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2/3s Workshop garage design Layout and... keep the Misses happy

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Blog entry by steliart posted 02-03-2011 03:59 PM 7010 reads 3 times favorited 14 comments Add to Favorites Watch

My research on the net shows that a typical garage size (although a bit tight on the cars) is 20×20 feet.
We would be lucky if we could have the whole space in our disposal to turn it into a woodworking workshop. Unfortunately this is not the case; there are other things which go into the garage, and the Misses won’t be happy throwing her stuff out or other times the garage is turned into the laundry area. Hmm you do not want to go to work with a stain on your shirt!
So whichever the case is or is used for, I am going to suppose that I got together all my charms and nice behavior, took the misses out to a nice romantic dinner, and with allot of persuasion and promises that she will have plenty of space for her things and everything will be more organized and bla bla bla…
I finally convinced her to let me use 2/3s of the 20×20 feet garage space.

- What about the cars?
- What about them? Its not like we have convertibles, both have rooftops, but my workshop doesn’t have one, Pleaseeeeee.
What a story!!! Shhhhh It’s a lie.
Anyway let’s get serious.

So let’s imagine that your woodworking machines are of medium to small size, but you do have a complete set of all necessary basic equipment, tools and accessories.
No design is ever perfect and especially if it’s a fictional space, with fictional equipment, but never the less I gave it a try to see what fits in such a area.

Off course there will be lots of different ideas and opinions on how to organize better this space, and that’s where you Lumberjocks friends come into play.
Suggest ways to make it better and more organized or even more you can play with your SketchUp by adding, moving or remove things to the original file which I will upload for you and you will be able to download from 3D Warehouse to this LINK.

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=e5642f918c579511d4dd16cb7581cdd8&prevstart=0
So if you want to give it a shot and play this game, lets hear from you and lets have some fun and see what we can do all together.

Steli

-- Stelios L.A. Stavrinides: - I am not so rich to buy cheap tools, but... necessity is the mother of inventions - http://www.steliart.com --



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Cosmicsniper

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#1 posted 02-03-2011 05:31 PM

Yep, that’s my space.

The problem is that MY wife is convinced that she HAS to park in the garage simply because that’s what she’s always done. Yes, we live in DFW, which means that there’s seldom a reason – this week is an exception – to park our cars in the garage, which as you said is really too small to park actual cars IN it.

I think I will insist that her next car will have remote starting on it. Then again, it’s not like the garage keeps her car warm anyway??? I guess it just protects her from the rain (that we get perhaps a dozen days a year).

Baffling.

Anyway…really nice Sketchup. I like the pull-out cabinet for the stationary tools…are those sharpener/grinder, planer, and spindle sander? Curious location for the jointer…I assume it’s on wheels?

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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Cosmicsniper

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#2 posted 02-03-2011 05:38 PM

Oh, a couple of considerations…

I would try to utilize overhead a bit more. I have a wood-rack for my boards above my rolled-back garage door. Doing so would free up the wall above the plywood storage for another cabinet or perhaps a large pegboard.

I did a sketchup of my space (see my workshop) and will be putting my heavy dust producing tools in a center cluster. This will allow me to use the DC in the center to avoid longer runs for more efficiency.

I would also recommend putting some equipment near the garage door…that way you can open the door to use it yet maximize the floor space for other things.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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steliart

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#3 posted 02-03-2011 05:39 PM

Yes, the jointer is on wheels and has good left right clearance. What’s importand is to be lower than your TS table and maybe find some idea to have an outfeed over it as well.

Depending on your garage door overhead is a very good solution to most workshops.

-- Stelios L.A. Stavrinides: - I am not so rich to buy cheap tools, but... necessity is the mother of inventions - http://www.steliart.com --

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#4 posted 02-03-2011 06:41 PM

Cosmicsniper
Good thinking, but let’s look at it a bit more. As I said in IMHO overhead solution is very good, cabinets over the plywood storage and miter saw station, wouldn’t be a bit difficult to rich? Pegboard, you have some on the back unit put if you need more how about over the workbench. DC run is not so long if you want to run from that position or you can have it on casters and move it around.

Seen your design, very good but you have taken all the space to yourself, Misses not very happy with this arrangement. In this approach we used only 2/3s of the space.
Also your jointer is sitting in front of the BS no place for you to stand.
If the TS is also mobile and loose the right unit cabinet it should be just enough space for her to park depending of the size of the car ( now she gets the 2/3s :-), and when you need to work then the car can go out.
Could that work for you?

-- Stelios L.A. Stavrinides: - I am not so rich to buy cheap tools, but... necessity is the mother of inventions - http://www.steliart.com --

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#5 posted 02-03-2011 07:40 PM

this look good , ceep let them come
I have make a Note on my list to buy more coffee and candy ,popcorn , etc.
and moved the good chair to the PC tobe ready to them :-)

I think this idea of spliting the shop is good even though you have all the garage
why ? ....we all know the shop can´t be an only dedicated to woodworking
even if we try very hard (unless you have an exstra room close to it )

there is always the taken care of tools and sharpening of planes and cheisels
and for most people there is all the ceep-honey-children-happy-DIY-things to take care
of too that is dirty , messy and make everything black and greasy
like sharpening ,service the lawnmover , bycicles to fix , washingmaschines and dryers to fix
not to forget all the DIY maschinery with engines every one seems to have
( a real man needs and can only make gardenwork if there is a noisy maschine on the tool
and it better bee bigger and with more crome than the neighbuors ) and make DIY on
the car
if you don´t have the seperat room (garage) to do it in and for the tools you need for it
can be stored there

then is a split workshop a very good idea with a curten as a door between the arias
to prevent sparkles to hit the dust

take care
Dennis

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steliart

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#6 posted 02-03-2011 08:36 PM

Dennis
I am not very sure but if I understood correct, you are asking why did I split the garage?

