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My "Almost" Dream Table Saw

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I have been woodworking without a table saw (TS) for nearly 30 years; using a radial arm saw as the workhorse of my tools. I never had the room for a table saw when I worked out of my 8’X11’ basement shop. In 2007 I became the happy owner of a dedicated shop, attached to my garage. It is only 8’x18’ but it has an 8’ ceiling and is almost double the space I had. I plan to retire from my job of 32+ years next July and planned to use the money I will receive for my unused vacation time to by a top notch TS. Reading reviews here on LJ as well as Google searches and reviews in magazines; I resolved that the PM2000 was the saw I wanted. As this was to be my first and last TS, I decided to spend the money and get all the bells and whistles available. In other words, purchase my “dream table saw”. During my research I learned of a site: “Powermatic”: http://www.woodwerks.com/ that sells custom made PM2000s. You pick any color you want including an accent color if you like, motor size, fence size, etc. They even put a plate on the front that reads: “Custom built for (fill in name).” I wanted the 5 hp motor, had selected colors (dk gray with navy blue trim) and 50” Accu-fence. The whole thing was going to cost about $3,600 delivered.

Then Woodcraft came along with a 20% off Powermatic and Jet tools sale about a month ago. For the same saw I wanted, but not customized, the final cost including delivery was $2,700. It was a deal I couldn’t pass up. (At least that’s what the wife said!) So, on Tuesday May 26th my dream TS arrived. It was to be lift-gate delivery and I planned to ask the driver to drop the lift-gate just inside my garage and we (a brother and two neighbors) could work it off the lift-gate onto the garage floor. Turns out the driver left the truck on the street, used a pallet jack to lift the saw and he, the pallet jack and saw came down on the lift-gate together. He walked the saw up my driveway to the garage (two of us pushed while he pulled), spun it around and dropped it right in my garage.

There were lots of boxes. One for the rails, one for the Accu-fence, the extension wings, the extension table, etc. All the boxes were sitting on top of the box that encased the saw and were held there with shrink-wrap. The saw itself was encased in a cardboard box with no bottom and 2X4s at each corner. I wanted to get pictures of everything step by step but my helpers were too anxious to see things so we started opening boxes and learning what was what. After all boxes were off the saw and its box was removed, I wanted to employ their help in getting the saw off the pallet and onto the garage floor. We tried to slide the saw to an edge only to learn that it was bolted to the pallet with a heavy piece of metal and a lag screw. There were two of these.

That’s why there was no bottom to the box. With the brackets removed we slid the saw to an edge and then to the floor. We lifted the edge that was still on the pallet to a steep angle, pulled out the pallet and then rested the saw fully on the floor. I have nothing to compare it to but this is one beefy saw. Delivery weight for everything was listed as 750 lbs. The owners’ manuals, one for the saw and one for the fence system, were clear and easy to follow. I thought I was missing one bag of hardware for the fence and rails but on a hunch I tipped and shook the hollow tube that sits on the front rail and out popped the bag of hardware. Over the course of several days, working about an hour a night, I got the whole saw assembled, adjusted and aligned.

As advertised, the blade is easily installed via a lock button, the blade guard and riving knife click in and out of place quickly and easily.

This again, is the 50”Accu-Fence model so it has an extension table. The table has optional legs and I opted not to install them as I will need to move (position) the saw each time I use it. Lag screws hold the table to the fence rails along its length. This saw has built-in castors that work right out of the box. My shop has that rubber tile flooring that fits together like a puzzle. I will have to take that up in the area of the TS in order for it to roll. As other LJers have mentioned and as pictured in one of the top three photos, the saw comes with a 4’ cord (10 gauge). This was not going to fit my needs so I purchased a 12’ length and replaced it. I also installed a twist lock plug rated for 30 amps. So now I could finally plug her in and fire her up, right? Wrong. Back in 2007 when my shop was built, I asked my electrician what gauge wire I would need for a 3 hp, 220v TS. He told me 12 gauge would be sufficient so that’s what I ran. I ended up with a 5 hp motor but in either case 10 gauge is the proper wire. So I had to disassemble one side of a partition wall, pull out the 12 gauge wire back to the breaker box, run 10 gauge wire and install the outlet. On Tuesday June 2nd, a week after receiving the saw, I finally got to turn it on. What a sweet sound and as advertised and reported by others, hardly any vibration. OK as others before me, I had to post a picture demonstrating the
nickel test. Believe it or not, the saw was running as this picture was taken.

