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Forum topic by DKV posted 06-10-2015 01:26 AM 811 views 0 times favorited 22 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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DKV

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06-10-2015 01:26 AM

offered to renegotiate a contract when the contractor under bid the job? I have had many different types of contractors for many jobs. On several occasions when I learned the contract was misbid I offered to change the contract. It’s my feeling that a happy contractor provides a happy well done job. I’ve also had contractors turn down my offer saying it was their fault and they’d stand by the contract. What are your experiences?

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#1 posted 06-10-2015 02:21 PM

OH BOY! Now here is a can of worms. You are right, a happy contractor is a good, but not a necessary thing to have. If they overbid a job and you accept it, do you think that they would lower the price to you if you find out that they over bid it? A happy customer pays on time, gives good references and may have some repeat work for the contractor. I manage projects for my Company and I have had more trouble with contractor under staffing and not meeting progress and completion milestones, rather than price. They tend to over promise and under deliver because they are pretty shitty at scheduling. IMO, if a contractor bids too low…bad on him. If there are hidden costs, then he can try to negotiate a change order with the customer, but the customer is under no obligation to accept it. I will work with people on honest mistakes or hidden and unforeseen issues; but not on misses where the guy just didn’t do his due diligence. General contractors and subs can be whiners when they bid a job too low just to get the work, and then discover that the only way to get right is to cut labor and drag out the job. The best advice I can give is to negotiate a good, fair contract for all up front, sign it, and live by it; good or bad for each party. Everyone needs to go into it with their eyes wide open after doing their homework.

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DKV

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#2 posted 06-10-2015 07:37 PM

With the hundreds of contractors on this site I’m surprised there has been almost zero response. What do you think the reason for that is?

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JoeinGa

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#3 posted 06-10-2015 07:44 PM

They’re all crying in their beer because they underbid their current job?

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#4 posted 06-10-2015 08:09 PM

I worked for my Dad and Uncle who were General’s for years before I went out on my own. I am pretty firm about believing that ANY Contractor that under bids a job is at your good nature mercy but shouldn’t expect anything since it’s his screw up that’s to blame. There’s alot of planning and budgeting when working out bids and I have seen in laws that were too impatient and eager to get the job to plan it out correctly and suffer the consequences. If I bid a job and planned 20 dump runs but managed to get it done in 15 for whatever reason, I wound never return the savings to the customer for the same reason that if in reverse, I would never expect the customer to pay the extra cause I planned it out incorrectly. I bid time, labor, and experience. If I bid it as time and materials, that would fall under a different contract altogether.

-- John

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#5 posted 06-10-2015 08:14 PM

I was an A/V contractor on Residential projects for many years. I stood by every quote, but I was also very careful and used great software to make sure the pricing was good. You have to know your cost.

I did drag labor out at times, but that was more because of all the schedule collapsing, not because we wanted to cut costs. It never cuts cost anyway. Contractor schedules are not easy, you always rely on a group and there are plenty of dominos in that group.

I think construction lacks good superintendents more than anything. Weather, that can mess stuff up badly as well.

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#6 posted 06-10-2015 08:28 PM



With the hundreds of contractors on this site I m surprised there has been almost zero response. What do you think the reason for that is?

- DKV

Probably cause they do know if you’re being serious or not.

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DKV

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#7 posted 06-10-2015 08:39 PM

Alaskaguy, you can’t see my serious face? I put it on right before publishing this thread. I can’t help it if nobody takes the time to look.

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Monte Pittman

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#8 posted 06-10-2015 09:19 PM

I give you credit for being willing to redo the contract. For me, I will eat it if I bid it. Part of my job is properly bidding the project.

-- Mother Nature created it, I just assemble it.

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exelectrician

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#9 posted 06-10-2015 09:28 PM

I always bid with confidence. I never cried uncle if I underbid. I never gave money back if I overbid. I retired ‘comfortable’

I never underbid some fictitious other guy either, when you know what you are doing there is no BS.

-- Love thy neighbour as thyself

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DKV

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#10 posted 06-10-2015 09:33 PM

exelectrician, you bring up another good point…what is comfortable? To you it is one thing, to alaskaguy it may be entirely different and to Donald Trump it is something else. What is comfortable?

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Daruc

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#11 posted 06-10-2015 10:04 PM

How do you know if he’s telling you the truth instead of just trying to beat you down.

I’ve never had a contractor tell me his pricing let alone tell me he screwed up and underbid. My thoughts are shame on him. If I believed him, I might help him out a little on the next job but the price would stay the same for the current job.

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Ghidrah

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#12 posted 06-10-2015 10:08 PM

In remodeling, (roofing siding, adds, trim, int/ext), kits bath, I always have an “unforeseen damages clause” to cover my butt. It doesn’t matter how old the house/structure is, too often there’s rot under cover or faulty previous work, insect damage, etc., etc. One can suspect problems but no home owner wants to hear it, if you price assuming problems it’ll be too high compared to everyone else.

Not that it doesn’t occur, however rare, it more often comes in as cutting errors, (wrong piece), when that occurs the customer never knows about it, they already paid for the piece we screwed up.

In my time there was always too many people in the trade vying for a limited pool of customers. more often than not competitors didn’t have the experience, insurances, licenses to do the work but got it anyway. I lost many projects for a difference of 100 to 200 dollars.

Over 30 yrs in the trade, quite a few of the projects I lost ended in horror shows for the customers, (I used to have a look at the projects I lost to see how they turned out) in all the yrs in the trade only one time did a contractor admit to me he made a mistake and should have used me.

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DKV

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#13 posted 06-10-2015 10:09 PM

Woodust, I can tell honest from dishonest…it’s a knack of mine.

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Daruc

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#14 posted 06-10-2015 10:21 PM

No comment? OK, No comment!

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#15 posted 06-10-2015 10:38 PM

I had a fence put in a few years ago. Upon completion the contractor gave me a bill about $200 (10%) higher than the bid. I challenged him on it and he said it was because it took longer to do than expected, but then said I should pay what I thought was “right”. I paid the extra because I was happy with the final result and even with the increase the price was reasonable.

-- Greg D.

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