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Forum topic by Stewbot posted 06-23-2015 11:09 PM 833 views 0 times favorited 18 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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06-23-2015 11:09 PM

Hello all,

I unboxed a bandsaw and the upper wheel was very loose. As in you can move the wheel back and forth with about an 1” to 11/2” of play. The two screws were loose in the box that I believe serve to adjust the wheel left and right for allignment. It doesn’t just shift left to right, but north and south as well. Do these two screws also serve to lock this wheel in place? The wheel is also attached through the center with a hex bolt which seems to be on tight enough and I figured most of its rigidity comes from this point of attachment.

It seems odd to me, but I’m not sure, I’m new to shop machines and the shipping process. Does this sound odd to you? Would you expect the wheels to be firmly attached during shipment? The machine showed other signs of shipping damage, so I assumed this was also shipping damage, but I wanted to just check to find out whether this indeed appears to be shipping damage, or if it could just be how the saw was shipped. To my knowledge, I never heard anything about this being normal shipping practices.

Thanks.

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#1 posted 06-23-2015 11:40 PM

Sounds strange to me. I would expect that the screws came loose in shipping. I would document what you have and then contact the manufacturer.

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#2 posted 06-23-2015 11:57 PM

That is not usual for any type of bandsaw I have dealt with. What bandsaw is it?

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#3 posted 06-24-2015 01:11 AM

I have contacted the manufacturer. I really figured it to be abnormal, but just wanted to get some third opinions before jumping to damage conclusions. being that there was other shipping damage, a case has been opened on it. Im just not sure how concerned i should be regarding it. I mean it was very loose, very odd. But im just unsure if popping those loose screws in would basically solve it. The hex screws that were missing did not seem to serve the purpose of retaining rigidity, rather than just fine tuning the wheel alignment. I dont want to put the manufacturer on blast just because its an unresolved case, but i will say im having re-occurring issues mixed with some bad luck and will likely move on in the future.

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#4 posted 06-24-2015 01:21 AM

Send it back… third time is the charm :)

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Brad

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#5 posted 06-24-2015 03:07 AM


Send it back… third time is the charm :)

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Brad

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#6 posted 06-24-2015 03:08 AM



Send it back… third time is the charm :)

Cheers,
Brad

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#7 posted 06-24-2015 03:10 AM


Send it back… third time is the charm :)

Cheers,
Brad

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- Stewbot

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(First time was a mistake, but then I thought I’d go with it.)

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#8 posted 06-24-2015 03:21 AM

Bandsaw wheels don’t adjust left to right (if they do, it’s really screwed up). They do adjust north to south. The tilting of the wheel is how you make the blade track. From your description, I can’t tell whether you are talking about tilt movement, or movement in and out on the wheel axle, or what.

Your saw should come with a complete schematic showing parts, including the hex bolts. See if you can identify those on the schematic. Usually a dotted line will show where the bolts or screws should have gone.

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#9 posted 06-24-2015 03:30 AM

I ask about the saw only to know what I was commenting on since I had no way to know if you ended up with a different saw or one from a different manufacturer after your initial issues. The company, if it is the same, is not one I am interested in, many people have good luck and one can’t argue the relative price nor the value assuming one doesn’t have the issues you had.

I will assume what you have is what are discussing is a cast iron 14” saw which is a clone of the venerable Delta. The screws missing from their holes are not shipping damage unless the tension box was ripped off the saw, it is a manufacturing defect where they were either never installed or were not torques correctly and vibrated out during transport. Based on what I THINK is the issue it can be resolved by refastening the tension box back to the saw.

The tension box sounds like it is just loose and floating and the wheel is still correctly attached to the wheel hinge/axle/wheel combination. The wheel should not move on the axle and the axle should be attached to the wheel hinge which should be attached to the tension box which is attached to the back of the saw. So reattatching the tension box “should” solve the issue.

I would point out that at this point I would consider the torque on every fastener on the saw to be suspect and would not use it until I checked every single one.

Since you are new at this I will point out this is NOT the norm for new woodworking machines. Most will require some setup and alignment time but issues do crop up but rarely two DIFFERENT issues in a row. I just don’t want you to get discouraged.