With the nickel standing on edge on the table I hit the start button and the nickel never budged. You might also notice in this picture that my Freud Fusion blade had arrived. So, while not the specific color I wanted and without my name on it, I’d say I am delighted with my “almost” dream table saw, and about 14 months earlier than I expected to have it.

My thanks to my brother, C.M. and my neighbors Joel and Ken for their help on delivery day.

-- And on the eighth day God was back in His woodworking shop!

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kerflesss

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posted 169 days ago

Congrats Lenny!! I’m sure the sweet wrrrrrrr-r-r-r will make your retirement even sweeter :)

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Durnik150

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posted 169 days ago

Cangratulations!! It is a beauty! May you and she make beautiful woodwork for many years to come. I hope your wife doesn’t get jealous!

-- Behind the Bark is a lot of Heartwood----Charles, Centennial, CO

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davidroberts

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posted 169 days ago

Goodbye tension, hello pension! I love a happy ending. That is one beautiful TS. Enjoy.

-- david roberts, houston area, "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but that has never been a problem for me."

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CessnaPilotBarry

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posted 169 days ago

Nice!!!

Be aware that it’s perfectly normal for the nickel to budge at start up. Belts can take a set if you don’t use the saw every few days, but it’s once it’s running that counts. I’ve seen many a high HP cabinet saw that starts with an authoritative POP, if it hasn’t been used in a few days.

Nice saw!

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a1Jim

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posted 169 days ago

Cool saw .It’s going to be way better than a radial arm saw. congrats

-- Jim from Heirloom Woodshop, custom furniture ,maker, woodworking school, heirloomwoodshop.com

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John Gray

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posted 169 days ago

I’m really happy for you Lenny this looks like a great saw!!!!!!!

-- Only the Shadow knows....................

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Napaman

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posted 169 days ago

wow…that is a GREAT STORY!!! I am nearly to tears man…ok…not really..but seriously…that is great…I think the cheaper and sooner beats the personalized colors and name badge…you can probably find a metal worker and painter to do the same job for $900…

I am really happy for you…32 years…that is nice…I am a loooooooooong way from retirement…but i get a pretty nice ‘mini-retirement’ yearly as a teacher…and i am only on day two—-still buzzing that the school yer is over…so I cant imagine what you must be feeling—and will feel next july…

So—-you will have time to show me around Boston next summer!!!??? just kidding…

GREAT REVIEW…you will have to add another after you get more time using it…but it sounds like its off to a great start…congrats!!!

-- Matt, Napa, CA...fun is beautiful...just trying to have some fun...

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Scott Bryan

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posted 169 days ago

Lenny, that is one fine saw that you have in your shop. I am a big Powermatic fan and have always been impressed by the quality and craftsmanship that go into the PM line of tools. And they have really solid customer service as well. This certainly will give you years of service and is a dream saw.

Congratulations on such a fine purchase.

-- With God's help all things are possible- even woodworking. Woodworking is not just a hobby, it is an (expletive deleted) expensive hobby.

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ND2ELK

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posted 169 days ago

Hi Lenny

Congratulations on your new saw purchase. You are going to love your new saw! I am happy for you. Thanks for posting.

God Bless
tom

-- Mc Bridge Cabinets, Iowa

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Beginningwoodworker

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posted 169 days ago

Congrats Lenny on your new saw.

-- CJIII Future cabinetmaker

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BTKS

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posted 169 days ago

Congrats, it’s a beauty. I’m sure it will cut even better than it looks.
BTKS

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posted 169 days ago

LENNY,
My fellow Red Sox fanatic fan !!!!....BIG CONGRATS MAN !!! That is one beautiful saw…. I can not wait to see what great creations comes out of it !!

-- Don S.E. OK

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John

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posted 169 days ago

Great Saw Lenny, I swear by Powermatic. I’ve used them for years in the shops I’ve worked in and they are solid. I’d say the 1,000,00 savings was well worth it. Now you can afford some wood.

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posted 169 days ago

Congratulations Lenny on the new saw. It is beautiful. It will be great to get up in the morning and just work on your projects. Congratulations on your retirement!

