What is the most irritating aspect of working in your shop?

Cutoffs…..we all have them, I end up burning them. I struggle with chips from the planer in my basement shop without a DC.

-- Tim: Remember, if it doesn't say Binford, someone else made it.

I don’t have near enough space when working on larger projects. No room to do the assembly properly and store the piece are I am milling pieces. Also no room to finish pieces when I spray them.

Another thing that I struggle wiht is room to do glue-ups. Once I have stuff in the clamps I can’t do much more because I put plastic over my table saw and outfeed table to do the glue ups.

-- We are the people our parents warned us about.

1) It’s my garage
2) Not enough circuits. There is 1 220 outlet, so hopefully if/when I get a decent dust collector I’ll be able to use that without needing a new line. The downside is it’s on a far wall from where I currently have my tools, so I don’t think I could roll the DC around much. I’d probably have to get one of those long flex hoses from Rockler in order to move the DC from tool to tool.

I hear ya on the subject of “cut offs”. Like you I throw them in a bin, until needed…then the bin gets dumped out on the floor to select just the right ones…then back into the bin.. There must be an easier way.

However, for me the big problem of late: since taking up turning, what to do with the shavings. After turning a mid to large bowl, the floor is covered. I don’t have a fire place, so I just sweep them up and bag them for the garbage. I guess some could be used in the garden, and compost heap, but man there is a lot of shavings !!!! But on the other hand; “a blind man would be glad to see them….”

-- Brian's Table Top Toys http://home.mountaincable.net/~bgraham/

Not enough space ! 10,000 sq ft would work for me ! :)

-- John in Belgrave ,(Slideshow ) http://cid-69bce320c6d8b119.skydrive.live.com/play.aspx/Extreme%20Birdhouses/P1030026.JPG?ref=2 (Website) http://www.extremebirdhouse.com

Now that I’ve installed more outlets and circuits in the garage, my biggest complaint is having a fold away shop. I just want to get in and start working, but first I have to move the cars out of the garage and set up the tools when I want to work. I wish I had a dedicated shop. Also, the noise in such a small area can be a little much, even with ear protection but I’m working on ways to dampen the noise.

John, 10,000 sq.ft.? I thought that was the size of your last bird house. lol. “cut offs”!. I have the same problem. I do try to keep my small cut offs of exotic and figured pieces in a seperate place. The rest I collect for a while and then usually end up either giving a bunch away or throwing away. I have a friend that is in the furniture restoration business and I give him a lot of cutt offs for his repair work etc.

-- John @ Myrtle Beach

Stirred up filth and dust is the number one problem for me .Cutoffs behind the table saw is number two . I recently added another saw and planer at the entrance to the shop to try and keep most of the trim where it would be easy to get at it and dispose of it . This has resulted in blocking any entry to the shop at all ! A bigger shop – absolutely !!!

-- rob

For all of you LJ’s with to many shavings, buy your grandchild or son or daughter a geinuie (sp?) pig. They poop like crazy. You’ll have to plane 30 board feet a week to keep up with the little critters. I think that equalls about 4 large bowls for you turning guys lol

bob

-- Bob Kenosha Wi.

Space & cut-offs.

Two years ago, I moved into a smaller shop…about 1/3 of the size of my previous shop. It has worked OK, as long as I am working on one or two smaller projects, but I seem to be getting an increasingly steady stream of custom projects and am flat finding it hard to make enough space to keep things organized. As a result I am starting a sketchup for next summer’s adventure… a bigger shop out in the pasture.

I can at least plan…maybe the budget will allow it. :-)

Leaking air hose couplers drive me crazy.
I’m constantly trying to find good ones that don’t leak after a month.

I use a different bucket for each variety for my cutoffs. It’s still hard to find what you need but at least you’re looking in the right zip code.

-- Roy L, Arizona

I’m with Jimi_C, partly.

When we built our house, I was warned to make sure to get LOTS of electric in the garage.

I did. Tons of it.

Of course, my shop is in my unfinished basement, where there’s only ONE outlet (D’OH!).

My fluorescent fixtures run OFF OF adaptors screwed into the incandescent overhead fixtures, and EVERYTHING ELSE runs off of a web of power strips hooked into a single outlet. I only run one machine at a time, so I’ve never tripped a breaker, but ….

