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DocTux

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06-29-2015 04:09 AM

Topic tags/keywords: introduction new guy fng doctux tools

I didn’t see an official spot for this, but I suppose I’d like to introduce myself to the forum. I originally came across the forum from a “starting hand plane set” thread. As the title says, not only am I new to this specific forum, I’m new to woodworking in general. I’m building a very basic fold-down workbench (I’m quite limited on space) right now, and it’s the first true wood working project I’ve ever done. I can’t say I really know where to begin after that, I suppose I might try building a basic box or two, but this is all very new to me. I’ve watched several hundred hours of youtube videos over the last month, and I’m extremely excited to jump into some projects (obviously I have some in mind already). I’ve done quite a bit of construction in the past (worked construction for 8 years); now I’m more interested in fine woodworking and cabinetry. In particular I’m interested in archaic methods and the exclusive use of hand tools. I may re-evaluate that later on after trying my first big project by hand, but at least for the time being that’s what I’m interested in.

All of that is to say, I’ve read through a few posts here on this board and I’d like to test this out as a sort of digital home for my woodworking-ness and maybe see if I couldn’t find some people willing to give me pointers. I’m open to any advice that people can give.

Currently I don’t really own many tools, I own a home-owners style tool chest with some screwdrivers, pliers, a universal saw, some drywall pans and knives (primarily what I’ve done in the past), a makita driver and impact drill combo, and a framing hammer. So, basically none of my tools are useful for what I would like to get into haha

I apologize for that jumble mess there. Thanks very much!

-- Of the three rules of combat medicine, the third is the most important.


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DIYaholic

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#1 posted 06-29-2015 11:34 AM

Welcome to Lumberjocks!!!

Help and advice will be given freely here….
Ya done found yourself THE best woodworking forum.

I’m not a hand tool guy….
Soooo, I can’t offer much advice.

That said, I would suggest deciding upon a first project….
Then purchase/acquire the tools to complete that project.
Then let future projects determine your tool acquisitions….

Welcome, good luck and enjoy your stay….

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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DocTux

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#2 posted 06-29-2015 12:23 PM

Thanks DIY! Fair enough, my first project is to build my workbench. I’ve got a design that I designed in SketchUp, I’ll probably post it later today. I’m not sure if it’s a very good design or not, or if it’ll even be sturdy! I did rather enjoy (and hate) designing it in SketchUp… at first I had a hard time, then I realized I did all my measurements off by exactly 3/4” and had to go back and move everything! Better to have that done on there than with real wood though. I’ll also probably be borrowing some powertools for the sake of building the workbench.

-- Of the three rules of combat medicine, the third is the most important.

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#3 posted 06-29-2015 12:55 PM

I am mainly a power tool woodworker. But, after many years of owning and being disappointed with hardware store hand saws, I finally bought a lee-valley backsaw and surprised with how well it works. The moral of this post, buy high quality tools and you will be happier with the results.

-- "I love it when a plan comes together" John "Hannibal" Smith

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JayT

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#4 posted 06-29-2015 01:06 PM

Welcome to Lumberjocks.

There are several hand tool centric threads on the site that may be of interest and help to you. Many of them are getting pretty long, but don’t feel that you have to read all the posts from the beginning. Start following the new posts and jump in whenever.

Workbench Smackdown Workbenches of all shapes, sizes and ability levels.

Handplanes of Your Dreams The epic handplane thread. All kinds of info and advice available.

Handsaws also have a thread with great advice. There are several LJ members that frequent that thread that started by collecting and using and have worked all the way up to building custom saws. They are a great resource and very willing to help.

There’s also threads for Hand Drills, Chisels, Mallets and even Miter boxes

You may also find the Joys of Rust Hunting and Show the Restoration threads interesting. A lot of hand tools shown, where people found them and inspiration for what can be done to restore them to working condition.

You’ll see a lot of the same people participating in those threads, just because we are the ones most interested in hand tools, but don’t be afraid to jump into any or all of them. All of us were hand tool newbies at some point and are more than willing to help others.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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ChefHDAN

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#5 posted 06-29-2015 01:07 PM

Welcome to LJ Doc, I started with a 9v skill drill and a makita circ saw from my dad, we’ve all got to start somewhere, and thank goodness there’s craigs list now!!!

Crazy good advice and some very sage & savy wood workers here to always be quick with help when you have an “Oh $hit” moment!

-- I've decided 1 mistake is really 2 opportunities to learn.. learn how to fix it... and learn how to not repeat it

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DocTux

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#6 posted 06-29-2015 02:48 PM

WoodNSawdust, thanks for the advice man. I’ll make sure to invest in my toolset.

JayT, wow! Just bookmarked several of those threads and I’m excited to get to reading them. This site is 10 times better than some of the books I’ve been reading (mostly skimming) at a local bookstore. They’re a living book, and that is awesome. I might just read the threads for a while until I have something to actually contribute (or a question to ask). I try not to be too prideful and ask any kind of question that I have, but that’s almost always following a full day of google searching, book reading, and cursing under my breath. I’m already really liking this thread as compared to a couple of the other ones that I’ve purused. The wood colored theme on the page is also very appealing.

Chef, ain’t that the truth. Craigslist is a lifesaver. You’re definitely not kidding, there’s some seriously awesome experience that I’ve found here.

