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My Journey As A Scroll Saw Pattern Designer #740: More Glue Issues

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Blog entry by Sheila Landry (scrollgirl) posted 06-22-2012 10:15 AM 3398 reads 0 times favorited 9 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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We had a small change of plans yesterday, and we wound up taking the day off from cutting the final set of pieces for our kits. Keith was still having a lot of trouble with the spray glue, and he had to take a bit of time to chase around to find an alternative. While he was doing that, I spent the day working on writing the final pattern packet.

He returned home after an hour or so and was unsuccessful in finding a feasible alternative to the Elmer’s spray glue. I suppose that is one of the drawbacks of living in a small town. There were only a couple of places that would possibly have anything similar and unfortunately none of them did. The spray glues that the two local hardware stores carried were both permanent bond types and wouldn’t do for our purposes.

We then got a call that my car was ready to be picked up. When we were returning from our day trip last week, Keith noticed that the oil pressure gauge was registering that there was no pressure. The needle was quite erratic, jumping from zero to about three quarters of the way up. Naturally we had to take it right in to our mechanic, who wasn’t able to look at it until this week. The problem turned out to be a faulty gauge, which was a bit of a relief but still left me without a car for the week. I am happy to have it back again.

By the time we returned from getting the car and the other errands, it was a bit late to start cutting. Besides, Keith still had to apply all the patterns to the remaining 48 or so sets of boards that need to be cut. It was very frustrating for him to fight with that spray, and we will only find out today if the patterns would even hold. We had two brand new cans of spray glue here and both of them were the same in that they either spat out strings of glue or they sprayed a mist, which seemed to have little or no adhesive in it at all. We are planning to take what is left in the cans and bring them back to the store with the receipt. I doubt it will do any good though.

I still plan on talking to someone regarding the glue next week when things settle down, but for now we have to keep things moving. I am hoping that the glue will be sufficient for this group of cutting. At least the designs are simple and don’t require a lot of intricate cutting.

We plan on cutting half of the 150 kits that are left today and finishing up on the cutting tomorrow. After that, the messiest part of the job is done. We still have to drill the pieces and package the kits, which will certainly take a couple more days. Our target for shipping is at the beginning of the week sometime, and while it would have been nice to see everything go out the door Monday or Tuesday, we will just have to see what will be. We both know we are doing our best and that is the most important thing.

It is good to see this order being done so quickly. It will also be good when it is done to be able to get on to other things and work on them. I will be very happy to finish my ornaments that I started to make so long ago. I can’t believe how the weeks and days are flying by. But it is all good and all productive and it means that the business is moving in a positive direction.

It’s Friday already and the close of another week. With summer just beginning, I am looking forward to some good days to come. In any case, I expect it to be a busy season.

Have a great day.

-- Designer/Artist/Teacher. Owner of Sheila Landry Designs (http://www.sheilalandrydesigns.com) Scroll saw, wood working and painting patterns and surfaces. "Knowledge is Power"



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patron

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#1 posted 06-22-2012 10:40 AM

ever since the ‘environment friendly’ (and the economy)
went into overdrive
i have noticed that almost all finishing products have been ‘improved’

seems that all chemical companies have cut back or changed
their formulas to ‘comply’
rendering them almost worthless

kind of like the new packaging
bigger wrapper more air less candy more money

i still use the old style contact cement
when i can find it
as the new water based ones just don’t work worth a dammed

i use photo mount or 3m spray for some stuff
if applied to one side it can be removed withing a reasonable time
if repeatably sprayed to both surfaces
it is stuck for good (lacquer thinner will remove it)

hope you find what works for you
nothing like having a simple job
turn into a nightmare

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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Sheila Landry (scrollgirl)

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#2 posted 06-22-2012 10:52 AM

We have seen the 3M stuff, but not here in our town. :(

You are right in that a simple thing turned into a nightmare. I think Keith was ready to throw the can at the wall yesterday. I told him to try the other can and when he did – same thing.

Sometimes it is best to walk away and take a breath. He finished the day working on computers. :)

I really hope that I can find something that is a good alternative. I don’t know why they have to muck up something that worked. Probably to save two cents a can, too. :( It is such a simple part of the job but an important one. Cutting the pieces while the pattern is flapping loose is not only aggravating, but dangerous. (That’s how I got my boo boo!) I was too busy trying to hold the damn thing down and it caught my finger! But having it cemented on isn’t good either – especially when cutting 6000 pieces. Can you imagine the time it would take to use mineral spirits to get the excess glue off? We already have a pile of some pieces where the ‘splotches’ of glue need to be removed. That alone is going to take a bit of extra, unanticipated time.