Now, I’m going to try to add in my HF DC and my Grizzly bandsaw???

Ohhhhhh boy, do I need some electrical.

The rest? So far … I can deal….

Good question, Mike!

-- -- Neil

For cut offs try a tall cubicle cabinet (12” sqr’s) that is as wide as you have room for. With all those little cubes/stacked boxes you can sort by kind or size of wood and it works great and looks great.

-- Never board, always knotty, lots of growth rings

Kindlingmaker,
In my book you get an A+ for a great solution to my main complaint, cutoffs. Now if only I had the wall space. Gonna tear down an old built in bench and put my little power tools on mobile bases and multiuse cabinets. Then I might have the space. Or get rid of that cabinet of useless books…........20 years old, almost all unusable.

Great question Mike.

Nbeener,
I fear there is an electrician soon to appear in your life…...........
You might price out a subpanel installed, it might not be as bad as you think. I notice a lot of walls that are plain concrete. With some studs you would have a lot of places for wiring.

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

Jim: Couldn’t agree more.

Already have his name, and am trying to schedule something with him.

While I studied Electrical Engineering back in school … I never used it. I try to avoid electrical and plumbing, when I can ;-)

-- -- Neil

My shop, 2-car garage is about 500sq. feet, one wall is basically the garage door plus there are 2 entrance doors and an upright freezer, I need more wall space and of course a bigger shop. I was led to believe that our lot was bigger than it turned out to be when we purchased the house and was planning a new 25’x35’ but alas no room for it. I store my wood on shelves on one wall so that takes care of that. MORE WALLS and MORE ROOM.

-- Only the Shadow knows....................

Dust

-- Gary, East TX -- The longest journey begins with a single step.

my shop is several miles away – if it were in my back yard i’d be in there 24/7

-- -erik & christy-

Not enough natural light.

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darn good question i like tha fact that if u have a problem with doing something one way someone gives u advice on doing it another, my biggest problem is not haveing enough money, and time. in the days of the week i have to work and i work with all the same tools in my shop as i do at work plus clean up so its like i do it once then again if i go in my shop. as for money we all know how that goes, like water down the drain my checks are sometimes spent before i get them then i only make about $200 a week so i have to try and streatch it as much as posible so thats why if u see my projects most are reclaimed wood from pallets at my job cuz im the one who has to cut them up for my manager to have heat at his house cuz he has a fire place so i get to pick what i want but i have to pull nails and i dont know if u ever tried to pull a nail from a pallet but there like locked in or something so they dont come out but some still do another thing is i get all the acrylic i want and acrylic furniture that came back with defects from mailing them to people but these are my two biggest gripes so if anyone has a way to help me fix them cool. also another one space but i can only deal with it i cant build to make a bigger space but my landlord is letting me have her side of the cellar so thats cool i’ll have a little more space to work but i have to go through a little door to get to the otherside but its all good that will be my finnish room. but thanks again for reading my gripe/rant.

-- Ike, Big Daddies Woodshop,www.icombadaniels@yahoo.com

It’s enlightening for me to see that the three most common threads running through this blog are my most irritating problems; shop size, electrification and cutoffs.

-- Many things in this life can be taken from you. Your integrity is not one of them. It's yours until you give it up... Steve, Bakersfield, CA

Sanding, floor space, sanding

-- Jim from Heirloom Woodshop Southern Oregon

I have a “one at a time project” sized shop.
Problem is I have usually about 5 on the go at any given time.
What’s that about? <g>

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

With the different jobs I do, there is just no more space left to work..
I’ve just finnished with the wing back rocker chairs as a R/D project.. There are so many pieces to the chair as parts for other chairs…. So they sit on a table waiting for me to do more chairs…
Then I get busy with a custom table for an architect.. Everything is now on hold while I work on the table…
Then I have to make wrought iron balustrades for another customer in all of what i’m doing….
Some days I find that i’m concentrating more on getting around this self inflicted obstacle course than getting any actual work done. I try and mantain a certian amount of neatness and not hoard.. But man does it catch up and bite you in the a##.
Less clutter and More undercover space for me…
How do you get rid of all the crap you collect over the years…. ??? Murphy’s law; No matter how long you have kept something, ... The moment you get rid of it,
two days later you need it!

