harrisburg.craigslist.org/tls/5149647954.html

http://harrisburg.craigslist.org/tls/5113815776.html

http://reading.craigslist.org/tls/5129369217.html

http://lancaster.craigslist.org/tls/5137489538.html

http://frederick.craigslist.org/tls/5087736321.html

This is a lot of saw for $130. That surface rust will clean up nicely. The fence is pretty decent on this one too.
http://york.craigslist.org/tls/5154999560.html

So is this one – http://harrisburg.craigslist.org/tls/5144118108.html

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#14 posted 08-03-2015 11:13 PM

I’d jump all over that Craftsman that Scott linked for $130. It won’t last long.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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#15 posted 08-04-2015 12:21 PM

Wow. Thanks for all of your help everyone. You definitely went above and beyond. I may check out the Craftsman you linked scott. Is there any advice for cleaning such an item? I’ve never undertaken rust removal on something that the look/finish actually mattered. I would love that Rockwell for the sheer ability it could possess but in all honesty I don’t even know how I would get it into the basement, unless I could take it apart into a couple different pieces. Our basement is rather small for right now. Unfortunately we live in one of those 120 year old city houses, so people barely fit down those basement steps.

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