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HardWoodHead

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1784 days ago

Like LumberJock member Craftsman on the lake I want a decent scroll saw but can’t justify spending the $ 500.00 plus to get to the real nice machines. Also like him I don’t want to toss out $ 100.00 to get something that is virtually worthless. At any rate here are a couple of machines I have narrowed down to.

The Craftsman appears to be yet another “one off” Sear’s model as I cannot seem to locate much about it. I did, however; find an users’ manual and one person who wrote somewhat of a review and said he would not buy it again although what he cited as problems seemed to me trivial. Perhaps he is justified as the price new was probably a bit more than what I could get the used one at. The link to the only review I found regarding the Craftsman is here http://www.airfieldmodels.com/informationsource/modelbuildingtools/scrollsaws.htm

Used twice-Excellent condition: Craftsman 137-21620020” model with stand $ 150.00
Craftsman craftsman2

Next is the Harbour Freight job. LumberJock member Abbott said he was going to look at one and decide between it and the Hitachi CW40 at Lowe’s. It looks pretty heavy duty and the price is, well its cheap.

New: Central Machinery (Harbour Freight 93012-5VGA) $ 79.99
harbour

If any of you have any experience or heard anything about either of these saws please respond here with your comments or suggestions as to other saws. I have only honed in on these two saws because of my recent search and the fact that I have Scroll Saw Fever. So I welcome any and all input and guidance. I have also looked at the Hitachi CW40 16” at Lowe’s (with stand $ 179.00) and a practically new (used twice) Task Force 16” SS162VHW for $ 60.00 (I think Lowe’s discontinued). Thank you!

-- Dan Benson---Hitchcock, Texas......Got wood?


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MedicKen

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#1 posted 1784 days ago

I would stay away from both. I would look and try to find an older Delta 40-440 and restore it. But thats me. I dont like the newer chiwanese stuff and will not buy another one. Powermatic also has an older model that might be looking at as well. Look at craigslist and be patient, a good one will turn up.

-- My job is to give my kids things to discuss with their therapist....medic20447@gmail.com

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AaronK

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#2 posted 1784 days ago

i just got an older craftsman 20” (the one shown here) for $75 off craigslist. i think something like a scroll saw is a really safe bet used. and the thing is SOLID. it must weigh 150lbs or so with the stand!

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HardWoodHead

34 posts in 1963 days


#3 posted 1784 days ago

MedicKe: Thank you for your input. I have seen some old ones already and thought the same thing but without having some guidance I had no clue as to which of the old ones might be good. I will keep my eye out for those. Look here is a picture of a Delta 40-440. Now that is just toooooooooooo nice!

Below is another I found, an older Craftsman the other day for $ 30.00 that I thought might be good for light duty or a starter but again, I am just not so familiar with all of them.

Craftsman 18” 113.207600 Scroll Saw

Dremel 1671 16” is another old one I found for $ 65.00

-- Dan Benson---Hitchcock, Texas......Got wood?

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Vicki

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#4 posted 1784 days ago

I would be more concerned about the features. I would want quick release/easy blade change and threading. If the Craftsman has that and runs smoothly, I would choose that one. I wouldn’t fool with the HF if you want to do very much scrolling. If you are new to scrolling I would also recommend Flying Dutchman blades from Mike. You can google that easily.
Vicki

-- Vicki on the Eastern Shore of MD

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HardWoodHead

34 posts in 1963 days


#5 posted 1784 days ago

AaronK: Yeah that is nice! I can tell that one is weighty just by looking at it. I am afraid the 20” I am looking at is quite a bit newer and probably not as good. You are in Texas as well?

Here is Aaron’s nice 20” Craftsman. Sweet deal.

-- Dan Benson---Hitchcock, Texas......Got wood?

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HardWoodHead

34 posts in 1963 days


#6 posted 1784 days ago

Hey Vicki,
You are the second person from here that recommended the Flying Dutchman blades. I sure will get some of those. Thanks.

Here is my real machine of choice. You all have probably already seen this out there. Pretty cool.

-- Dan Benson---Hitchcock, Texas......Got wood?