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#10 posted 06-24-2015 04:39 PM

Scissors,

Yes you are right, my fault. It does predominately move north and south, I think what happened is it moves so much, it seemed to also moved left and right, but most likely doesn’t and I was mistaken, it is predominately north and south.

Huxley,

First I’d like to say thank you for the reply. I appreciate you taking the time to help me understand and troubleshoot what I initially framed as a fairly vague post. As well, for taking note of the connection with my first issue. I now see you have some context to this situation and yes the same model different saw.

I don’t really care that much about not saying the brand, the only reason was that my OP was more so about shipping normality and abnormality. And unsure of the outcome just yet, I was just trying to be civil about the company regarding a situation which has not been resolved, should I not update this thread about any resolutions made. But I understand why you were interested.

I don’t have much time to dive into the saw in the next day or two, after having got it home and unpacked, being that it was “gonna be checked before shipment” I wasn’t expecting those outcomes and then just didn’t feel like messing with it then and there. The other damage was that the motor fan cover was smashed up and severed the screw heads from the screw left inside the cavity. So some Things need to be sorted out still. But anyway, I can update regarding the situation.

At the moment I’m not sure what I’m gonna do about everything, I need to mess with it first and see if I can fix the wheel issue before I move onto the other problem. But thanks again for the replies.

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#11 posted 06-24-2015 06:29 PM

When the blade is installed and adjusted properly, I’ll bet the “loose wheel” problem will solve itself.

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#12 posted 06-24-2015 07:18 PM



When the blade is installed and adjusted properly, I ll bet the “loose wheel” problem will solve itself.

- JoeinGa

Given the fact the OP is new to woodworking machines this COULD be true.

I should have mentioned a bandsaw upper wheel without a blade on WILL move a significant amount. The bottom of the wheel will move toward you since it is on a hinge as I mentioned in the earlier post, this is to facilitate tracking the blade. So I guess it is possible that if their is not a blade on the saw the OP may be confusing this movement with an issue. It used to be the norm for bandsaws to ship with a blade installed however some manufacturers have moved away from this convention but I “thought” this bandsaw still shipped with a blade installed.

To verify whether what I concluded was missing is indeed missing the OP should refer to figures 23 and 24 on page 21 of the manual and let us know if the two fasteners (one on each side of the tension box) are present. They are above and to the left and right of the visible spring on the back of the saw. If those are present and the tension box is secure then it is likely the OP is seeing the normal hinged movement of the upper wheel.

For the OP the link below has pictures of a generic 14” cast bandsaw tension box, note that the wheel axle is connected to a hinge which allows the the wheel to rotate, this plane of rotation allows the top of the upper wheel to move toward and away from you as you face it. The point being the upper wheel is not fixed. I assumed the OP was familiar with this movement and coupled with him identifying missing screws from the area may have caused to to diagnose an issue that doesn’t exist here.

http://www.dontscrapit.com/Kentucky-/Construction-/Band-saw-part-upper-wheel-shaft-hinge-assembly.php5

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#13 posted 06-24-2015 09:40 PM

those two screws (driven in with allen key) that attach through the back of the tensioning box ultimately needed to be secured further with a 10mm nut on the end to lock them in place. The screws were around but not the hex nuts.

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#14 posted 06-24-2015 10:19 PM

Brendan – it is supposed to rock like that with no blade. That is how the tracking is adjusted.

Not sure what the loose bolts are, but the top wheel sits on a pivot block

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#15 posted 06-24-2015 10:36 PM

As I have mentioned the wheel is on a hinge and that movement you showed is the correct plane for the blade to move in, this is for tracking purposes.

This is how I would approach it (well if I didn’t send the saw back and move to a different manufacturer given it is clear they didn’t look over the saw as they “promised”). I would remove the blade and replace and tighten the screws in the back that holds the tension box on. Once that is done I would start from the bottom of the saw and ensure every nut and bolt is tight. Then I would do a full setup on the saw (nothing unusual, this should be done every time a blade is changed, though later on some steps can be skipped). The Snodgrass video on youtube is excellent for this saw (doesn’t work perfectly for larger saws, especially those with uncrowned wheels). My guess when fully assembled and setup the saw will be fine except for the other shipping damage that must be addressed. I think you noted damage to the fan housing. if that is the case you may want to remove it if it is touching the fan until you get a replacement, you don’t want it chewing up the fan itself IF it survived.

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