-- Vern, Southern CA

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Bovine

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posted 169 days ago

Lenny, that’s a great saw! I’m so jealous, I’m still on a basic Home Depot special. You’re a patient man to be able to wait a week before turning it on. I’m happy for you and your new saw. I hope your wife gets to see you at lease some of the time. :)

-- Kansas City, KS "Nothing is as permanent as a temporary solution"

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Lenny

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posted 169 days ago

Thanks everyone for the support and the kind and amusing comments. Durnik and Bovine, coincidentally, my daughter told me yesterday that my wife told her I take more pictures of my tools than I did of her and she’s 22! Barry, thanks for the heads up regarding the belt. Napaman, nice to hear from you. If you really want me as a tour guide for Boston, you’d better catch me BEFORE next July. I will not miss that 1 1/2 hours daily commute and it will hard to get me to make that 50+ miles trek for some time. Scott, I know you went with the SawStop and I seriously considered it as well. I can’t say I don’t have second thoughts but for now at least, it will be: enjoy the PM and no looking back! Tom, your review was one that was instrumental in my decision. I have been hoping to see a follow up that covers your use of the saw. As I recall, you hadn’t used it yet. Don, a sweep of the Yankees and two more wins in a row since…the Sox are on a roll right now!

-- And on the eighth day God was back in His woodworking shop!

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Brad_Nailor

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posted 168 days ago

Nice saw and review. Thats the holy grail in convetional table saws, in my opinion. Your a lucky guy!

-- David, South Windsor, CT "I love the smell of sawdust in the morning"

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huff

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posted 168 days ago

Lenny, Great saw! Trust me, you will love it. I bought my 5hp Powermatic Model 66 almost 20 years ago and I love it as much today as I did when I first got it. My first table saw was a 4×8 sheet of 3/4 plywood with 2×4 legs with a 7 1/4” Circular saw mounted under it with a home made wooden fence (adjustable with “C” clamps. Thought I died and went to Heaven when I started using my new Saw. You will have years of great service from this saw, but one thing to remember with the 5hp, If it wants to kick or bind, you won’t stall it out, it will just dim the lights and send the board back at you. We’re all looking forward to your next project built with your new saw. Enjoy!!!!

-- John @ Myrtle Beach

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Don Newton

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posted 168 days ago

All I can say is “WOW”. I have a Delta tilting arbor cabinet saw and am not impressed by it. By the way, is the Powermatic left or right tilt?

-- Don, Pittsburgh

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cabinetmaster

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posted 168 days ago

Congratulations on both the new saw and the pending retirement. Now let’s see the sawdust fly….............LOL

-- Jerry--A man can never have enough tools or clamps

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marcb

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posted 168 days ago

Just wondering what made you choose that saw over the new Unisaw or other competitors.

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Lenny

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posted 168 days ago

Thank you Brad, Huff, Don and Jerry. Wow Huff you have come a long way from that very innovative first TS! Don the PM2000 is left tilt. Marc there was a point when I thought I would be buying the new Unisaw. Then during my research I began to see several negative reviews. Of course, one has to take each review with a grain of salt. What one person sees or experiences may not be what the next one does. In any case, the more I read and saw on the PM2000 I realized I saw very little by way of negative comments. To me, that is very telling. I ultimately resolved that the top two saws (in my opinion) were the PM and the SawStop. As I mentioned this was to be my dream TS so money was not a factor. Regarding the SawStop, I really grappled with that one. Reviews/discussions I read addressed the issues of “false triggers” of the brake mechanism, having to buy only their product, the prospect of their continued presence and the fact that other tools in the shop can also be dangerous and they do not have brake mechanisms. I was soaking up all this information when Woodcraft came out with the 20% off sale. Money then became an issue in that I could not pass up the savings given that the PM was a front runner for me anyway. As I earlier commented to Scott, I sometimes have second thoughts as to whether I should have gone with the SawStop but that’s behind me and I plan to look ahead from now on.

-- And on the eighth day God was back in His woodworking shop!

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RBWoodworker

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posted 168 days ago

Howdy Lenny!! Glad to hear you got your PM2000..as I have stated before I have the PM66 and am just as happy today as when I first bought that saw..I had a craftsman dingy with w 1-1/2 hp lawnmower and I couldn’t wait to get rid of it..in fact..I gave it away FREE..lol you will love this saw many times over and you can consider it the last saw you will every buy.. it has everything you need as far as HP goes and accuracy.. NOW..Let’s see all the great things your gonna make with it! :)

-- Randall Child

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posted 168 days ago

Thats my dream saw!!! I just picked up an old Delta Unisaw so it’ll be a while for me. I got an offer I couldn’t refuse. Well enjoy and keep us updated.

