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Duffman

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07-23-2015 04:09 PM

Good Afternoon,
Last year I had a similar post, however, I had a large expense pop up and was unable to pull the trigger to get a table saw. It has taken me nearly a full year to save back up to get a saw and here are the options that I am looking at. 1) Delta Model 10 with Biesmeyer fence and includes the router in the table – $550

2) Dewalt DW746 with Excalibur sliding table, 52in extension table, outside table (no steel wings) – $best offer (no price stated)

3) Shop Fox W1677 3hp – $999 (I know this is the big boy on the block is it worth paying the extra $$ for)

4) Steel City 22116 – $799 – This one is brand new from a local retailer, so no pic. I am having trouble finding info on this saw as the only thing that comes up when i google it is the craftsman version of the saw. It is the last one they have so there is a chance I could talk them down a little.

I greatly appreciate any info/opinions/advice you can give. Please let me know your thoughts, thank you.

-Ryan

-- I'm not addicted to buying tools or wood... I can stop any time I want!


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rwe2156

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#1 posted 07-23-2015 04:37 PM

The ShopFox is def worth the extra loot.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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DKV

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#2 posted 07-23-2015 04:47 PM

I have the Dewalt and have been very happy. I’ve had it 12 years. Offer $450-500 for the whole setup. It’s a good deal.

I can’t believe I’m offering advice on a “what saw should I buy” thread.

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JayT

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#3 posted 07-23-2015 04:53 PM

1) No, I wouldn’t pay that for the setup, even with the extras

2) Maybe, depends on what price range they are thinking

3) Good saw, same as the Grizzly 1023, IIRC. Only saving about $300 over the new Grizz and no warranty.

4) 22116 is a Craftsman model #, not a Steel City model #. Same manufacturer, so not really a major issue. A good hybrid saw, but honestly, if I had 220v power available, I’d spend the extra $200 on the Shop Fox 3HP cabinet saw.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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knotscott

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#4 posted 07-23-2015 07:23 PM

Those are all viable saws, but the 3 with a price tag are all a tad steep IMO.

The Shop Fox is pretty significant step up and is worth giving some serious thought to, but I wouldn’t pay their asking price. It’s the same saw I’ve had since 2008, and it’s been a gem….it is indeed a white version of the G1023SL (FWIW, the BORK riving knife will fit, and works well on mine). I was fortunate to pay $903 delivered to my door due to some special promotions, but I think the going rate was more like $1300-$1400 new. I’d think fair price would be closer to $800….maybe even less. Can’t hurt to tell him what your budget is, and make an offer.

If the W1677 doesn’t pan out, the 22116 has cabinet mounted trunnions, a riving knife, and a full enclosure going for it….warranty probably isn’t worth much at this point.


...I can t believe I m offering advice on a “what saw should I buy” thread.

- DKV

Fun, isn’t it! ;-)

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Richard

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#5 posted 07-23-2015 07:55 PM

That Delta is most likely a Right Tilt Blade if it makes any difference to you. I have the Rockwell model of it with full cast iron wings which this one also looks to have and just wish I had the Biesmeyer fence for it.

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Duffman

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#6 posted 07-23-2015 10:06 PM

i believe the delta is a right tilt as well. Also I’d have to drive a lot further to get the shop fox, the closest is the steel city at about a half hour. The shop fox would be a 4 hour drive (one way), if that makes a difference.

BTW, thanks for all the responses, I really appreciate it.

Now… I just gotta sell off a few tools to help pay for the new addition.

-- I'm not addicted to buying tools or wood... I can stop any time I want!

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Duffman

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#7 posted 07-23-2015 10:08 PM


If the W1677 doesn t pan out, the 22116 has cabinet mounted trunnions, a riving knife, and a full enclosure going for it….warranty probably isn t worth much at this point.

- knotscott

Why wouldn’t the warranty be worth anything?

-- I'm not addicted to buying tools or wood... I can stop any time I want!

