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Forum topic by BeeJay posted 09-04-2009 01:09 PM 1042 views 0 times favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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BeeJay

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09-04-2009 01:09 PM

Hi Guys

Great to have somewhere to talk wood and woodworking. Been addicted for 4 decades now. Had an encounter recently with a thief. He bought a small piece from me for about cost at a garage sale, I think you guys call them yard sales. I went to the markets several weeks later to buy fresh vegetables and fruit and there he was with near exact replicas of the CD unit he got from me at 3 times the value. I asked him what he was up to and the expletives were unbelievable. TAKE CARE, IT DOES HAPPEN.

-- If you try to fail and succeed, what have you done?


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patron

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#1 posted 09-04-2009 01:28 PM

welcome !
thats what i like about LJ’S ,
we give credit , where credit is due !
i like to give my work here ,
those that like it ,make something similar or new with it ,
it’s nice to see where it goes .
on the streets , everyone has been stealing the credit for my work
for years , even though they haven’t done a thing since they
” built ” my job , or didn’t even work with me !
out there , they steal food from your garden ,
here we all water the gardens together ,
and share in the harvest !

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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Damian Penney

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#2 posted 09-04-2009 03:03 PM

I think it’s a bit much to call the guy a thief; he copied your design, but that’s a bit different from stealing from you.

-- I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it. - Pablo Picasso

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miles125

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#3 posted 09-04-2009 03:17 PM

Just consider it flattery. Life is too short and theres too many new things left to design to worry about people like that.

-- "The way to make a small fortune in woodworking- start with a large one"

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kolwdwrkr

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#4 posted 09-04-2009 03:58 PM

Welcome to LJ’s. I think Sam Maloof twitched in his grave over this one. I’m not quite sure I understand what would be so spectacular about your cd rack that you would consider it steeling if someone made something similar or even the same for that matter. People have been using other peoples designs forever. Sam Maloofs chair is a good example, as is the Krenov, Greene and Greene, Stickley, etc designs. That’s just how it works. Post a pic of the cd holder and I’d be surprised if someone doesn’t recognize something similar without ever have seeing yours. My thoughts are that if everyone had the mentality that their project was so good they didn’t want it copied they should patent it, copywrite the drawings, etc, and then hide it from the world. Consider yourself an inspiration to him, make a new design or improve that one, and then go set up shop next to him.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

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huff

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#5 posted 09-05-2009 05:30 AM

well put Kolwdwrkr. I’m flattered if someone likes my work enough to copy it or take the idea and improve on it.

-- John @ http://www.thehuffordfurnituregroup.com

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BeeJay

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#6 posted 09-05-2009 12:17 PM

Yeah, sorry guys. Just read how I wrote that and would probably think the same if I didn’t know the full story. There is considerably more than I told, just wanted to be brief. I am all for sharing but there are some things that just aren’t right. I prefer to buy plans from people when I see something I like and always get permission to replicate someones work and credit the original design wherever possible. Don’t want to mislead people so I’ll leave it out.

-- If you try to fail and succeed, what have you done?

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miles125

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#7 posted 09-05-2009 01:22 PM

BeeJay, its certainly in bad taste and disrespectful to copy someones work exactly, especially when you know the designer and hes available to ask permission from. It really is an issue of respect. At least he could have added his own minimally personal twist to differentiate his in some way. I fully understand how you’d feel slighted over the issue.

For me, woodworking isn’t near as much fun when the design of whats being built isn’t also an expression of the personal creative ideas i have within me.

-- "The way to make a small fortune in woodworking- start with a large one"

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poroskywood

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#8 posted 09-05-2009 01:39 PM

I usually mess up the project so bad it becomes my own unique design. At this point in the modern world I like to think there isn’t to much that hasn’t been done or tried. So we are all copying someone to some degree. Like the dude that invented the Drawer he’s been ripped off a lot.

-- There's many a slip betwixt a cup and a lip.--Scott

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BeeJay

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#9 posted 09-06-2009 12:53 PM

Yeah Right, Many people seem to see the first and miss the last. Read on.
A few items are being prepared that might help some. And they are free. My mate from them the less fortunate certainly appreciate. I am new to this so when time comes, my tips might be benificial to all or some. May GOD judge us on our will not our lack of will.

-- If you try to fail and succeed, what have you done?

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BeeJay

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#10 posted 09-06-2009 12:55 PM

Miles, Thanks mate, thats what I was trying to say, but, being not so bright sometime just couldn’t.

-- If you try to fail and succeed, what have you done?

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Don Butler

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#11 posted 09-06-2009 01:40 PM

There may be nothing so common as the theft of Intellectual Property.

Whether a design may rise to the level of Intellectual Property, however, is another matter.
The item mentioned above, a drawer, could only be consided as such if there was something new, unique and original. A box with handles wouldn’t pass that test today.

Yet, buying something with the intent of copying exactly fails another test, Integrity, even if it isn’t exactly stealing.

One of the things I’m striving for is to make my work difficult to copy and if it is, it would be obvious from whom it was derived.

I hope to get to that point someday, but in the meantime, I copy from no one, and I never work from plans published by others. They intend that we will copy from the plans, but I can’t bring myself to do it.

And if someone does make an exact copy of a work bought from me, given the opportunity, I will shake his/her hand and give my congratulations on a job well done. I think that might be a better reproach than a confrontation!

d

-- No trees were damaged in posting this message, but thousands of electrons were seriously inconvenienced.

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BeeJay

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#12 posted 09-06-2009 02:07 PM

Don, appreciate your comments, and, whilst I subscribe to most of your comments the one point that digs deepest is; Integrety, when begged for a decrease in price due to the inability to carry out the work yourself becomes a profiteering excercise in itself, OUCH. I have had only one respone that questioned the speciality of the item and I appreciate that also. The item was special because of the fact that it appeared to be a single width 25 high rack, yet when opened it held 150 cd’s. The mechanism took me almost 12 months to get right. I only disposed of it because I needed to make 2 larger ones to fit the new entertainment area layout.

But as I said before, I am quite prepared to let it go, if not, I don’t sleep much at night and am just learining this internet stuff.

-- If you try to fail and succeed, what have you done?

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BeeJay

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#13 posted 09-06-2009 02:16 PM

Sorry Don, meant to say in response to your signature. The answer is yes, ask any woman, no show of ever being right.

-- If you try to fail and succeed, what have you done?

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#14 posted 09-06-2009 02:59 PM

thank you , don .
well said .
when i am watching an old movie ,
i find myself noticing such things as the parquet flooring ,
or a door trim or chair , and if i can , will stop the movie ,
and study and admire the work .
at some later date , i may make something and think
that i did something unique , but somehow all of this stored
( subconsciously ) memory has influenced my work .
in this way , i am connected to that unknown builder
or craftsman or artist , and together we move forward .

i am greatfull , for the opportunity to be part of this ,
and like them , if i do something that inspires others ,
then i am content , knowing that the work goes on ,
and perhaps someone , someday , may catch a glimpse ,
of something that i participated in ,
and move it forward again .

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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