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learn2make

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07-19-2015 12:24 AM

Hi all. I am a beginner. I have very little knowledge about woodworking. I have not taken any classes and I only own a drill, saw, hammer and nails. I’m looking to build a simple shelf from a piece of pine wood. It needs to be 12” x 48” x 1”. A friend who is knowledgeable recommended I just buy a piece of pine board from lowes/homedepot and cut it to the dimensions I require then apply two coats of paint and simply attach metal brackets. That all sounds simple. However, what tools should I buy in the process? Will I get the board cut to my desired dimensions at lowes/homedepot? Do I need to sand the board before painting? Do I need to use a primer or something? Finally, where would I learn the basics of woodworking?


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mahdee

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#1 posted 07-19-2015 04:10 PM

You don’t need any tools other than what you have. I think HD does cut them for you. Yes you need to sand them as manufacturers do put a thin coat of water proofing spray on lumber. Some new paint have the primer and paint combined. Start by YouTube. Type in basic woodworking, basic shelf making might help you.

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#2 posted 07-19-2015 05:03 PM

Ahhh…the beginner days (not so long ago, in my case!). As Jinx said, you have the tools necessary right now… a saw, drill, and hammer.
As to jumping into wood working… you will eventually need more than that in your arsenal. You do not mention how deep or serious you want to go down that hole. First things first: safety. Numerous posts here and other websites talk about accidents from simple hammer & chisels to power saws. You have a ‘saw’ (hand power saw tool or table saw?). Google search “kickback” from either tool. Then get one of those Workmate stands if you have no bench or vice capability, then a book such as on amazon Andy Rae : The complete illustrated guide to furniture and cabinet construction . Then you can decide how far down the rabbit hole you want to go.

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#3 posted 07-19-2015 05:12 PM

I would say how you hang and what you use to hang the shelf with should depend on what the weight of the objects are that you intend to place on the shelf. The weight will define the method, side brackets to prevent the outer edge from dropping, reinforcement along the outer edge to prevent sag in the middle of the shelf.

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learn2make

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#4 posted 07-19-2015 05:14 PM

I have a hand saw. It is not a power saw. I want to make or modify small furniture around the house. Also for this shelf I’m planning to apply a clear coat. Since I’m working with Pine, do I need to use a pre stain wood conditioner or just go with the clear coat directly?

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MT_Stringer

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#5 posted 07-19-2015 05:24 PM

The big box stores usually have pine boards in short lengths. They probably already have boards 4 foot long stacked ready and waiting for you.

Be forewarned, that a 1×12 inch board is only 11 1/4×3/4 inches thick. The 1×12 is what the rough lumber started out as, and somebody has to do the mill work to make it pretty so you will buy it. :-)

Definitely sand your finished project before applying any finish. Start with 80 grit, then move to 120 grit, and finally 180 or 220 grit.

Question – what purpose will the shelf serve?

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MT_Stringer

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#6 posted 07-19-2015 05:27 PM



Hi all. I am a beginner. I have very little knowledge about woodworking. Finally, where would I learn the basics of woodworking?

- learn2make

Search You Tube for that info. There is more info there than you can shake a stick at! :-)

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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#7 posted 07-19-2015 05:33 PM

All you need is a drill, screwdriver and money:

1×12 – 4’ boards:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Unbranded-1-in-x-12-in-x-4-ft-Common-Board-458503/100322335

Pick your shelf brackets:
http://www.homedepot.com/s/shelf%2520brackets?NCNI-5

Attach with screws and anchors:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/E-Z-Ancor-Twist-N-Lock-75-8-x-1-1-4-in-Phillips-Zinc-Plated-Nylon-Flat-Head-Drywall-Anchors-with-Screws-4-Pack-11364/100165900

Finishing is up to you… paint, stain, clear coat, whatever…

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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AlaskaGuy

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#8 posted 07-19-2015 05:43 PM

Since you a beginner hears a tip for you. How to express lumber dimension.

The first number is the thickness, the second number width and the third is the length.

