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HarleySoftailDeuce

273 posts in 1918 days


1657 days ago

Hello all,
I’m about to start my kitchen cabinet doors, (cherry hardwood), and need a bit of advice. Should I use biscuits for the glue up? I know I first have to joint, plane to same thickness and cut oversized length. If anyone who has more detailed info, and or a link to a tutoral, it would help immensely.

-- Paul, Bristol,Rhode Island


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CharlieM1958

15543 posts in 2717 days


#1 posted 1657 days ago

I have a biscuit joiner and I use it for a number of different things. However, I’ve glued up panels with and without biscuits, and I just don’t see any advantage to using them. Your glue joint will be plenty strong enough without them, and they are not a foolproof way to keep your panels perfectly aligned, because your slots can be slightly off or have a little bit of play in them.

My biggest piece of advice for panel glue up is to make sure to use clamping cauls to keep your panel flat.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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dennis mitchell

3994 posts in 2813 days


#2 posted 1657 days ago

No need for biscuits. I glue up my panels then plane them. Alternate the grain, the cup of boards. If you look at the end grain you will see an arch. Have one faced up the next faced down. This should help keep your panels flat.

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HarleySoftailDeuce

273 posts in 1918 days


#3 posted 1657 days ago

Thanks for the help. I will not use biscuits, and be sure to alter the cupping, and use cauls also to keep them flat. I did think about making Shaker flat inserts, but they look so bland.

-- Paul, Bristol,Rhode Island

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Scott Bryan

27251 posts in 2321 days


#4 posted 1657 days ago

Paul, I have to agree with Charlie and Dennis. Early on I used biscuits when gluing up panels but have quit doing so. Modern glues are so strong that with a long grain to long grain bond that you are joining here the glued boards will be stronger than the raw wood itself. So biscuits really do not add any structural strength to the panel. In addition once the glue cures and dries the biscuit can shrink and the void caused by this shrinkage can lead to formation of a dimple in the panel.

-- Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful- Joshua Marine

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rwyoung

369 posts in 1971 days


#5 posted 1657 days ago

FYI, if you do decide to use the biscuits (alignment purposes) AND you are going to bevel the panels, KEEP TRACK OF WHERE THE BISCUITS ARE. Wanna guess how I know that?

-- Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things.

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patron

12837 posts in 1840 days


#6 posted 1657 days ago

no biscuits , the glue is good .
i clip my corners , so they don’t get glued to the
rails and stiles , that way they can move with
the expansion contraction .

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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huff

2721 posts in 1784 days


#7 posted 1657 days ago

Paul, sounds like you got good advice and you’ve taken it to heart. No need for biscuits, a good joint, glued and clamped is good. If your panels are not wider than your planer, then it works great to glue your panels up a little thicker and plane down to the exact thickness afterwards…....if not, just take your time and align as close as possible. Staggering the growth rings is alway the best when doing wider panel. Good luck and keep us posted.

-- John @ http://www.thehuffordfurnituregroup.com

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Rogue

260 posts in 1969 days


#8 posted 1657 days ago

My opinion, biscuits are over rated dude. We make all the doors and raised panels finished ends for all our cab jobs. I have glued up a ton of table tops and have never needed them. I haven’t even been able to justify buying my own biscuit jointer. Glue your panels up over sized and plane them down to final thickness after. Calls should be enough alignment. If they aren’t you might want to look at your planning mathods and stock selection.

-- Rogue

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Demowen

120 posts in 1896 days


#9 posted 1657 days ago

I would always go with biscuits over no biscuits. As long as you have some good apple butter :).... OH were we talking about wooden biscuits?!? Just a glue joint is great.

-- Let the favor of the Lord our God be on us; establish the work of our hands- establish the work of our hands! Psalm 90:17

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