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JayT

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#8 posted 07-23-2015 10:15 PM


If the W1677 doesn t pan out, the 22116 has cabinet mounted trunnions, a riving knife, and a full enclosure going for it….warranty probably isn t worth much at this point.

- knotscott

Why wouldn t the warranty be worth anything?

- Duffman

If it’s a Steel City saw, that company closed its doors April 1 of this year. Warranty and parts are supposed to be handled by another company that took it over, but I don’t know of anyone that has reported how they were to work with. If it’s actually a Craftsman saw, you shouldn’t have a problem.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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bigJohninvegas

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#9 posted 07-24-2015 12:03 AM

I looked at used table saws for months never finding one that was in my budget, and not to used up.
if you can afford the $999 shop fox, I would look seriously at a new Jet saw. I’ve seen them starting
around $1199. + I think they have that 15% special going on. A friend just bought a lathe online with amazon,
and got the 15%+free shipping, + no taxes. Some tools can last forever. It seems table saws will wear out.

-- John

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distrbd

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#10 posted 07-24-2015 12:08 AM

I can t believe I m offering advice on a “what saw should I buy” thread.

- DKV


I can’t believe it either.it must be all the fume from the spray glue you are inhaling..

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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knotscott

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#11 posted 07-24-2015 12:38 AM


I looked at used table saws for months never finding one that was in my budget, and not to used up.
if you can afford the $999 shop fox, I would look seriously at a new Jet saw. I ve seen them starting
around $1199. + I think they have that 15% special going on. A friend just bought a lathe online with amazon,
and got the 15%+free shipping, + no taxes. Some tools can last forever. It seems table saws will wear out.

- bigJohninvegas

For $1200 he’d be looking at a 1.75hp Jet hybrid compared to a 3hp industrial cabinet saw….nothing wrong with that, but I wanted to point out the apples to oranges comparison to the OP.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Duffman

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#12 posted 07-24-2015 01:05 AM

My first inclination is to go toward the shop fox, especially if I can get him to move down on the price.

I’m not too entirely sure how I feel about the Jet idea. My brother has a Jet, and it tends to bog down considerably when running harder stock through it. Granted its about 15-20 years old and is a contractor style, so its still not a great comparison. But in true brotherly fashion I feel compelled to get something better than what he has, haha.

-- I'm not addicted to buying tools or wood... I can stop any time I want!

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JohnDon

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#13 posted 07-24-2015 05:27 AM

I got my Craftsman 22116 a few months ago, and have been extremely happy with it. It has a 1.75 hp motor, which is more than sufficient for my needs. The table is large and absolutely flat, and blade and fence alignments were spot on, so assembly and set up were pretty easy. I can’t speak to the other saws you’re considering. I’m not sure whether Steel City’s demise has anything at all to do with parts availability- in my experience Sears has always been pretty good at supporting their products parts line.

As for price, the 22116 lists new through Sears for $1000, and through Sears Outlet for $663.24 (at scattered locations)- you might be able to negotiate a better price than $799 with that info.

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rwe2156

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#14 posted 07-24-2015 09:57 PM

Duff – I think your instincts are right re: the Shop Fox.

Maximum affordable power is never a bad thing in ww’ing.

I don’t know what they sold for but the new models are $2000 saws.

I agree try to get him down, but even at $999 its an ok deal.
It will be twice the saw the others are.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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Marv

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#15 posted 07-25-2015 01:27 AM

I don’t know where you live but Craig’s list is oozing with cabinet saws of all brands in N + S Carolina. Last weekend I drove 400 mi rt for a Jet JWCS 10, a few little rust spots at the bottom, and surface on the top(all gone now) 4 quality blades, Excalibur fence system, Incra 1000 t-square setup for $350. It’s a beast and 1/2 hr of adjusting it’s dead on. Deals are out there just be patient. I was all set to pay that for a contractors saw, but the guy didn’t call me in time or I would have stopped looking. Just my 2 bits.
Happy hunting!

-- I have never asked someone to do something I haven't or won't do.

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