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Blog entry by stefang posted 05-26-2016 07:42 PM 853 reads 0 times favorited 18 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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Big glue-up decision
My last blog in this series left off after chiseling the datos for the bottom of my very tall ‘bucket’. The next step was a dry clamping before glue-up, and then I had to decide if I could do it all in one go.

Application of the glue went so fast on the first half that I decided there would be enough time to do both halves before the glue set, so I went with the all-in-one-go approach.

The two glued halves were placed on the bottom and band clamps were placed at the top and bottom ends. This left a pretty good gap in the middle where the halves went together, but the top and bottom joints were all tight so it seemed that if enough clamps were used between the top and the bottom that the whole thing would pull together ok. As you can see it did come together as hoped, but it was necessary to use quite a bit of pressure to get it done. See Below

Band clamp tip
If you use the cargo strap clamps as I have done, the best type would have a length of strap without a hook at the end permanently attached to the ratchet. That will allow a smooth band all the way around providing it is long enough. That way you won’t need to hook them together and use the long loose band as I had to do on a couple of them, which can dent your container. Of course you can put some kind of pad under the hooks which might help, but it would be clumsy if you had to adjust the bands position after getting it in place.

Time heals all
That big gap kept me a bit worried that the container would explode when I took off the clamps so I let the glue dry for 48 hours. I’m not sure the extra time made that big a difference, but a cautious approach seemed like a good idea.

I needn’t have worried. Everything looked good when the clamps were removed. A little glue residue here and there, but no big problems. I did manage to get the worst squeeze-out from the inside down to arms length with a scraper, but no way to get it all. A good thing to think about if you make something tall like this and it has to be nice inside. Luckily mine doesn’t have to be. See Below

Some thoughts about using the table saw cove method
The table saw cove method is pretty good and saves a whole lot of hand planing, but it is pretty dusty and not easy to collect.

If you are making a round container like this you need to match the cove profile with your blade and depending on the size of your saw blade you might have to use more or less staves, which requires also adjusting their width which in turn may require more or less staves. Of course the angle of approach also plays a role in matching your blade to the desire profile.

This was a ‘rough’ project, but if I were doing something nice I would scrape and/or sand out the coves to smooth any rough spots left by the saw blade. When cutting the angled edges I would probably cut outside the line a little and then hand plane or run the edges in the jointer to smooth them down to final dimension to insure perfect glue joints.

If your container like mine is too long for outside rounding on a lathe, you can hand plane the outside to round. However, unless you have the grain on all the staves glued-up in the same direction you will get a lot of tear-out on one of the two staves being planed at the glue joints. The grain also sometimes reverses on a single board further complicating matters. The best idea is to round the boards individually before glue-up. A profile of the outside curve is useful to keep track of planing progress and final accuracy.

I asked my son if he wanted to have wheels mounted so the container would be easy to move and he said no, but I left the bottom high enough to allow for some small wheels that I have on hand in case he should want them later.

I have since delivered the container to my son and he sent me a photo of it in place. See Below

Thanks much for reading. I’m glad to answer any questions you might have.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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Jim Jakosh

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#1 posted 05-26-2016 08:55 PM

Very nice , Mike It looks to be about 36” high?? That would be a challenge to bore on the lathe, but to turn the outside would be good with a plug in the open end with a center in it.
it would make a nice drum!!


-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#2 posted 05-26-2016 09:14 PM

Well done sir.
Nice looking project.


-- -- I'm no rocket surgeon

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#3 posted 05-26-2016 09:42 PM

Well Mike,
I woud have to consider it a “thing of beauty” maybe I am slightly biased having gone through the process a couple of times myself. Mind you I would also have to say a yes definately if asked would I do it again.

The banding securing is a bit of a dielema first up, and I learned from Big Al how to prep the bands first, again something I learned later!
He has a video on doing the modifications it if you are interested.

I also found you could use the following items sucessfully as well:-
1. Shrink wrap
2. Electrical tape
3. Shock cord
to secure the staves, however nothing works a well as the ratchet clamps in closing everything up real tight

My drum ended up on the kerbside clean up not because it was rubbish but more of the been there done that!
Somebody took it away and used it!

