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bbasiaga

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05-31-2015 10:50 PM

Hello,

I am looking for a #4 smoothing plane. I am on a somewhat limited budget, so I am looking for perhaps a restored Stanley, or one that is in need of minor restoration (all parts present, etc.). Not sure what the used market looks like for Wood River, but depending on the price would also consider that.

You can post here or PM me if you have anything available. I live in Northwest Indiana and could possibly pick it up if you are nearby, otherwise would need to be shipped.

Thanks,
Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.


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exelectrician

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#1 posted 05-31-2015 10:53 PM

Garage sale, ebay, and antique malls, Craigslist. Get one and start down the slippery slope…......

-- Love thy neighbour as thyself

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bbasiaga

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#2 posted 05-31-2015 11:25 PM

I am in the middle of refurbing a stanley block plane. It is going OK so far. Been looking locally, but no #4 yet.

-Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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Beams37

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#3 posted 05-31-2015 11:28 PM

What are you looking to spend?

-- FNG ... On a quest for knowledge.

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bbasiaga

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#4 posted 06-01-2015 08:28 PM

Going rates vary widely between $20 for one needing restoration, to $80ish for one fully restored and ready to go. At least that is what I can tell from Ebay, this site, and some others. So as usual condition sets the price.

-Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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WayneC

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#5 posted 06-01-2015 08:51 PM

There should be a ton of them in flea markets and antique stores in Indiana. Do you need help as to what to look for?

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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bbasiaga

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#6 posted 06-01-2015 09:06 PM

Any help would be appreciated. My town is considered the antique capital of the region, and I found several planes here. Even bought an old stanley block that I am working on right now. But no one has a #4 smoother at this time. Mainly looking for stanley as I know the brand. But did see a few others out there (not a #4, but other brands of plane). Don’t know much about the ‘other guys’.

I can expand my search some once I get some time off. But one thing I will not find is an already restored one. Maybe an LJ has one to offer…

Thanks,
Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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madts

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#7 posted 06-01-2015 09:34 PM

I have a stanley/Bailey for sail. This plane is in very good shape with a corrugated sole. It has about 80% of the japanning left. This plane has been cleaned and tuned. As far as I can tell all is original. The tote and handle need some finishing, but I decided to leave as is. This picture is before cleaning up.

If interested PM me. I will send updated pic’s.

Madts.

-- Thor and Odin are still the greatest of Gods.

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Ross

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#8 posted 06-13-2015 10:38 AM

I have a restored Stanley Bailey #4 smooth sole plane that I would be willing to part with. Price $45.00 plus shipping.
If you are interested p.m. me and I will message back with pics.

-- "Man Plans and God Laughs"

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bbasiaga

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#9 posted 06-16-2015 08:27 PM

Thanks all. I have found one. With luck in a few months I’ll be adding another size. Will let you all know when I’m back in the market.

Much thanks to the many members who put up with my many questions.

-Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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rwe2156

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#10 posted 06-17-2015 10:15 AM

I stay away from Ebay anything you’re looking for is going to be overpriced IMO.

Why not save up $150 and just get a WR?

In my experience, by the time I bought the plane and paid shipping I had $60-75 in what? Well, I don’t know until I open the box and I guarantee its NEVER like the pictures!

A fully restored plane will set you back at least $100 by the time you pay shipping.

What you often end up with is grandpa’s old plane in need of refurbishing, with maybe even an unusable blade or at the very least an iron that takes hours to flatten. Add a blade upgrade and your spending more than a new WR.

Yes, I do mean to sound discouraging ;-)

The best thing for a fairly new ww’er is to get the very best tools he can to start with so he doesn’t hinder his skill development. Its a huge mistake to get a cheap tool, get frustrated and think its your abilities, when its really the tool (now how do I know that…....)

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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bandit571

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#11 posted 06-17-2015 11:23 AM

Here he goes again

Yep. 75-90% of the planes I get ARE from FeeBay. Not sure where that ”$100” comes from….have NEVER paid more than $40 COUNTING shipping.

Blade up grades? WHY Unless it is heavyly rusted and pitted, there really is no need for an aftermarket blade. Other than a way of showing off?

Rehab a plane or two, that way one LEARNS all there is about the tool they use. Ready to go out of the box is the lazy way to go. Sooner or later, they will have to tune it back to sharp, then what…..buy another high priced object, and sell the one they trashed on Ebay, of course.

BTW: I had a WR#4V3 for over a year’s worth of work…....Just not my style of plane.

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#12 posted 06-17-2015 12:01 PM


Why not save up $150 and just get a WR?

A fully restored plane will set you back at least $100 by the time you pay shipping.

Add a blade upgrade,

Yes, I do mean to sound discouraging

- Robert Engel

Bunch of BS, you’re right Bandit.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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bandit571

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#13 posted 06-17-2015 12:18 PM

Just finished the third of three rehab planes last night. Two were #3 sized, and the third one was a Shelton No. 4.

Took MAYBE a day each. I really doubt if Hock or anyone else makes an iron for a Shelton

And it works very nicely, too.

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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bbasiaga

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#14 posted 06-17-2015 12:24 PM


I stay away from Ebay anything you re looking for is going to be overpriced IMO.

Why not save up $150 and just get a WR?

In my experience, by the time I bought the plane and paid shipping I had $60-75 in what? Well, I don t know until I open the box and I guarantee its NEVER like the pictures!

A fully restored plane will set you back at least $100 by the time you pay shipping.

What you often end up with is grandpa s old plane in need of refurbishing, with maybe even an unusable blade or at the very least an iron that takes hours to flatten. Add a blade upgrade and your spending more than a new WR.

Yes, I do mean to sound discouraging ;-)

The best thing for a fairly new ww er is to get the very best tools he can to start with so he doesn t hinder his skill development. Its a huge mistake to get a cheap tool, get frustrated and think its your abilities, when its really the tool (now how do I know that…....)

- Robert Engel

Robert,

I feel where you are coming from on this. I bought locally and restored to working order a block plane. It was fun and frustrating at the same time but i learned a lot. Most omporimport I learned I dont know what to look for in a used plane to determine how much work it is to redurbish, or if it is a lost cause.

So this time I am putting my faith in the LJ that restored this one. Hopefully it is a good user and I will be $100 or so ahead of having bought a new one.

I looked at the WR planes last time I was at a Woodcraft. They seem very nice. I imagine the Veritas and Lie Nielsens must be gorgeous. I hope these two planes I have can do the job i need them to. Right now I need to save my bucks for something else. Once the wife’s job situation settles down and we get her car situation addressed, i think I will be saving up for a new model plane.

Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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#15 posted 06-17-2015 12:59 PM

Robert, I’m sorry if you got burned on an ebay purchase, but please tone down the vitriol. There are many LJ’s who have successfully purchased vintage planes on ebay and other places, refurbished them and use them in their own shops. The hundreds of projects and thousands of pictures of them in use is more than enough proof.

For many of us, there is a certain allure to vintage planes. For myself, I could afford new WR, LV or LN planes if I wanted them. However, there is something inspirational about vintage planes to me. Knowing that 100 years ago, a craftsman used the same tool makes me want to work harder to try to be worthy of owning it now. Others have similar stories and feelings and choose vintage for their own reasons.

If you prefer new planes, that’s fine, others have posted similar opinions without the tone of disdain. To constantly post about how vintage is a waste of time and money and the person will get screwed over isn’t supported by the evidence. All you are doing is scaring novices away from hand planes altogether. How about we try to get them into woodworking at their own budget and preference instead of spouting what you freely admit is discouragement.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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