-- "Even small steps makes a distance." (Shawn Phillips, musician)

Space of course is a big issue. My “shop” is about 36×36, but with the motorcycles, snowmobiles, lawnmowers, mechanics tools, splitter, etc. I only have about a 6×10’ area to do stuff … which is currently occupied by the radial arm saw I recently picked up.

Cut-offs … I have a LOT of shelf space for bit & pieces. The rest get burned in the patio fireplace.

Sawdust & shavings I guess are the biggest problem for me. Since I use reclaimed wood for everything, there’s a lot of cutting & planing just to get the material in a “usable” state.

bigike: here’s how I deal with the pallet nails; http://lumberjocks.com/topics/7647

-- Dragonsrite, Minnesota

Nbeener:
And funny, they don’t teach you household wiring in Electrical Engineering, do they. All that theoretical crap. Started out majoring in physics myself, but learned wiring by doing it, especially in Alaska, where there are never electricians and plumbers when you really need them. But I draw the line at installing panels. Breakers, that’s OK. But panels…....leave to the experts. Remember the 220 outlets if they are going to wire for you. They won’t think of it, probably.

notottoman: amen to Murphy’s law

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

Another thing thing that really irritates me is that if I am leaving any tools on bench tops when I am hot at work on a project, it seems that, due to my rather compact workshop to tool ratio, every time I turn around, I am knocking something off the bench. I’ve been thinking about taking ballet lessons to solve this problem, but I haven’t been able to find any leotards in my size yet.

I also thought about using the shavings and sawdust for animals, but I’m not so sure the waste from tropical hardwoods or other hardwoods would agree with them. As we learned recently, walnut for example is not good to have around horses.

-- Mike, American in Norway

Well guys, I have to tell you. I have absolutely NO problems in my shop. My shop is 2,000 sq. ft., has 16- 8’ T8 double bulbs, 72 wall outlets, plus 4- 220 plugs. I have central heat and air, plenty of floor space to work to move things around, 5 work benches, , two saws back to back, a 4×8 assembly table, a small assembly table, JDS air cleaner, a seperate room for my dc. and Inger-Sall Rand air compressor( it’s 8×10), a pot to pee in and a window throw it out of, a coffee maker, and a small frig for cold drinks. What else could I possibly want. I have no neighbors to hastle with, and my wife leaves me alone. I burn nearly all my off-cuts , scatter the chips in my woods, and call it good. Buddy—- I’m in heaven !!!!!!! lol lol.

-- Remember--- one good turn-- gets most of the blanket!!!!

I volunteer to form a mob to jeer and stone Rick Dennington, all in favor, raise your mouse…..........(-:

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

I’ve got a 25×25 shop that’s only used as a shop so it’s pretty much large enough. It has lots of light, AC, heat, plugs, and music. I wish I had more wood, especially sheet goods storage and even though I’ve got a 1hp delta dust system (not the most powerful but it’s what I’ve got). I alway seem to have to do some sweeping/cleaning after a project. I want a shop that will do 95% of the shavings/dust.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful. http://web.me.com/deceiver6/Deceiver/Craftsman_on_the_lake/Craftsman_on_the_lake.html

Well Rick, I took a look at your shop and it is everything you say it is. I had to wipe the drool off my computer screen several times while I was viewing it. I am really looking forward to your first project post.

Craftsman on the lake, I know how you feel. Dust especially is a huge problem for so many of us. I would like to have a better dust system, but installing the piping and coupling and disrupting my whole shop plan not to mention the cost discourages me from improving my situation. I do try to vacuum and sweep frequently while working so I can work in relatively clean surroundings and enjoy walking into a clean and orderly shop, but that doesn’t really solve the health problems. I considered buying one of those Airshield helmets with a built in battery driven fan, but decided it wouldn’t be very comfortable and it was also very expensive. Almost $1,000 here in Norway.

