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Sawstop I know we’ve all seen it before, but….

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Blog entry by smgaines posted 1364 days ago 944 reads 0 times favorited 11 comments Add to Favorites Watch

I don’t know about you but every time I see the hot dog get run into the saw stop table saw blade I’m amazed at how fast the saw blade stops and disappears into the saw. It looks like this video has been around a while but I haven’t seen it before. This video has the normal hot dog demonstration, but in this video the saw stop inventor puts his finger into the blade. Now that takes guts. I don’t know about you but it doesn’t matter how safe a saw is or I know for a fact that I won’t get hurt I don’t know if I could purposely put my finger into a moving saw blade.

-- Scott, Georgia



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dakremer

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#1 posted 1364 days ago

i’ve never seen this one either with the finger – that is ballsy!!

I’ve actually seen this saw in person but did not get to see it run. The automatic stop is obviously AMAZING but i wonder how the rest of the saw functions – besides the stop, is it a high quality machine with accurate cuts, etc? does anyone know?

-- Hey you dang woodchucks, quit chucking my wood!!!!

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RonPeters

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#2 posted 1364 days ago

What happens after the fact? Does it still cut, or do you have to replace stuff?

Still, no matter the cost of ‘fixing’ the saw, it’s way cheaper than a skin graft….

-- “Once more unto the breach, dear friends...” Henry V - Act III, Scene I

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William

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#3 posted 1364 days ago

This is EXACTLY my only gripe with the SawStop technology. It takes a completely carefree idiot to stick his finger to a moving saw blade. I fear that this technology is going to make some people TOO comfortable with their saws. Then, as we all know, it isn’t if a feature fails, it’s when. I don’t give a rats @$$ how well a part is made, time will degrade it. Then some idiot gets hurt putting his finger to the blade carelessly. Then he sues. Then we’re back here debating the merits of the next great idiot proof technology. I’m sorry for ranting, but even with this finger saving technology, shop safety still takes something that some people lack, common sense.

-- http://wddsrfinewoodworks.blogspot.com/

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RichardH

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#4 posted 1364 days ago

I sure wouldn’t stick my finger into one of these things on purpose. Every now and then on these forums, we’ve seen the pictures of people who’ve used saws for years and make one small slip to get a pretty significant injury. I think it’s great technology as long as it didn’t misfire on wet wood, etc. causing added expense over time.

I feel like it’s kind of like most new technology – it can be useful, but shouldn’t replace common sense. I doubt just because the inventor is willing to do this that many people would line up behind him for a try.

-- "It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it...It's the hard that makes it great."

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NBeener

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#5 posted 1364 days ago

All reports—including the last Fine Woodworking (is that right?) comparison—say that the SS IS an EXCELLENT saw—right up there with the Unisaw and the Powermatic … apart from its safety feature.

-- -- Neil

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Manitario

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#6 posted 1364 days ago

What I’m curious about is how well this would work under regular conditions; ie. my finger is not wet and salty like a hotdog, and it would move far faster into the blade than this dude’s very cautious approach.

-- Sometimes the creative process requires foul language. -- Charles Neil

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a1Jim

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#7 posted 1364 days ago

Seen it but still cool
Ron you have to change the cartridge $69 and get a new blade.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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tedth66

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#8 posted 1364 days ago

@ dakremer ~ I can tell you from using it for over a year now that the SawStop saw is much more than safety. The saw is outstanding when it comes to cutting lumber. I don’t intend to purposely test out the brake system with a hotdog or my finger so I can’t speak to the safety feature,,, I just trust that that feature works as advertised. I bought the contractor saw and built a custom cabinet for it to improve the dust collection and give me added storage. Simply put the SawStop is #1 in my book. Easily this is my favorite power tool in my shop ~

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@William ~ I grew up with a cheap Craftsman saw with a horrible fence and then moved to a jobsite Dewalt saw and finally bought a SawStop. I can say I’m as careful (“uncomfortable”) with the Sawstop as I was with the Craftsman and Dewalt saw. SawStop isn’t the solve all for stupidity, that’s for sure. Getting comfortable with any tool is foolish in my book. I understand what you’re saying but I believe the majority of people are still cautious,,, maybe the fear isn’t losing fingers than maybe the fear comes from kickbacks or replacing the blade and brake.

-- Ted

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Hrolfr

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#9 posted 1364 days ago

I have used but do not own a SS. It is a great saw and a pleasure to use.

William: This was not a carefree idiot. This was the inventor standing behind his product to answer questions like the one Rob has. but on an aside just because you have a seatbelt do you drive like and idiot??

-- Hrolfr

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William

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#10 posted 1363 days ago

Please let me clarify. I’m not at all saying the guy in the video is an idiot. Not in the least. As I understand it, he is the inventor of the SawStop. If that is truly the case, the guy is brilliant. I also appreciate the fact that he trusts his own technology enough to demonstrate it to that extent.
What I AM referring to is the idiot that eventually will very carelessly forget about other safety monded common sense practices because “Oh, I’ve got a saw stop, I don’t have to worry about traditional table saw safety practices”. I truly believe that is going to happen eventually and someone will sue.
Think about it. We have legistation that is trying to be pushed through in this country right now to make SawStop mandantory on all new saws. While I think this would be fantastic, I also think it would also push all table saws, even ones that are normally entry level saws, out of the price range of some people.
While I think the SawStop technology is a terrific new piece of safety technology, I disagree that is should ever be a mandantory piece of safety equipment. Some people may just need an affordable saw. most of those people now can get an affordable saw and practice safety while using it. Then there are some, the same some that will probably find a way to hurt themselves on the SawStop, that no matter how much safety equipment you put on any kind of saw, they are going to be an idiot and either disable it, or figure out a way to use it improperly, get hurt, and then blame their own idiocy on the saw manufactorer.
Want proof?
Check out the lawsuit that really got the sawstop legislation ball rolling. It was a guy cutting hardwood for flooring. He was using no fence, no guard, nothing. He got hurt. Did he sue the company he worked at for not providing safety equipment? No, they couldn’t have paid him much money. Did he sue the foreman for not making sure safety was being practiced on the jobsite? No, he couldn’t have paid him much money. So he sued the saw manufactorer. And won for over a million bucks.
It is my opinion that if I done the exact same thing as that guy, and cut off all my fingers, I’d have one person to blame. ME!

-- http://wddsrfinewoodworks.blogspot.com/

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smgaines

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#11 posted 1363 days ago

William I understand what you are saying. I too am amazed at the Saw Stop technology. I would really consider getting one for my next table saw because everyone that has one generally likes it. Every reveiw that I read about it says that its a wonderful well built saw. What leaves a bad taste in my mouth is the politics of it. I’m not a big fan of using the courts to force your product on everyone. Left on my own I’ll probably eventually end up buying one, but if I’m forced to buy one the stubborn side of me will fight it tooth and nail. I’m not saying that this is logical it’s just the way that I am. :)

-- Scott, Georgia

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