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- Empire Combination Squares
- Brand: Empire | Category: Measuring Tools

When I was searching for an inexpensive combination square, I was unimpressed by the standard BORG-type plastic squares and was unable to justify quite a bit more for the Starrett model. I was intrigued by the discussion on here about the Empire squares in one review and decided to buy one. I bought the 16” version from Sears ($16 currently). I found it to be straight and square according to the “flip it and try to match your line” test, at least down to the width of my 0.7 mm mechanical pencil. What I did not know, however, was how straight the blade of the square was. It was guaranteed down to 0.001 per inch, or a maximum of 0.16 for my unit, which seemed like quite a bit of possible deviation.
For my sharpening station I recently bought a granite surface plate (Grade A – 2.4 micron deviation over the surface of the plate per the included calibration certificate) from Woodcraft, and I decided to buy a set of feeler gauges to complement the plate and examine some of my tools. I put the square on the plate and tried to put my 0.0015” leaf under the edge of the blade, and I couldn’t.
Thus, while the guaranteed deviation from straight on these units could be rather high, my tests indicate that my particular square is quite straight. The square seems to be a great value buy for those of us whose every dollar spent on tool A means a dollar less on tool B.



















9 comments so far
AaronK
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#1 posted 1446 days ago
thanks for a very good review.
Sawdust2
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#2 posted 1446 days ago
I was talking with the Starrett people at the IWF last year.
I asked them if they had any show discouints.
“Nope”
“Why not?”
“We don’t need to.”
They know their stuff.
Lee
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PurpLev
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#3 posted 1446 days ago
good review- and I have to agree. I have an Empire 12” comb-square and found it to be true and square always. I then got the 6” version as well as an all around square- and it too was square – however , I found it hard to locate a 6” square that moved smoothly – I went to 2 HD and tried ALL of them out until I found one that was acceptable. the others were very stiff to move the blade on. but I never experienced that on the 12” version. it is a good solid performer for a VERY reasonable price. period!
now I do have a starrett as my main square, and use the Empire around the house – what I notice about the differences are not so much the squareness, but more the quality of materials used, and their machining – the starett materials are thicker and machined with a better finish = smoother. This gives a heavier tool, a smoother operation, and a more reliable locking mechanism. but from my experience – not more square than the Empire.
Enjoy the square – but don’t be one! :)
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a1Jim
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#4 posted 1446 days ago
thanks for the review
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Bob
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#5 posted 1443 days ago
I too have a couple of empire squares…they are square …thx 4 the reveiw
Kindlingmaker
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#6 posted 1442 days ago
...should that be 0.016” for the length of your unit?
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Jim Crockett (USN Retired)
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#7 posted 1430 days ago
I also have a 6” Empire combination square that does not adjust smoothly. I thought mine was just an isolated case until I read PurpLev’s post above. I have emailed Empire to see if they have a ‘fix’ for the problem and will post any response received.
Jim
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Jim Crockett (USN Retired)
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#8 posted 1426 days ago
This is the response I received from Empire Level Customer Support:
Hi,
Thank you for your email. I have forwarded it on to my supervisor so that we can take a better look at the E255 6” combination square and why perhaps there is so much difficulty in adjusting those. I believe the problem is with the drawnut set. Which we do replace free to our customers. I would like to do that for you as well. Thank you for providing me with your full name and address so I know where to have the drawnut set sent. I wouldn’t say yours is an isolated case, however, we don’t have a huge amount of problems with this square. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.
I will get you a new drawnet set immediately.
Thank you and have a great day!
When I receive the drawnut set and install it, I will let you know if this corrects the problem. If so, you may want to contact Empire Level CS yourself for the “fix”.
Jim
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John Franklin
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#9 posted 138 days ago
Jim, did the drawnut help?
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