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BTM

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#7 posted 1784 days ago

i have a craftsman similar to the one in your pic… in fact i think it is the same. i replaced the knobs which hold the blade in place with replacement parts off the dewalt saw (same threading; order new from dewalt for cheap) and it makes a WORLD of difference with ease of blade instillation / performance. I like it now for the occasions when i need a scroll saw (occasional marquetry or detail work; i’m not a heavy user).

the big difference in the dewalt knobs is that the tip of the knob, which comes in contact with the blade to clamp it, has a bearing of sorts which prevents the torque that comes from tightening the knob from transferring to the blade. with the craftsman knobs, this torque kinked the blade, causing difficulty in instillation and weakening the blade causing frequent breaks.

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HardWoodHead

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#8 posted 1784 days ago

BTM: You are referring to the one pictured here again below right? Good tips regarding the knobs. This guy selling it said it was labelled ‘professional’, not that that should mean anything but does your’s say that as well? Just trying to compare apples to apples. Of course you could look at the model number on yours I suppose but assuming they are the same do you think $ 150.00 (with stand) is a fair price? It is in excellent condition only used a couple of times.
Here it is again.

-- Dan Benson---Hitchcock, Texas......Got wood?

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AaronK

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#9 posted 1784 days ago

i cant really address the other models, but mine seems solid and easy enough to adjust/replace blades even if it’s not really quick release. there is no light though, and the blower is weak.

i would guess that you have a good deal on that newer one. the “professional” series seems to be much higher acclaimed than the run of the mill craftsman.

i’m in WV, btw :-)

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Craftsman on the lake

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#10 posted 1784 days ago

The hitachi I reviewed awhile back looks like the craftsman you have pictured above. In fact I think it’s only made for hitachi now. Even though the body looks like it, there are some differences like the controls, blade storage and interestingly the blade tightening knob at the back of the top arm is missing. The one I bought is $179 new at Lowes when it’s not on sale. If you were considering the used craftsman, I’d purchase the similar saw new for $30 more with what looks like updates and a warranty.

I also took a look at your link for someone who owns the craftsman and the complaints do seem trivial. The hitachi also has changes from this guys article. i.e. the table doesn’t rust for me, the insert is level and the blade insertion/clamping mechanism seems to be different in mine.
Good luck with your decision. Whatever you do, let us know the results.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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HardWoodHead

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#11 posted 1784 days ago

Craftsman on the lake: Ok thanks. Unless I hear something really scary about the Craftsman I may offer the guy $ 100.00 for it. I am rather taken by it because of the 20” depth, however; if he won’t budge then I will certainly consider the Hitachi 16” CW40 per your review I read. Yesterday after reading your review which I found to be honest and fair, I searched online for more reviews on the model and found several people on one site really trashing the CW40. It makes me wonder if maybe Hitachi had a bad run on the assembly line and these people got a hold of them. It could also be other factors as you well know of and perhaps more attributable to the user’s level of understanding and education as to what the saw is supposed to be and do in relation to how much they paid for it and the kind of work they are doing with the saw. This reminds me that I myself should have mentioned at the beginning of this topic that I will be an occasional user and even at that I don’t envision scrolling on really thick materials too much. Reading your review it would seem you are in the same camp and so your comments carry more weight. Labor Day weekend. Maybe Lowe’s will drop the price on the Hitachi to $ 150.00!

-- Dan Benson---Hitchcock, Texas......Got wood?

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Craftsman on the lake

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#12 posted 1783 days ago

I saw some of those reviews too but it was mostly from people who had a hard time getting the clasps to hold a pinless blade. I was ready to just use pin blades but I find that my old set of pinless hold just fine. And in the scroll work I did for the desk I had to remove and reinstall the blade several times to get all the interior holes done. No slipping blade issues at all. I didn’t see any other big issues in my research. Maybe you found some.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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a1Jim

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#13 posted 1783 days ago

There are a number of things to look for in a good scroll saw but the two things most important in my book is how easily your connect and reconnect the blade and secondly how smoothly it runs. That’s why I think it’s best to see the saw in person before you buy.

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John Gray

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#14 posted 1782 days ago

Watch the pawn shops I picked up a Dremel saw for $35 at my local one.

-- Only the Shadow knows....................

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HardWoodHead

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#15 posted 1782 days ago

John Gray: What is the model number of your Dremel?

-- Dan Benson---Hitchcock, Texas......Got wood?

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