Anyone recognize this tree?

Maybe an Ash?

Not an Ash. That’s one of first ones that I investigated.

The leaves would be bilaterally symmetrical if it were an Ash.

-- Gary, East TX -- The longest journey begins with a single step.

Good to hear from you Gary . I’m terrible at guessing The type of trees but I’ll guess Poplar.

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Persimmon?

-- Rob (A) Waxahachie,TX

I’m thinking hickory.

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I have some wood that was given me with the same bark. I looked it up in a tree book that I have. The closest specie was chestnut oak.

Persimmon comes to mind?

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Hickory?

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avocado

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Bark is not right for persimmon. I am not the best at this, there is a forestry forum where they are pros. I will go with black tupelo.

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Not Hickory. The leaves are bilaterally symmetrical on Hickory.

I have been thinking Persimmon, but it’s a pretty big tree and I have never seen any fruit on it.

jeffreythree – Where would that site you mentioned be?

-- Gary, East TX -- The longest journey begins with a single step.

I thought it was a Linden tree at first but the leaves don’t quite match when I checked a reference. Kinda waxy looking like a Magnolia. But, my next stop would be to look through varieties of Elm.

-- Paul, Texas

I never have fruit on my persimmon, but it’s not that big yet, although I did plant it over 10 years ago.. My persimmon though, if I let it, would have tons of off-shoots from the roots, but I keep all those cut back..

This one appears fairly remote (by looks of the vines and such), do you have lots of off shoots in the surrounding 20 feet or so?

-- Rob (A) Waxahachie,TX

I was thinking magnolia too. In my neck of the woods only a few varities grown and they don’t get very big. So it is a guess based on the leaves.

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RobS – This tree is in a forest surrounded by other trees, Sweet Gum, White Oak…
Total ground cover all around it.

I don’t think Magnolia. I have never seen flowers on it, plus it’s too tall and skinny.

Here’s a picture from a distance. The two trees on the right are the ones in question the one on the left is a Sweet Gum.

These are all in my back yard. Both trees are a good 70 feet tall.
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-- Gary, East TX -- The longest journey begins with a single step.

The Laeves arn’t waxy enough for magnolia i know ash has been said but i does look like a europian ash looking at the bark

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GaryK, it is The Forestry Forum . Ask The Forester is where you will usually get the best response for tree i.d. I was not sure about posting links to other forums, some places are a little touchy about it.

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GaryK, no flowers? or seed??

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littlecope – None that I have seen. They may have come and gone before I saw them though.

I have been watching off and on for about 3 years now.

-- Gary, East TX -- The longest journey begins with a single step.

White Ash is my answer, had one on my property in Ohio.

GaryK …
You probably have a broadleaf or deciduous tree that is either a magnolia, persimmon, dogwood, blackgum, water or live Oak. Does the tree turn bright red in the fall? It so …. it might be a blackgum.

Ray

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Leaves resemble avocado… trunk does not…

Ash was my first thought…

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Rats… I was hoping for some catkins or those whirly bird thingys or something…It’s a toughie! Similar to, but not exactly like a few different trees…

-- Mike in Manchester, NH---Unpleasant tasks are simply worthy challenges to improve skills.

The bark, all around girth, height, reminds me of CottonWood? There is alot of it in Central Texas, especially down by the river or creek banks. As I have seen it, first there is alot of HUGE wild native Pecan trees on higher ground, mixed with Bois D’ Arc, Hackberry, and small, srubby, Mesquite and bushes of Chile Tepins, Mustang Grapes everywhere, then big stands of CottonWood as ya get closer to the river, they love water and suck up alot of it, and then wild willow and mocassins on the river banks, yea I like to go fishing for the big cats :)

PS: lots of Poison Ivy :) but I am immune to it by now…Oh and bring some “Off” Deep Woods brand…and extra beer, bait, and ammo:)

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Packman – You mean bright red like this?

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The trees I’m trying to identify are about 30 feet behind the bright red one.