-- I'm not here for your amusement. You're here for mine - Johnny Rotten

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posted 167 days ago

You will never go wrong with a Powermatic…
I have a Powermatic jointer, Powermatic bandsaw and a Powermatic mortiser. My cabinetsaw is a Grizzly but my next one will be a Powermatic.
Happy Cutting!

-- Each and Every step of any project should be considered your masterpiece if you want the finished product to reflect the quality of your work. Greg Little

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posted 167 days ago

That’s a nice looking saw have a lot of happy years working with it. Alistair

-- excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease

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Bill

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posted 167 days ago

A nice saw, and it should give you many years of service. I am looking forward to seeing your projects that come from this saw.

-- Bill, Turlock California, http://www.brookswoodworks.com

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Sandking

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posted 167 days ago

Very nice and best of luck with her. Just a question on your setup. With only 8’ of space can you get past it on one side? If so I would consider building a nice outfeed/workbench and leaving it in one location if possible.

-- The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary....

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Lenny

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posted 167 days ago

Thanks RB, Tomakazi, Greg, Allistair, Bill and Sandking. Once this work thing is behind me, I plan to put her to good use. Well, maybe even some before that time. Sandking, funny you should ask about the dimensions of the saw versus the shop. If I turn the saw at an angle I will be able to use it in my shop and get by it but it will be quite tight. Did your Mom ever tell you that your eyes are bigger than your stomach? Aiming for that dream TS, I wanted the 50” rails versus the 30”. I am having strong second thoughts about that decision in my current shop and I already contacted Woodcraft to see how much it might cost to order the 30” rails. Answer: on sale (10%) about $200. An alternative is that I built a 42” wide door between my shop and garage. The saw is on castors. I can easily wheel it into the garage space and use it there. It will take two flexible hoses to reach the nearest DC drop but it’s do-able. Looks like shop expansion may be the first order of business upon retirement.

-- And on the eighth day God was back in His woodworking shop!

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Napaman

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posted 167 days ago

“shop expansion” is indeed in order…GO BIG…just keep reminding your wife that she told you to buy it…and now you need to fit the shop to it…lol…

-- Matt, Napa, CA...fun is beautiful...just trying to have some fun...

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posted 167 days ago

Congratulations. And good luck on your retirement. Work safe.

-- What happens in the workshop stays in the workshop. No wait that doesn't sound right. Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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grizzman

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posted 167 days ago

i remember when i first opened my table saw and had it running, what a sound…13 years later she is still running smooth and i have the same blade as you do…she is a honey…after a radial arm saw, you will be in seventh heaven….......enjoy!!!

-- The Grizzone

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Dick, & Barb Cain

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posted 167 days ago

Congratulations!

You’ve got a Rolls Royce there, using that nickel trick.

Looking at the size of your shop, I think the only way to get full use of it, is wheel it to the garage.

Is there a possibility you could put about an 8’ or 10’ overhead door between your shop, & garage.

That way you could set it up near that door, & not have to keep moving it.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

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Sandking

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posted 166 days ago

Lenny I hear you about your eyes bigger than your stomach. I opted for and love my Incra fence with 72” rails. In my one car garage is it really tough though because I have to move my table saw to the left about 4 feet every time I want to rip a board. The issue isn’t that I have to move the saw as much as as soon as I move it and lock down the fence I leave something I need on the other side of the saw and can’t walk past it. So my options are walk through the house and open the garage door and then back through the house again or crawl under the rails!!!!

-- The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary....

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Rxmpo

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posted 165 days ago

Lenny,

Use it well. This is a great saw for a great guy. Looking forward to seeing the first project!

Mike

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Lenny

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posted 164 days ago

Thanks for the comments guys. I have had at least 3 “showings” to the various guys in the neighborhood and have endured the typical “If my lights dim, I’ll know Lenny is using his new toy”. Sandking, wow 72” rails! I didn’t know they were made that long. I will manage for awhile until I decide whether to expand or not. Mike, how are you doing buddy? Thanks for the kind words. I think the first project on the saw is going to be a wall hung tool cabinet that I saw in Wood magazine. I have a 4×8 sheet of 3/4” plywood that was for a project that never came to fruition so I will use it for the tool cabinet. I will keep you in the loop Mike.

-- And on the eighth day God was back in His woodworking shop!

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ladiesman217

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posted 103 days ago

Go Yankees! But seriously, I am happy you got your dream saw. I’m still dreaming.

-- Freedom is the right of all sentient beings

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