-- Mike, American in Norway

I’ll add my to cents Rick You have a great looking shop but it looks like you wasted half of your space as a garage
LOL

-- Jim from Heirloom Woodshop Southern Oregon

Nbeener: funny for a while I was doubling in Computer Science/Computer Engineering, which is basically EE with a computer focus. Definitely nothing but theory Jim B :)

stefang: Thanks for the comments on my shop. Seriously, I really do like my workspace. I built it about 7 years ago when we bought our home here in Arkansas. I was going to build a 50×60, but I have a huge oak tree(probably300-400 years old) that was in the way. Didn’t want to cut it down, so it’s 40×50.
Being retired military affords me lots of time to work in there. I”ve made lots of projects, and although I do have a good air cleaner and d.c., I still have to contend with dust, like everyone. I’m a stickler for a clean shop, and after each project, I clean it thourghly for the next one. I hate clutter and sawdust on the floor. Once the job is done, I get it ready for the next one.

a1Jim: I’m not sure I understand your comment. My shop is a stand-alone, and I have a 3 car garage! I could park my truck in my shop if I needed to. lol.

-- Remember--- one good turn-- gets most of the blanket!!!!

Cutoffs are easy in my shop….I throw them in the woodstove. Space though…I always wish I had more….thankfully, most of my machines are on wheels and I can move them around to suit me…....

One complaint has to be lack of a good place to get wood around here….everything needs to get shipped…and it’s not cheap as we all know…..seems like the local trees around here are not the best for woodworking….and there certainly isn’t enough of them anyway….

My biggest complaint though is that I don’t get enough time in my shop these days!.....holding down a real job makes it difficult….I need to retire…but I am at the top of my game now…so I don’t want to rush it…c’est le vie…

-- Woodworking.....My small slice of heaven!

Hey Rick
You know the old adage about assuming . I thought the photo of your shop was half shop half garage. I guess I assumed wrong. Makes for and even cooler shop.

-- Jim from Heirloom Woodshop Southern Oregon

Jim B: agreed. Plan on having the guy install the sub-panel and anything 220v related. From there, I (also an ex volunteer firefighter LOL) will get my hands dirty.

Consider me another member of the “I (respectfully and jealously) Hate Rick Dennington Club”

Jimi_C: I hear ya’. Mine’s sort of the reverse. After EE, I wound up being /awfully/ good at CS. Strange world, eh? ;-)

-- -- Neil

Visiting wood workers tell me IT”S ME .

-- rob

Sorry to hear that Rob…........in your own shop…......

..............of course the rest of us won’t admit it….........

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

HAH , (burp )

-- rob

My problem is headroom, mostly, and getting larger things in/out of the basement shop. Luckily, I’m moving into a 2 car garage. Well, a NO car garage, really. It seems well lit enough, has plenty of shelving and more outlets than my basement currently has. (time will tell how much I can run at once.) Insulating will need to be done, as well as some other ideas I’m noodling on to keep it warm enough, and rust free enough. Heat wasn’t really ever an issue in the basement, but flipping around a sheet of plywood was impossible, and a 8’ 2×4 was nearly so. What with all the obstructions and overhead floor joists 6’ off the floor.
I tended to keep all my offcuts – any big enough to glue up and or chuck up and play around with on the lathe. What I set up was shelves for each type of wood. as well as some of the larger rubbermaid totes on the floor under a bench for offcuts of ply and other non-hardwood bits. Great to source for jigs and stuff… and if the bins started to overflow they moved upstairs for the fireplace.
What I will miss is having a compost pile (place to dump the shavings) and said woodstove. I guess I’ll have to find a use for every inch of every board hereafter – or pay the dump to take em.

-- I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it. - Pablo Picasso -- http://blanchardcreative.etsy.com -- http://snbcreative.wordpress.com/

I would say more room but I’d just get more junk and fill it up:-))

-- Debt is nothing more than the 21st Century's form of slavery.

Ok Jim: Now I got it. I was confused and dazed for a minute. Yes—you are partly right. My workshop is 26’x50’, and the other part is 14’x50’ where I park my bassboat and truck. I call it “the boat side”, and a wall divides the two, with a walk-thru door. If I didn’t fish or drive, I’d have more room for more shop. But I’ve still got plenty of room in the shop.

-- Remember--- one good turn-- gets most of the blanket!!!!