The leaves on Cottonwood trees tend to be serrated.
Not dogwood or any kind of Oak for sure. I know Them.

SawDustnSplinters – Are you telling me you can use immune to poison ivy?
I keep Deep Woods brand “Off” in my truck. Gotta have it when I check my feeders and game cameras.
25% deet!

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Black Cherry?

http://www.cirrusimage.com/tree_black_cherry.htm

-- Paul, Texas

I have seen a tree like this, and was told it was black locust.
i’m no expret though

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I thought maybe Ash but Ash has opposing leaves but my first thought is a Locus. Do you get Locus in Texas? An Abborist I’m not.

-- Chunk

Black Cherry – The leaves look good but the bark is totally wrong.
Locust – The leaves are bilaterally symmetrical.

The closest thing so far seems to be Persimmon.

-- Gary, East TX -- The longest journey begins with a single step.

No way is it persimmon with that bark and you would see green fruit right now, see example:
Here are examples of black tupelo(also called blackgum) leaves:
Leaves in fall:

And black tupelo bark:

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do your local universities have any websites like this?

http://www.fw.vt.edu/dendro/forsite/key/intro.htm

I’ve got no clue, but it’s good to see a post from you. :-)

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Do you have county extension agents there from your agricultural university? If so. take a sample to them, they will know.

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My guess would be mulberry.

-- LAS

It’s similar to Green Ash (Fraxinus texensis) But I dont think it is.

Look for it here. http://texastreeid.tamu.edu/

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It’s not a mulberry. Leaves, bark and growth are all wrong.

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Gary, this site (and that particular ID forum) is full of experts. It’s based in Canada, and I have a hard time recalling anything – tree or plant – that they haven’t immediately identified. They’re incredible. I’ve been using them for everything. I usually get an answer within 10 minutes, and every one so far has been dead on.

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I kept looking at the pictures and saying to myself that I’ve seen this before. Persimmon is seperate male and female trees. The picture that Jeffreythree posted of the bark of a very mature female tree. The bark on the picture that GaryK posted maybe a juvenale male tree. Hackberry looks similar but with blue fruit. It’s not light enough yet to go outside and compare, but I’ll take a look at both in a while.

I’m no arborist, either, but it looks a lot like my English Walnut trees …

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Gary, from Va Tech dendrology site it looks like Blackgum, although it is a little far west according to them.
http://www.cnr.vt.edu/DENDRO/DENDROLOGY/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=60

-- Rich in Richmond

Check out this site Gary.

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does it have a partridge in it?

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http://www.oplin.org/tree/index.html

This site may help

Shingle Oak
Quercus imbricaria

This is the only oak tree in Ohio with smooth, entire leaves, lacking either teeth or notches. The tree grows well in bottomlands and on rich, most slopes, but may be found in varied habitats. Although widely found through Ohio, it seldom is numerous. This is another tree with hard, coarse-grained wood that checks badly during seasoning, hence with limited uses. Its utilization in making shingles during the early days of settlement in Ohio gave this tree its common name.

Shingle Oak Tree
Tree Size height 40’ – 60’ diameter 1’ – 3’

Shingle Oak Bark

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It sure looks like walnut to me Gary, don’t know if they grow there. Same leaves and bark. Male and female are different. One produces nuts, female, male don’t. I think.

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Definitely not walnut. Walnuts have opposite compound leaves, as seen here (black walnut (Juglans nigra) up top, common/Persian/English walnut (Juglans regia) at the bottom). Each of those is considered a single, opposite compound leaf, composed of many leaflets on a rachis attached to the tree by a stem called the petiole. The leaves on GaryK’s tree are all simple, not compound.

I’ve spent the last year studying especially English walnuts, collecting the nuts, husking them and drying them, getting my fingers completely covered in the blackening ‘juglone’ – impervious to almost all solvents (never found one that would remove it) – distilling the leaves for their banana scent (that was a bust, sadly), and even laboring all day at the stove a few times to make walnut ink in a cast iron skillet (helps bind with the juglone for a deeper black), so I’ve gotten their form deeply entrenched in my brain. The leaves are similar to J. regia, though, save especially the simple/composite distinction.