You should have done this. 1×12 x 48

Please don’t be offended, this is not meant to criticize but a learning lesson.

The way you wrote it, it says you what a shelf 12 inches thick, 48 inches wide and 1 inch long.

http://chestofbooks.com/home-improvement/woodworking/Community-Shop-Projects/Reading-And-Writing-Dimensions-Of-Lumber.html#.VavhkPkjaBw

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#9 posted 07-19-2015 06:15 PM

What kind of brackets are you using? If the stamped metal type you’ll have to screw them to your wood so a driver bit for your drill would be nice. If you don’t have that a small drill bit and hand screwdriver is needed. Make sure you use at least 3 brackets – one in the center and one about 6 inches from each end – or your shelf will sag. A level would be helpful too, but you could always just measure from the ceiling or floor if they are level so now a tape measure comes into play.

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#10 posted 07-19-2015 06:25 PM

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#11 posted 07-19-2015 07:10 PM

I would also add that you learn to use the tools you have at hand, learn how to use the hand saw, some people spend their lives making a living out of using hand tools in woodworking. The best way to gain knowledge is through action. It’s much more difficult for you to lose a finger with a handsaw then it is to lose a couple with a circ.

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learn2make

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#12 posted 07-19-2015 08:34 PM

AlaskaGuy, thanks for the lesson. I’m here to learn so no offense. Thanks for being patient :)

MrUnix, I will pick one of these up and have them cut to the dimensions that I need.

MT_Stringer, the purpose of this shelf is to house a few electronic items. It will be above my wall mounted television. This brings me to another question. I am not planning to punch a hole in the drywall to run my cables since the TV is not very far away from the shelf. I want to cut a groove in the back side of the shelf so I can feed the wires into a cable raceway. I’m not sure how would I do this with a handsaw. Also, I’d like to make the edges curved, do I need a power saw to cut the edges or can I do it with a small hand saw? This is what I have – http://www.homedepot.com/p/HDX-6-in-Mini-Hacksaw-TUA0002J/204284862

dhazelton/Ghidrah, I’m planning to use metal brackets – 3x like these – http://www.homedepot.com/p/Richelieu-Hardware-10-lb-8-in-x-5-1-2-in-Black-Ornamental-Bracket-493FB08R/202205501 Also I have 2 wall studs that I can screw them into but the middle one would most likely be anchored using a drywall anchor. For a 12” deep shelf, how big a bracket should I use?

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MT_Stringer

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#13 posted 07-19-2015 09:39 PM

MT_Stringer, the purpose of this shelf is to house a few electronic items. It will be above my wall mounted television. This brings me to another question. I am not planning to punch a hole in the drywall to run my cables since the TV is not very far away from the shelf. I want to cut a groove in the back side of the shelf so I can feed the wires into a cable raceway. I m not sure how would I do this with a handsaw. Also, I d like to make the edges curved, do I need a power saw to cut the edges or can I do it with a small hand saw? This is what I have – http://www.homedepot.com/p/HDX-6-in-Mini-Hacksaw-TUA0002J/204284862

- learn2make

Is this what you are wanting to accomplish? If so, you will need to find someone with a router to cut a rabbet into the back edge of your board.

Remember, it is only 3/4 inch thick to start with.

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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MrUnix

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#14 posted 07-19-2015 10:00 PM

I think what you are asking about is just a notch to let the cables run down the wall to the TV? If so, just a small “V” cut in the back would work and you can do it with your hand saw. If you want it more square, two cuts with a hand saw and then knock it out with a chisel would work. As for rounding the edges… that is a bit more complicated… depending on the rounding you are looking for. Rounded corners? Rounded top/bottom edges? Both?

Cheers,
Brad

PS: For 12” shelves, you need 10” wide brackets.

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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learn2make

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#15 posted 07-19-2015 10:00 PM

MT_Stringer, I actually want something depicted in the picture here – http://www.hahabird.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/DSC_9206.jpg

See the semi-circular cutout? I want that at the back of my shelf so I can run the wires perpendicular to the shelf’s length.

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