Well the hypothesis here is that we have a 20×20 garage and we want to set-up a small workshop but also leave space for other things. So we can use only 2/3 of the space.
If you notice in the back wall we have a deep freezer, washing machine, dryer, a sink, small cooker, storage shelves (not for woodworking things), a cabinet, and water heater. Also there is a bike and a lawn machine. So 1/3 of the space is kept for the house needs. The other 2/3 can be converted into a workshop. Also there is possibility as “Cosmicsniper” requested to allow a car to park when not using the space, even though it’s a tight space and depends on the car’s size.

-- Stelios L.A. Stavrinides: - I am not so rich to buy cheap tools, but... necessity is the mother of inventions - http://www.steliart.com --

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#7 posted 02-03-2011 09:24 PM

Steli:

On mine, the planer is mobile. I just put it there on the Sketch-up to get it out of the way – and it’s actually on a smaller DeWalt cart, not the object template I borrowed for the picture. In actuality, I’m only using 1/2 of the space…enough room for the car. When I need to work, I move the car out and roll the planer (and other possible tools) out of the way.

The jointer in my Sketchup is pretty tight against the garage door, facing the door. To use it, you open the garage door. Plenty of room that way without totally blocking that door for access. But the point is, if you have something with large in-feed and out-feeds, it’s not a bad idea to use OUTSIDE space to your advantage.

As far as dust collection, I’m trying to AVOID four things…one, installing runs over the garage doors where I might have future overhead storage…two, spend more money on ducting/fittings than I have to…three, have a bunch of unsightly ducts in my shop…and four, increase efficiency through shorter runs. Honestly, I’m perplexed why more people don’t setup their tools this way in all shops? It just makes sense to me.

I completely understand separating your utility area…that’s what I like most about yours. My utility room is just inside house, so I don’t waste any shop space because of that. I think a flexible center space is nice, but I’d like the standardize the height of all my tables to the height of the tablesaw, which is a perfect work height for me…so I don’t want to put it on casters. So, I’ll just keep other things mobile, and in that way avoid needing to disconnect the DC to the main tools.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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#8 posted 02-03-2011 09:27 PM

No I didn´t ask why :-)
it was the other way round I think its a very good idea and just try´d
to say even if you had all the space it is still a good idea to do it :-)

Dennis

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#9 posted 02-03-2011 09:50 PM

Cosmicsniper

I understand what you say and I agree, what ever works for you it is the best way. I was misled from the photos and sketch.
Here we are searching for possibilities; nothing is realistic because each ones case is different. What I wanted to explore is how much we can do in a so tight space without having the place just for woodworking, and how well we can organize the model we have as an example.

Dennis

Sorry my friend for the misunderstanding. You did had a very good suggestion there using a curtain” that can keep allot of dust and debris going to the other site.

-- Stelios L.A. Stavrinides: - I am not so rich to buy cheap tools, but... necessity is the mother of inventions - http://www.steliart.com --

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swirt

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#10 posted 02-03-2011 10:00 PM

This is interesting, and the models help a lot. My wife would never go for laundry in shop space due to the sawdust. If the laundry had to be there, I would have to build a false ceiling over the laundry to completely box it in…. could allow for lumber storage over the false ceiling.

-- Galootish log blog, http://www.timberframe-tools.com

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#11 posted 02-03-2011 10:26 PM

swirt

Great, so false ceiling used for lumber storage as well.

-- Stelios L.A. Stavrinides: - I am not so rich to buy cheap tools, but... necessity is the mother of inventions - http://www.steliart.com --

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#12 posted 02-04-2011 12:43 AM

I wuold just had said make the wall go to ceiling and added uppercabinets on both sides
but this seems to be better

Dennis

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#13 posted 02-05-2011 07:11 AM

Get rid of the water heater and go with a tankless model you can pick up an extra 4square feet of usable space.
How many people in the house? Consider a stacking washer and dryer unit if the volume of laundry is low.
Consider putting everything on wheels this would include workbenches route power drops from the ceiling on a 5’X5 grid pattern.
This will give you the ultimate flexibility to configure your work environment to fit any number of project possibility.
90 percent of my garage equipment is on wheels with the exception of the gun safe
I have a three car garage with a boat, half a dozen dirt bikes, bicycles along with holiday decorations and keepsakes for a family of 7 needless to say somedays can be a real challenge to make my production space function.
Did I mention the boat is stuffed with summer patio stuff.
I am looking into using the isolated closet that houses my water heater as a space for a dust collector if I can make the tankless unit work safely within code above the dust collector.
If the washer dryer,and freezer stay consider building portable work cap surfaces to place over the appliances, a drop in over the laundry sink to fit up the miter saw turns that whole wall into a nice work space to feed the miter saw.
Keep as much of your tool storage in low rolling cabinets all with consistent elevation and your work space lighting will be more efficient.

-- Joe

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#14 posted 02-05-2011 08:49 AM

mrjoeg
The whole exercise of this set-up is to use only 2/3 of the space because the other 1/3 is been used for i.e. laundry. Unfortunately we cannot touch the back site, and the appliances there is an indication of what could have been in that area.
Almost everything is on casters, very good observation. Personally IMHO I would prefer the workbench without wheels, but that’s me. Hanging power drops will give you allot of flexibility, nice one.

-- Stelios L.A. Stavrinides: - I am not so rich to buy cheap tools, but... necessity is the mother of inventions - http://www.steliart.com --

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