I am pleased yours will go to your son and be well received!

-- Regards Robert

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#4 posted 05-26-2016 10:59 PM

Love the way different projects we get to see on here, it help to expose us to new way of doing thing and puts things in the back of our minds that can come in handy down the road.

-- There's a hundred ways to do anything, alot depends on the tools at hand.

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#5 posted 05-27-2016 03:03 AM

Glad you got the gap closed Mike. I bet there was a lot of pressure on it. I honestly would say it does look like a leg for something. But it’s a heck of a tall waste basket. Good to see you trying new things.

-- Dave, Downers Grove, Il. -------- When you run out of ideas, start building your dreams.

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#6 posted 05-27-2016 08:08 AM

Well done Mike. I wouldn’t of had a clue where to start with something like that, but you made it look easy.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: "If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it."

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#7 posted 05-27-2016 10:45 AM

Thanks for the positive comments guys.

Jim It is a little over 39” tall.

Rob Yes, the ratchet bands are really the best because of the tremendous amount of pressure they can exert. A twisted rope is probably 2nd best compared to other methods. Great that your disappointment turned out to be someone else’s delight. And yes, I would be interested in the seeing the video you mentioned. Can you send me a link?

Dave Yes, it is kinda weird. My son’s bicycle shop is a small room (more of a closet) adjacent to his office and with so little space he didn’t want anything too big. I doubt he will use it’s waste container capacity. He will probably just put a plastic shopping bag liner in the top and use that for the little waste he generates, so yes, it is mainly a leg for his bench. The other front edge of the bench is supported by a block attached the wall at the end.

Added to the blog later
I asked my son if he wanted to have wheels mounted so the container would be easy to move and he said no, but I left the bottom high enough to allow for some small wheels that I have on hand in case he should want them later.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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#8 posted 05-27-2016 12:07 PM

Good work Mike

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Keep your dust collector fed.

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#9 posted 05-27-2016 02:22 PM

I have been following along and I must say it turned out great .
I still have a staved pail on my list but the right paw of mine is on leave at the moment so nothing gets done .


-- Kiefer

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#10 posted 05-27-2016 02:57 PM

Looks good from here….......(-:

This is not on my short list of projects to do, but not out of the question. The next project for me is to build a raised bed outside for Sherie’s annual attempt to grow things that can’t be grown in Anchorage, and she verifies the limits every year…........(-:

It is amazing how strong glue really is. The longer I am in this hobby, the fewer screws and nails I use. I do use nails as a substitute for clamping in rough and ready work….......

Thanks for the great blog…......

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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#11 posted 05-28-2016 08:14 AM

Mike, very sorry !! I have mislead you, its LJ member Boxguy, Big Al and he has made a very detailed pictorial blog not a video as I had indicated.
The blog is titled:-
Boxland: Work Stations and Boxing Tips #6: Making Great $5 Band Clamps!

-- Regards Robert

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#12 posted 06-08-2016 02:46 PM

Really nice work Mike,
Next up is a outdoor bath tub…
Best thoughts,

-- MAD F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#13 posted 06-08-2016 04:10 PM

Thanks Mads. It was meant to be a very quick and dirty project, but gardening got in the way and my decision to round the inside with my tablesaw led to a lot of mess and extra work when I could have just beveled the edges and glued it up. I had been thinking about a new bucket blog, but I wasn’t sure if I could handle all the hand planing again and that’s why I wanted to try the tablesaw cove method. It did really work well even though it wasn’t perfect, so I don’t regret the extra work.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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#14 posted 06-08-2016 10:23 PM


-- MAD F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#15 posted 06-25-2016 03:11 PM

Fine Work and enjoyable Read(s) Michael!
Sorry for the tardiness in commenting,
catching up on a little backlog of E-mails here… :)

-- Mike in Concord, NH---Unpleasant tasks are simply worthy challenges to improve skills.

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