-- Gary, Los Angeles, video game animator

Looks like the Linden family to me…..are there alot of the trees growing in the area? Or just these two? That might mean that they are an import rather then a native….if so you have another list of trees to peruse. Also, have you noticed what type of seeds, flowers (if any)..or how the leaves change in fall?

I enjoy tree identification even though I am not a trained arborist…

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it looks a lot like an Ash tree I have in my yard that has some kind of disease, and it does not look like it should.
also persimmon has male and female trees, the males do not produce fruit.

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Lots of great replies. I want to thank you all for your response(s).

I have logged on to a few of the websites to see if they can help.

Failing that I will look for a local “tree” place to see if they can help.

Thanks again,
Gary

-- Gary, East TX -- The longest journey begins with a single step.

Gary,

When you find out, will you let us know what it is?

Thank you…

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Gary Downy Hawthorn grows in your neck of the woods and has a 1’ dia x about 14’ hieght. It has the same leaves and bark. J

Texas University Botanical tree identification service shows this type of tree as a Texas Persimmon, (distantly related to the American Persimmon), some flower some don’t.

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I believe this tree to be a Blackgum. The seeds are blue in the Spring, then turn red in early Summer, then turn black and fall in late Summer. I am new here and just checked my E-mail and found an E-mail from a friend who thought I could help. I only check my E-mail every few months. I live just north of Big Sandy Texas and have lots of these trees in my horse pasture. I build boat docks, so this lumberjocks thing my be right up my alley.

-- N.E. Texas

Hi Gary,
I’m originally from Louisiana and East Texas. Haven’t we tried to identify this tree once before? Have you confirmed that it isn’t a black gum (tupelo)? I’m still curious, too, to know what it is.

In Georgia that is called a black gum tree.

-- Jessie, Georgia

Gary I am from Ohio, I have plenty of ash, black gum (Tupelo) Oak Walnut, Hickory,Black Cherry , Locust and Elm and it does not fit the bill to any of those. My first thought was Black Gum but the bark does not match and Black gum has a narrower leaf.. What ever it is it would not be found in Ohio for sure. I have a friend in New York that studies trees for a living. I will forward the photos and see what she says.

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Looks like some kind of gum to me.

-- Carl Rast, Pelion, SC

I don’t know what the Black Gums look like in Ohio but I live just down the road from Gary and I have Black Gum in my back yard where the bark and leaf look just like his pictures. I haven’t bothered to figure out how to post pictures here but I have a limb off my Black Gum in my hand and holding it up to my monitor and can not see any difference.

-- N.E. Texas

Rule out the native ashes, locust and hickories – those are not compound leaves in the pictures. The leaves are not serrated so it’s not chestnut oak. It’s not persimmon. It’s out of my native area and may be something I’m not familiar with.

The leaves look like a tupelo (black gum) but the bark is a little suspect. I’m used to the bark on mature black gums and it has a distinctive blocky pattern as seen in pictures 1 and 3 below. The pictures were taken earlier in the season and the leaves don’t show the same wear and tear as Gary’s.

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I found comments on variance in bark appearance of young vs old trees but no good shots of young bark before the blockiness develops.

This site http://pick4.pick.uga.edu/mp/20q?search=Nyssa+sylvatica&guide=Trees has more images than others in my links. They show shots of the leaves in several stages of maturity (some good matches to yours) and shots of buds (pay attention to the leaf scar shape) in various stages.

Take a close look at the twig they cut open at this site http://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=60 and their comment on “diaphragmed pith”. That should be easy to make a match.

BTW – if it turns out to be black gum you are at the limit of its native range: http://plants.usda.gov/java/county?state_name=Texas&statefips=48&symbol=NYSY

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