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Blog entry by sourdough posted 07-12-2017 01:13 PM 493 reads 0 times favorited 9 comments Add to Favorites Watch

Just acquired the above plane which is 13 15/16” 14” (?) in length. As far as I can determine it may have been manufactured in Canada. It has been welded on the base where, apparently it broke at the throat (or is that Mouth?).
I doubt that it has any value but I am interested in the fact that I am able to locate so little information about it. It is quite rusty but I am considering dipping it in vinegar and see what appears. Currently I am in the midst of my first plane restoration and finding a lot of great information here and on YouTube. Paul Sellers is one of my current heroes.

In closing if anyone can give me some more info on this Zenith plane or point me in the right direction I’d love to hear from y’all.



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#1 posted 07-12-2017 03:58 PM

Pictures would help (unless my slow connection this AM just isn’t loading them…). Poopie Kat here on LJs might have some insight; he’s got a ton of off-brand, lesser known stuff in his arsenal.

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#2 posted 07-12-2017 06:56 PM

Summerfi actually has a Zenith (Marshall Wells Hardware) saw medallion in his reference guide. Might be the same “Zenith,” which would make it a hardware store brand (made by someone else).

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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#3 posted 07-13-2017 05:28 AM

Thank you. I’ve forgotten where I got the info about Canada. Or mis-info. The Marshall Wells sounded familiar and I just checked the Google Images and, indeed, PoopieKat has posted some MW pictures there. Wonder if he has the Z-5. Am attaching some images and wonder if it’s worth my while to recondition it. I ahve others that I would need to get to first. All in all the vinegar bath is doing its thing. I pulled the parts out a couple of hours ago and they were substantially cleaner but decided to stick them back in for another day.

The YouTube video said to wash off with warm soapy water. Would there be any other steps in getting the vinegar off or can it just be rinsed off. I believe the fellow who posted said the vinegar if left would pit the metal.

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#4 posted 07-13-2017 01:30 PM

Not sure how much effort I’d put into that plane. Rust looks pretty extensive and the repairs might give you a fit trying to get the sole flat. Jack planes are readily available so unless you just really like that one or like rehabbing them (which is entirely possible and understandable!), I’d evaluate after the vinegar bath and proceed based on how much pitting is present, how flat the sole is, and how well the repair was done.

Just my $.02!

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#5 posted 07-13-2017 03:26 PM

The wood actually looks pretty good on it. I’m in agreement with Kenny, re: evaluate after the bath. Is there an etch / stamp / name at the top of the cutter? It’s certainly an unusual brand so I’ve give it more deference than, say, a 70s era Stanley when it comes to refurb.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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#6 posted 07-14-2017 12:03 AM

I’ve got a Zenith Z-27 somewhere, I’m assuming it’s a Transitional equivalent to a Stanley #27, but that’s all I got to go on. I have a few planes with Marshall Wells Zenith cutters, something tells me the tooling on these outlives the cast iron. Your plane is certainly a desirable one, certainly worth the effort it would take to bring it back alive. Smitty knows I’m a fan of the more obscure manufacturers.
I’ll try to track down my Z 27 and post some pics, but probably not until Sunday or so.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#7 posted 07-14-2017 12:10 AM

Hey PK! Thanks for checking in on this one!

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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#8 posted 07-14-2017 12:56 AM

Hey thanks guys. PK I will probably put it in the bath as soon as i pull the one in there now. Apparently from what I am told the vinegar can be used again and that I should rinse off the 21” one with watewr and dish soap. Any other ideas are most welcome. Maybe the z-5 is a Stanley 5 knock-off.

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#9 posted 07-14-2017 03:01 AM

The lateral adjust lever is sometimes a dead giveaway as to pedigree. Take a pic of the top of it, and as it meets the frog without cutter and we’ll learn a bit more.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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