Still a super sized shop Rick

-- Jim from Heirloom Woodshop Southern Oregon

Dust/chip collection is a problem right now, but I’ll fix that someday when I buy a proper DC instead of just using a shopvac. Moisture is a problem because I’m in an old stone walled basement, but I can partially fix that with a dehumidifier someday. I guess my biggest problem, like so many others, is space, which I can’t fix so easily. I manage, but a couple times already, I had to assemble something in my garage, even though my shop is in my basement. I’ve had to run 8’ boards through the planer too, which requires about 17’ total clear space in a straight line, which isn’t always easy to manage.

-- Dale Manning, Carthage, NY

My shop is a mess, should one organize a good shop, he should do just the opposite of what I have. My shop has no natural light, no direct access to the outdoor area, no good dust collection. There are some steps to enter the shop. Floor, walls and ceiling are stiff and flat, therefore don’t muffle the noise, they magnify it if any; the floor spoils dramatically my chisels when I let them fall. There is no water tap.
Sooner or later I’ll transform my garage into my ideal shop, I need only to build a new car roof, a couple of large window frames, a wooden floor…in few years I could cope with it…maybe…

-- Antonio --

cut-off storage.. I really liked that cubicle idea. With limited wall space, what about “think up”?
Is there room near the ceiling for a row of cubicles?

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (http://www.execulink.com/~yohan)

Rick I don’t see how you could be anything but satisfied with that great shop. I love my shop too, even though it doesn’t hold a candle to yours. My only problems are the cut-offs and the somewhat narrow working space. A smaller shop can be advantageous for us older guys though because we don’t have to do a lot of walking to access tools etc.

I too thought too that it would be great to have dedicated wall cabinet for cut offs, but I don’t have any wall space left!

-- Mike, American in Norway

Hey stefang: You know—it really doesen’t matter if your shop is big or small, as long as you are satisfied and pleased with it , and can work comfortable in it. I think sometimes mine is too big, after walking from one end to the other to use the various tools. Full knee replacements on both knees last year really gets to me a lot.
I’m thinking of buying a golf cart to get around!! lol lol. One nice thing about a smaller shop—- you don’t have to work as hard to keep it cleaned up. I’m not sure sometimes if “bigger is better”. But then I’m glad I do have the room. That’s the way I designed it. I hope that when I croak—- I’m in the shop!!!! lol.

-- Remember--- one good turn-- gets most of the blanket!!!!

I have even used the up space in my shop. I bought one of those fancy step stools that you can roll aroung with a kick, and when you stand on it, it becomes stable. I also use it to sit on when working underneath one of the power tools for adjustments and things. A little spendy, but darn useful, especially when you have things up high.

As you might expect, I also built a stool like that back in the 70’s. I was in Fairbanks at the time, and in the 70’s, it was hard to find things, no internet, just a few catalogs. It is basically a stool over a stool, separated by springs, with the inner one on wheels. Lost track of who in the family has that now. Oh well, another topic, but the rolling step stool is an interesting and fairly simple piece of woodwork. I got lazy this time and just bought one. The wooden thing I had here kept getting in the way.

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

When I made my first piece of cut-off, I grabbed the biggest double-walled corrugated box I could find, in the house (ridiculously, we seem to have a few).

And as I THREW that first triangular piece (miter saw) into that cavernous thing, I remember thinking “Oh. This idea is IN NO WAY going to scale with my continued use.”

Today, I use the same box.

I can’t find squat … other than—of course—whatever’s on top :-)

Might be time for a huge bonfire, and a real solution :-)

-- -- Neil

I owe a thanks of gratitude to kindlingmaker for a solution to my cut-offs. I will admit that the idea of a shelf type arrangement had occurred to me in the past, but I never did anything about it. As it happens we just replaced two night stands with two drawers each which were in good shape, but didn’t agree with the wife’s critical eye. With Kindlingmaker’s suggestion still in mind, I got the idea to use the night stands stacked as a tall cabinet for the cut-offs. I even managed to find some wall space for them behind my router cabinet. I intend to keep the drawers but partition them off for the different size cut-off. I don’t know yet if this will actually work out for me, but I feel I should get a gold star for trying.

