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Review by Tedstor posted 1089 days ago 2292 views 0 times favorited 10 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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For the past couple years, I have been using a 12” Swanson combination square. Its a good sqaure, but far too often I find it too big for the given application. I was constantly grabbing a 40yo Companion Try Square in order to avoid the cumbersome 12” combo sqaure. Unfortunately, the try sqaure is only graduated in 1/8s, and lacks the functionality of a combo sqare. All that said, I went to Sears in search of a smaller tool.

I often times buy tools via internet. However, measuring tools are tough to judge without actually holding them in your hand, and examining them with your eyes. So I was glad to see my local Sears had three different small CS in stock. One was some off brand garbage with an aluminum blade and plastic body. It was immediately disqualified without much thought.
The other two were a Craftsman 7” and the Empire e255 6”.
Both tools had identical bodies. And I mean identical as in they appeared to have both been made in the same foundry and built to the same specs. No complaints here. The aluminum body is decently machined and no defects can be identified. The locking screw mechanism turns smoothly and locks the blade securely. The level is fine…..as good as any I guess. One thing I really like about the body is the scriber compartment. The scriber is secured into the body with some sort of spring/friction mechanism instead of the screw threads that seem to be common on other makes/models. Definitely not a make/break feature, but I like it none-the-less. Heck, I rarely use the scribe, but maybe I’ll use it more often since this model’s is easier to install and remove. A firm pull or push is all that is needed to remove and reinstall. Nice.

Heres were the Empire and Craftsman part ways. The craftsman had a 7” steel blade with black numbering and graduation marks. I have an el cheapo sqaure with similar type markings, and it tends to wear rather quickly. The graduations were another issue. It was graduated in 1/8ths on the top of the blade on both sides. The bottom of the blade had 16ths on one side and centimeters on the other. I really prefer a measuring device be graduated in 16ths at minimum. The side with metric graduations is almost useless to me since I don’t use metric and the SAE scale was in 1/8ths (i hope that makes sense).

The Empire on the other hand was etched and graduated flawlessly. The marks are not colored, but are etched fairly deep into the stainless steel blade, so they are easy to read. Both sides of the blade have a scale graduated in 16ths. The other scales are in 1/8ths and 1/32nds, which is great. No metric here.

Both tools were made in the USA. Empire actually gets a lot of my business since many of their products are domestic and tend to meet my standards for features and quality.

So the empire came home with me, where I immediately tested it out for sqaure. I adjusted the blade several times in several different points along the blade. After each adjustment, I checked for sqaure. Zero deviations. A solid tool. And only cost $9. One of these days, after I hit the lottery, marry a supermodel, or get an unexpected inheritance I might spring for more pricey measuring tools. The Staretts sure look nice. But for now, on my budget, and at my skill level; this will get it done.




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#1 posted 1089 days ago

Just received the same square from Amazon and I too am pleased. Sometimes hanging out on these forums it’s easy to start to think you need the premium version of every tool or else it’s junk. There are bargains to be had and this is a nice quality tool at an excellent price.

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#2 posted 1088 days ago

Sears has two different versions of the Craftsman pocket combo square listed online. Mine has an etched stainless steel blade with 1/8, 1/16 and 1/32 graduations and no metric measurements. The etching is blackened which makes it very easy to read. $7.27 delivered to my door, and made in USA.

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#3 posted 1088 days ago

I have the same square as well. Mine is called the Empire True Blue. I use that square more often then any other square I have. However, mine has metric on one side that I could do without. Even though I live in Canada, I don’t use metric for measuring.

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dbhost

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#4 posted 1088 days ago

I have the same one. Mine rusted up VERY fast on the blade. It works great, just discolored really badly…

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#5 posted 1088 days ago

I love the empire combi squares. I can’t see any need to get starretts when these are perfectly square.

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#6 posted 1087 days ago

I have 3 of the 6” Empire combination squares, a 7”, and a 12”. One of the 6” squares stays in my apron pocket … the others lurk around the bench, table saw, etc.

Starrett Tools are first rate, and I take nothing away from them. But the Empire measuring tools I have suit my purposes extremely well at a fraction of the price. Plus, I am a bit of a ‘homer’ ... Empire Level is headquartered in Mukwonago, Wisconsin.

—Gerry

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#7 posted 1087 days ago

I have that and the 12”..they are great but somehow the level vial on the small one leaked..other than that I use both all the time.

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#8 posted 1087 days ago

I will buy one to replace my currently cheap one.

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#9 posted 487 days ago

Love mine. I eased the sharp corners off to make it nicer to handle.

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#10 posted 329 days ago

I too have this square and have been happy with it. Picked out from Amazon based on the price/good reviews there and use it more than any other measuring tool. Great value.

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