Workshop update: I’m probably not going to build my own bench, I’m kind of on the fence about it at the moment. Mostly I just think it would be awesome to be able to say, “Yeah, I designed and built my bench from scratch” but after reading some of the reviews and minor modifications people made to the harbor freight 60×20 bench, I might be going with that. I will probably be uploading my SketchUp when I get home from work today and see what people think of it and go from there.

-- Of the three rules of combat medicine, the third is the most important.

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BurlyBob

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#7 posted 06-29-2015 02:52 PM

Welcome to this eclectic group of personalities, attitudes and opinions. Stay tune and you will learn much.

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JayT

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#8 posted 06-29-2015 03:34 PM


Workshop update: I m probably not going to build my own bench, I m kind of on the fence about it at the moment. Mostly I just think it would be awesome to be able to say, “Yeah, I designed and built my bench from scratch” but after reading some of the reviews and minor modifications people made to the harbor freight 60×20 bench, I might be going with that. I will probably be uploading my SketchUp when I get home from work today and see what people think of it and go from there.

- DocTux

I’d strongly recommend against the HF bench. Even with minor modifications, I just don’t feel it’s really capable as a hand tool bench. If you have to do major modifications, then you’ll end up with just as much time invested as building from scratch and not as good of a product in the end. It’s totally possible to build a rock solid and functional bench from construction lumber or even plywood for a similar price and you get to practice and improve your skills at the same time.

Paul Sellers has a really good series about building a workbench from box store 2x’s. If you don’t like the English style bench, you can still apply the same principles to other styles.

Here’s some LJ workbench projects that use basic materials for inspiration or to copy. All are far better benches than the HF one.

TerryDowning's English bench

Another Paul Sellers inspired bench by rpd

My $200 Knockdown Workbench based on the Holtzapffel design.

A very ingenious design and pretty easy construction by shipwright. He also has a very detailed build blog linked in the project post.

There’s a ton more good benches on the site built from all kinds of materials, just do a search. No way for me to link them all.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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DocTux

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#9 posted 06-29-2015 05:26 PM

That’s an absolutely valid point, I was looking at how in depth some people’s modifications were and it was a little daunting. My plan has changed a lot over the last month. I have a fairly unusual restriction as an aspiring woodworker.

I would like to be able to take apart and put back together my bench, that’s because I’m extremely temporary pretty much at all times. I do a lot of cross-country moving, on a fairly consistent basis. I know a lot of people glue their benches together, but I’m worried that I’ll either be stuck with a bench whose structural integrity is compromised by the move… else I’ll have to sell (or more likely give-away) the bench when I move. I don’t envy throwing away a bench every couple years! haha

I was originally planning on just making use of a slim bench made from a pallet (learned it from Mitch Peacock), but that seems rather infeasible. Though it is free, so that’s always a plus. Then I was looking at a fold-down benchtop (I have extremely limited space), but none of the designs I was looking at seemed really sturdy enough for planing or really doing much at all other than assembly. So I came upon building a more traditional work bench, and as you said, there’s a wealth of examples of them. I was never very confident in the HF bench, and I’m pretty glad you talked me out of it. It felt too much like settling.

I’ll try skimming through the page, I appreciate all the advice man. It’s really helpful.

-- Of the three rules of combat medicine, the third is the most important.

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DocTux

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#10 posted 06-29-2015 05:38 PM

On another note, Paul Seller’s series is awesome.

-- Of the three rules of combat medicine, the third is the most important.

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JayT

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#11 posted 06-29-2015 07:11 PM

I would like to be able to take apart and put back together my bench, that s because I m extremely temporary pretty much at all times. I do a lot of cross-country moving, on a fairly consistent basis.

That’s a very valid concern. Check out my bench linked above, it comes apart easily just by removing four lag screws and four bolts. I also built an even more portable traveling bench that works pretty well, just that it’s undersized for most furniture projects.

Another very nice knockdown bench is the one that Mosquito built and uses—his has no metal fasteners at all. He did a blog series on the build.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#12 posted 06-29-2015 07:25 PM

JayT is knocking it out of the park on responses. Doc, you’re getting good stuff and there’s not not much to add re: substance. I would say, on build vs. buy, to BUILD. Jump in and try, there’s nothing to be lost in picking up construction-grade material and creating what you think will work. So much to learn by doing vs. study and sketch-up and reading. You’re wanting a hands-on hobby, right? What’s stopping you?

Lots of enabling support here. :-)

And, of course, Welcome!

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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DocTux

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#13 posted 06-29-2015 09:19 PM

Jay, thanks man. I appreciate the help with that, I’m gonna work on your knockdown bench. That was legitimately my biggest concern. Most of the benches I saw were rather permanent. I’ll work it up in sketchup to modify it for my needs (height and stuff) and then I’ll take some pictures when I start working on it.

Smitty, you’re not kidding! I feel like I stumbled on the jackpot of forums. The only two problems I have is I’m on a pretty tight budget and I still need to buy tools as well as materials. That’s actually the main thing stopping me at the moment, my budget for this doesn’t open up until later in the month. haha As soon as it does though, I’m definitely jumping in both feet first. I’ll post pictures win, lose, or draw of the project and how it progresses. Definitely agree with you, I’ve steadily become more excited as it neared purchasing date for my tools and materials… and this site has only fueled that excitement.

-- Of the three rules of combat medicine, the third is the most important.

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