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Blog entry by stefang posted 05-14-2013 08:35 PM 1191 reads 0 times favorited 6 comments Add to Favorites Watch

New scraper plane
I have been wanting a scraper plane for a long time. I’m tired of the heat and stress on my old hands caused by regular card scrapers. I didn’t want to spend a fortune, so I opted for a #80. It’s based on the Stanley plane of the same no. It’s made by Kunz, a German company. Here are a couple of photos. It’s a nicely made plane for it’s price, and I hope I can learn to love the green color. It’s very nicely finished in epoxy. Nothing slipshod at all. Now I just have to find out the sharpening angle (I think it’s 45 deg.) on the net. Please let me know if you have any sharpening and or proper use tips for me on this. I know there are lot’s of #80 users out there.


Other planes I plan to buy
Kunz has a couple of other planes I want really bad. A no.4 smoother and a no.5 Jack. I wanted to show them to you as they seem like e a nice alternative to a Lie-Nielsen for example.


These planes are made from annealed car iron, Norris type adjuster on top which takes care of all adjustment and the irons are over 1/8” thick and 2” wide made from 62 HRC. The paint is epoxy like on the scraper plane. I can’t wait to get these, but I have to wait until next Christmas for these. I have been buying my stuff from Dictum in Germany. They have great products including Lie-Nielsen and Veritas, but I think the Kunz planes are the best value. I will try to do a review when I eventually get them. I just thought you might find it interesting to see something other than what is on offer where you live. I’ve never been disappointed with any product from this country. Not sure how the freight would be to the USA or Canada, so that might be a make or break factor if you consider buying anything from them here.

I would appreciate any comments on the Norris type adjusters if you have any experience with them.

I don’t own any Dictum stock, just thought you might like to see alternatives to what you have available in the US or Canada. Thanks for reading.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.



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Tim

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#1 posted 05-15-2013 12:23 AM

duplicate post.

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#2 posted 05-15-2013 02:50 AM

Mike:

I purchased a WR #80 when they were on sale. Out of the box it was basically crap, the machine marks on the sole and the blade were deep and it took a while to tune up. For the price I guess you get what you pay for.

Once it was tuned, it worked fine. I wish they used wing nuts instead of regular nuts that need a wrench. That aside, I tried the 45 degree side of the iron and found it was not satisfactory. So I flattened the square side and treated it just like one of my card scrapers. Flat and polished on the sides and edge. I rounded the corners very slightly to avoid a corner digging into the wood.

Clamp up the iron, rub a little 3&1 oil on the burnisher and bring up a nice burr just like a card scraper. Mount it up and you should get some nice fine shavings. Flip the iron around and use the other side to scrape glue on panels after glue up.

Hope the Kunz is better quality, I am looking at their spoke shaves.

-- Mike.... West Virginia. "Man is a tool using animal. Without tools he is nothing, with tools he is all.". T Carlyle

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#3 posted 05-15-2013 03:37 AM

I’ve always read that 45 degrees is the proper. So I filed one on an #80 blade and then turned a burr, except I must have turned a pretty big one because all it would do is dig into a board. I think the trick is to use light pressure when turning the burr, lighter than for a card scraper. The second try worked much better.

-- God is great, wood is good. Let us thank Him for wood......and old hand tools.

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#4 posted 05-15-2013 08:37 AM

Mike and David I understand that you can just as well use a 30deg bevel if you want, I plan to try the 45deg. first because I think it will be a bit stronger and more economical too. The link I found said that the burr should be pretty fine. A large burr changes the cutting angle.

Tim Kunz has two lines. One more economical and the other high end. They have been marketing some of their lower end ones in the states. This scraper plane is also part of the lower end. They are less expensive but well made, and as you say a good value.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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#5 posted 05-15-2013 03:09 PM

I have a Stanley #4 smoothing plane with a Norris type adjuster. I have used this plane for close to 2 years and it works good as any other plane. The Norris adjuster takes a little more time to set correctly because every time you adjust the blade depth you will slightly tip the blade one way.

-- Julian

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stefang

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#6 posted 05-15-2013 04:23 PM

Thanks Julian, just the kind of info I needed. Maybe this type adjuster isn’t so great after all.

BTW I ordered a triangular burnisher today. In the past I’ve always used one of my HSS miniature turning gouges as a burnisher on my card scrapers. I found out that the triangle shaped burnishers have 3 different widths on each triangle side. The smaller the width, the larger the burr. This seems like a good idea to me which will give me more control on the size of the burr. This is probably common knowledge to many, but all new to me.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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