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Combo Prof

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06-21-2015 01:18 PM

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I am considering moving to a new property that has a 32’ by 40 ’ newer pole barn with a concrete floor and off center drive through. It would have to be shared space and allow winter storage of truck and boat. Shop would not be in use during winters. Summers are mild. Doors are overhead and sliding. Current shop is in a crowded 11’ by 22’ space. My question are
  1. should I do this?
  2. what issues should I consider?
  3. what would I need to do to make it shop ready?

Here is a first draft of a shop layout:

-- Don K, (Houghton, Michigan)


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fuigb

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#1 posted 06-21-2015 01:26 PM

“Pole bar conversion”

Cto, nie piwo? Guvno.

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#2 posted 06-21-2015 01:35 PM



“Pole bar conversion”

Cto, nie piwo? Guvno.

- fuigb

How about pole barn.

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#3 posted 06-21-2015 02:01 PM

I also have a 32×40 pole bar(n). I didn’t use for my shop because I couldn’t figure out a real good (and easy) way to insulate it. Insulation will be needed (probably) regardless of whether you heat or not, in the summer the radiant heat from the roof of mine makes it so hot it wouldn’t be possible to work in there. I suppose I could have the whole thing spray foamed but there aren’t a lot (none I’m aware of) of contractors around me that do that. Couple of other things: the trusses are on 8’ centers, so doing a ceiling would need some more reinforcement. Also (maybe a bigger deal) it actually rains inside my barn if the conditions are just right. I get condensation on the steel roof (which is just laid on purlins) and it steams to the purlins and then drips. So you walk into the barn and see streaks of water on the floor that are directly below each purlin. Mine had some other issues (inadequate electric, etc.) you may not have. Wish you the best with the effort.

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#4 posted 06-21-2015 02:37 PM

I have my shop in a converted pole barn. I framed in between the posts with 2×6’s and then ran my electrical, air, and insulation in those spaces. I then had a drywall crew come in and finish it out. It is probably insulated better than most houses now.

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fuigb

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#5 posted 06-21-2015 03:08 PM


“Pole bar conversion”

Cto, nie piwo? Guvno.

- fuigb

How about pole barn.

- bruc101


[humor] dupajosz [/humor]

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#6 posted 06-21-2015 03:50 PM


“Pole bar conversion”

Cto, nie piwo? Guvno.

- fuigb

Tylko małe piwo dla Ciebie!

“Pole bar conversion”

Cto, nie piwo? Guvno.

- fuigb

How about pole barn.

- bruc101

“Pole bar conversion”

Cto, nie piwo? Guvno.

- fuigb

How about pole barn.

- bruc101

[humor] dupajosz [/humor]

- fuigb

I just should not type without putting on my glasses. Anyway I fixed the typo.

-- Don K, (Houghton, Michigan)

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Combo Prof

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#7 posted 06-21-2015 03:58 PM

Thanks Fred Hargis and Sunstealer73. The current owner does have a small shop in the top half quarter, so perhaps it does not rain inside. I will have to ask. But my thought now is I would simply have to build a large 16’ by 40’ insulated room inside the structure. This may not be so cheap. Would probably need to insulate the roof. Also venting fans for the roof I suppose. I haven’t bought it yet, and will take another look tomorrow before making an offer.

-- Don K, (Houghton, Michigan)

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Boxguy

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#8 posted 06-21-2015 11:25 PM

Don, Here are some ideas to think about.

My shop got warmer in winter and cooler in summer when I installed a hanging ceiling and put insulation above that.

How high are your ceilings? High windows let you have light and still keep valuable wall space. Installing used sliding glass windows sideways works too.

A major expense will be electrical. You should have at least seven 220 outlets. and fourteen 110 outlets plus whatever lighting you want to add.

220: saw, dust collector, belt sander, compressor, band saw, dual drum sander, planer.

Vertical wood storage along the empty wall across the driveway will help.

You will need an out-feed table for your saw. I use two more Craig’s List saws yoked together as an outfeed table. The yoked saws are great for dado set ups. So I can run work through all three saws.

Vertical wood storage…

If you can work in high windows…

Yoked saws…

-- Big Al in IN

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gfadvm

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#9 posted 06-22-2015 12:08 AM

IF you need to insulate it, Sunstealer’s method would be my choice (2×4s will work). As far as the condensation problems (raining in the barn), a ridge cap vent and fan should fix that problem.

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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Combo Prof

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#10 posted 06-22-2015 03:40 AM

Al Yoked saws … interesting idea. Once I have the fuse box replaced with a circuit breaker box I can do the wiring. I only use two 220 circuits now (Dust collector and Big band saw) but planning ahead for 7 is a good idea. For when I upgrade. I’ve kept most of my equipment small as I don’t have the room in the garage shop for bigger stuff that would require 220.

Yes gfadvm I think your right.

I’ll try to remember to take some photos tomorrow for posting of what it looks like, I’ll also take some true measurements. Other issues to work out too. We may decide to keep looking.

-- Don K, (Houghton, Michigan)

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Combo Prof

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#11 posted 06-22-2015 03:45 AM

double post

-- Don K, (Houghton, Michigan)

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#12 posted 06-22-2015 12:08 PM

If you can build a room under the barn I think that’s the best way to do it.
I suggest plastic and plywood on top of the ceiling just in case the barn develops leaks down the road.
I did this for a small room in my pole barn and after insulating it is quite a nice space.

You would save the expense and aggravation of insulating the roof.
If its a metal roof thats a big job plus once again if you ever get a leak you won’t know it.

I would start planning ahead for a separate carport for the boat and truck ;-)

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#13 posted 06-22-2015 02:57 PM

Thanks we are looking at that idea. I hope to add a drive through lean-to on the side as a boat-port Thing is the lake is just a cross the road, maybe I rent some dock space from some one. Behind the property is the Misery river, but shallow at the spot.

-- Don K, (Houghton, Michigan)

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#14 posted 06-22-2015 03:03 PM

My shop back in TN was a 30’ X 40’ pole barn that I poured a concrete floor in. . In the first few pix of my blog you can see the framing of it. I opted for the “insulation” option but shouldn’t have bothered. It was some kind of “layered aluminum sheeting” that they rolled on the rafters before putting on the roofing tin. I used foamboard to insulate the walls and it helped a lot. I lived there 8 years and never did add insulation to the ceiling. I had four 52” Hunter ceiling fans up in the rafters and they moved the air around fine.

Here’s a link ,,, http://lumberjocks.com/JoeinGa/blog/33362
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#15 posted 06-23-2015 01:01 PM

Al Floor to rafters is 9 feet.

Walls are partially finished with a layer of chipboard between the metal sheeting and the posts. The floor is poured concrete. There is electric running to the pole barn, just needs to be upgraded to a circuit breaker box. There is the usual high layer of semitransparent sheeting letting in some light. It has a ridge vent. I was in it yesterday during a rain storm. It did not leak. Its is 30’ by 40’ and not 32’ by 40’ as I reported earlier.

Here are three among several photos the Realtor took.

-- Don K, (Houghton, Michigan)

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