It just shouldn’t be that way.

Poopie!

But for now, we have to just forge ahead. We are in the home stretch and hopefully today will be a good and productive day. I am sure there must be something that works out there. Now to just find it!

Have a good day yourself, David.

Sheila :)

-- Designer/Artist/Teacher. Owner of Sheila Landry Designs (http://www.sheilalandrydesigns.com) Scroll saw, wood working and painting patterns and surfaces. "Knowledge is Power"

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Lee A. Jesberger

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#3 posted 06-22-2012 11:11 AM

Yup, poopie’s the right word for it!

I hate it when stuff like that happens. Those are the kind of problems that really make me nuts. The ones somebody decided to create by changing something to save a penny a can.

Some people say, ” If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. My father used to say, “if it ain’t broke, don’t break it”. Either one of them would have worked.

I would really lose it if I were in a remote place, as you are, that didn’t have 50 stores nearby, where I could find a replacement product.

Well I’ll bet that if you have any lawyers reading that you got cut due to a faulty can of glue, you’ll being hearing from them. Or, if you let Elmers know, they’ll be sending you some product. Maybe more glue that doesn’t work.

Well, I hope everything else works for you guys, so you can stay on track.

Have fun,

Lee

-- by Lee A. Jesberger http://www.prowoodworkingtips.com http://www.ezee-feed.com

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Sheila Landry (scrollgirl)

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#4 posted 06-22-2012 11:19 AM

Hi, Lee:
Don’t forget I am a Chicago girl who grew up with 50 stores nearby! Lots of alternatives there. We almost made the trip to Yarmouth which would have killed half the day. Not to mention the gas money to get there and back!

I doubt that I would ever make good on the injury claim, but I KNOW that is the reason I got my finger in the mess. When the pieces hold one, I cruise through and hold the 10×10” pieces on the edge to ‘steer’ them. Most scrollers have experienced when the pattern loosens up and starts to flap. You just hold it down with your finger and move on. It is really difficult to take the piece out of the saw and realign it perfectly. But in this case, the spray wasn’t working anyway so what would be the point.

I keep a roll of tape next to me so that on the bad pieces, I can apply that to help hold it down, but as you can imagine it really slows me down. It’s better than another cut though.

I’ll let everyone know how things go today. Hopefully, it won’t be too bad and we will finish off at least.

Thanks as always for your input. :)

Sheila

-- Designer/Artist/Teacher. Owner of Sheila Landry Designs (http://www.sheilalandrydesigns.com) Scroll saw, wood working and painting patterns and surfaces. "Knowledge is Power"

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Rick13403

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#5 posted 06-22-2012 12:58 PM

Hi Sheila, along with the roll of tape to reattach the pattern, I also have a pencil ready to use as a pattern hold down. I use the eraser end to avoid getting my finger too close to the blade.
Rick

-- Rick - DeWalt 788 - www.thescrollerandtoler.com

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Roger

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#6 posted 06-22-2012 01:25 PM

Good luck with the glue situation. Sounds like a pain in the “arse”. Hope you get it worked out. Be safe

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Kentuk55@bellsouth.net

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jerrells

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#7 posted 06-22-2012 03:40 PM

I am wondering if on of the seam rollers, that they use for wallpaper, would make a difference. I am thinking about getting one and trying on my next cut. Could not hurt.

-- Just learning the craft my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ practiced.

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Lee A. Jesberger

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#8 posted 06-22-2012 04:55 PM

Hi Sheila,

Have you tried the sheets that come with adhesive on both sides? I believe they are used for attaching covers to school books, and have different grades of “grab”

I have used them on veneering when doing a marquetry project. Might work for you.

Lee

-- by Lee A. Jesberger http://www.prowoodworkingtips.com http://www.ezee-feed.com

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Sheila Landry (scrollgirl)

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#9 posted 06-23-2012 10:52 AM

Hi, Lee –
I heard the sheets work really well, but I wouldn’t be able to use them on these pieces because of the cost. Even though we are stack cutting multiple layers, we still have applied the pattern to a couple hundred pieces of wood. The sheets are a bit too expensive for that. But I do hear that some scrollers really like them and I would think for more intricate designs, they would be nice.

I appreciate your input. It is good to hear about what has worked for others. :)

Sheila

-- Designer/Artist/Teacher. Owner of Sheila Landry Designs (http://www.sheilalandrydesigns.com) Scroll saw, wood working and painting patterns and surfaces. "Knowledge is Power"

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