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Forum topic by Craftsman on the lake posted 10-12-2009 12:05 AM 1873 views 0 times favorited 6 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Craftsman on the lake

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10-12-2009 12:05 AM

Topic tags/keywords: poly filler finishing red oak finishing red oak cabinet finishing varnish

We’ve just completed sanding the fronts and sides of some older oak cabinets. They had a dark stain on them and varnish. All of it has come of. Nothing left but bare wood. What a job!

The owner wants to refinish them natural. Doesn’t care if using water or oil based natural poly. We want to apply wood filler to the grain. The only wood filler I’ve ever used is the thick oil based one I used to apply with a course rag then rub it off completely and let it dry for a long time before varnishing. That was a long time ago. The grain filled and made a smooth even surface for varnishing. This wood filler isn’t much available any longer.

The questions: Water based poly would be fine with us. So, on red oak, for those LJ’s who have experience with this:

1. Am I correct in assuming that the water based wood filler applied before the water based poly will achieve pretty much the same affect?

2. Is this water based product a good way to go? Will we be satisfied with the results?

Thanks in advance.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.


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a1Jim

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#1 posted 10-12-2009 12:14 AM

Hey Dan
I’ve used water base poly over water base filler with out problems. Are you planning on using the filler as a grain filler? If your concerned it would lessen the possibility of the water base poly hurting anything if you spray the poly on in lite coats. If your really concerned you could seal it first with shellac.

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Craftsman on the lake

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#2 posted 10-12-2009 12:21 AM

Yes Jim, as a grain filler. I could use it or not but my memory is that the grain fillers seems to provide a flatter look to the wood when finishing. Red Oak has darker lines in some of the grain that actually seem to look like they need to be filled. I’d entertain any disagreement with this. I figure it will look good either way.

The owner is also lurking, looking at this forum post to help with a decision.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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CharlieM1958

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#3 posted 10-12-2009 12:22 AM

Water based grain filler with oil based poly on top works just fine. Don’t be concerned about mixing the two.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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Craftsman on the lake

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#4 posted 10-12-2009 12:25 AM

thanks Charlie. will water based wood filler do the job just was well?

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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CharlieM1958

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#5 posted 10-12-2009 12:33 AM

I’ve never used the oil based filler, but it sounds pretty similar. I’ve used Behlen’s water-based filler… it’s a thick paste that you sort of squeegee on, then sand the excess when it dries. It works great on walnut, so I assume it would do the job on oak as well.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#6 posted 10-12-2009 01:13 AM

I’ve used ‘Old Masters” stuff for years and absolutely love their stuff. http://www.oldmastrs.com/
Here, take alook and read, real straight forward no bologna or ad hype.

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