Rick It is really a lot easier to keep a big shop clean. Believe me, I am an expert on the subject. I have every machine tool and all of my storage chests of drawers except for my mitersaw station on wheels. This is absolutely necessary because with such a small space sawdust and shavings easily messes everything up, even with my vacuum cleaner wihich I always use on every major machine. I have to move every machine just to clean the floor, not to mention the dust covering the machine and every other horizontal surface in the shop. I have full sympathy with your knee problem, as I have similar issues. I try to sit while working whenever practical. I also try to do projects that don’t keep me on my feet a whole lot. One solution is to have several stools placed around the workshop so you can sit down wherever you are when you need a little break and/or to work sitting down.

Like Neil I used a cardboard box for many years, but recently built a good one out of plywood. One of the things that is coming through to me on this blog is that many of us let things slide and we don’t take the time to solve the irritating things that deserve our attention. I think the message here is find a solution to your problem and make it happen.

-- Mike, American in Norway

Worst thing of all time is when I am working at a machine and my wife, or anyone else, comes in quietly behind me and I turn a little and nearly put my fingers through the blade.Now to be fair she only did it once and I don’t lock the shop when I am in by myself for obvious reasons but she is very careful to wait outside til I get finished with machining then she makes it well known she if there. Does anyone else hate this? Alistair

-- excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease

Alistair, I usually have my cell phone in my pocket and since I can’t hear my wife over power tools especially with my earplugs in, she calls me on the phone rather than come down into the basement. I feel the vibrations so I know she wants something. It’s not as startling or quite as distracting as someone walking up behind you, and I can then take the time to shut the tool down and go see what she wants.

-- Dale Manning, Carthage, NY

Thanks Dale for the great mobil phone idea. I am definitely going to do the same from now on. And Alistair I hope you will find it comforting to know that you are not the only man afraid of his wife. LOL

-- Mike, American in Norway

...not enough tools…I need more…just one more…If I could just get one more my life would be perfect…my wife would look better…the neighbors dogs would quite barking at night…the poor would get richer and the rich would get real jobs…just one more tool…

-- http://www.woodsongsfurniture.com

my only problem is feedback ,
no one to share the beauty with .

as i work ,
God gives me so many things ,
but as i live alone ,
i’m the only one to see them ,
by the time someone does ,
all the scenery has gone by the wayside .

LJ’ helps somewhat ,
as i can share with you all , thanks .

but a ’ wow ’ once in a while wouldn’t hurt ,
and of course a reward !

-- david ,new mexico ,allheart

I know a little how you feel David. Even though I have a wonderful wife and family and don’t live alone, when it come to woodworking I feel pretty isolated. I joined a woodworking club here quite a few years ago, and there were a lot of very capable members, but even though I speak the language well enough my hearing is a little off and I had a hard time following with when everybody was jabbering at once. It wasn’t their fault and they were friendly enough, but I just couldn’t follow with good enough to enjoy it. It has been fantastic for me to be able to converse in my own language with so many positive woodworkers on LJ. I also get pretty tired of reading all the negative news and this site keeps me thinking positively.

-- Mike, American in Norway

One more irritating aspect, a crappy table saw, Ryobi BTS10S. Never buy cheap power tools!! Lesson learned.

The fact that when I first moved into my house, I could have had a good-sized outbuilding built, say 20×30, but I chose to build a 10×20 shed and use the third car space in my garage for a shop instead. Now my shed is too big for a shed and too small for a shop, and my shop is too small, and the dust gets into the house. I regret this every time I’m in either the shed or the shop.

-- Measure twice, then try to figure out which one was right.

mines the clod in winter ….......

Stefang with all that scrap as you call it if you want to unload some i can always give you my address LOL…..

-- cut it saw it scrap it

I thought I was the only one that couldn’t type here!

That’s very funny Pommy! <vbg>

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

You are welcome to it Pommy if you are willing to pay the freight from Norway. I warn you though, I haven’t got all those beautiful tropical hardwood scraps the guys in the U.S. are always talking about.

-- Mike, American in Norway

Mosquitos and other sorted flying blood sucking insects.

-- Matt, Houston Texas

Why is it the that the only offcut in the bin is an inch too short on one side?

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

A lack of climate control. Seems like the only times I’m able to carve out of my schedule to make sawdust is when it’s 110 or 45 degrees in the shop/garage. The cold I can make warmer, but the heat is a problem.

-- "The only thing that counts is faith, expressing itself in love." --Galatians 5:6