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Behlen Water Base Grain Filler (Mahogany)... Its PINK!

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Review by spaids posted 10-18-2010 04:46 PM 5463 views 0 times favorited 18 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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As a grain filler I have to say that I believe it will do the job. As a Mahogany grain filler I think this is some kind of a joke. Its absolutely pink. Even less natural looking than it appears in the photo. That stirring stick was a scrap of white oak and its sitting on mahogany. Why on earth would I want to fill mahogany grain with a pink filler?

Because of the color, this product is a FAIL.

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#1 posted 10-18-2010 04:57 PM

Spaids,
Did you by any chance contact Behlen and ask their logic as to the color …or if it is some kind of mfg error?
Roger

-- "Everybody makes mistakes. A craftsman always fixes them." (Monty Kennedy, "The Checkering and Carving of Gunstocks", 1952)

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#2 posted 10-18-2010 05:30 PM

I sanded a test board after applying the behlens but did not bother finishing it any further due to the color. I have contacted Behlen but was asked to leave my contact information and am waiting for a reply. I plan to return to woodcraft in St. Louis on the way home and see what they are willing to do about this. As active as lumberjocks is I hope that some one who has used this exact product before might chime in with their experience.

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#3 posted 10-18-2010 06:42 PM

also, are you supposed to sand this down so that it fills just the pores?

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#4 posted 10-18-2010 06:43 PM

oops sorry, looks like you did that. well – maybe you should continue sanding it?

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#5 posted 10-18-2010 07:02 PM

Maybe I should just keep sanding until its all gone. :)

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#6 posted 10-18-2010 07:30 PM

Spaids,
Sounds like you got some of their new formula grain filler. I just did some research and have found others complaining of the new salmon color. Here’s a link at TDPRI (a Telecaster forum) where they are discussing it. http://www.tdpri.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-219863.html
I’ve got about 1/3 of an old can that I’ve had for years. It used to be darker. A buddy of mine recently dyed his grain filler dark brown before applying it. Looked like an unholy mess when he was working with it but the finished product turned out fantastic. I’ll try to dig up the photographs he took of the process.

In any case, I would take a scrap of mahogany and apply it, let it dry, and sand it back to see the results. If it still looks bad take the sample in to Woodcraft and show them why you aren’t happy. They should refund your money if they wish to keep a valued customer. In this economy you have to treat your customers right.

I would recommend Bartley’s grain filler but I hear the company that made it has gone out of business. : (

-- Al, Culpeper VA

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#7 posted 10-18-2010 07:40 PM

Wow its that color on PURPOSE? I thought surely any second someone would say “oh that happened to me once and it was a defect”. Well there’s $20 out the window.

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#8 posted 10-18-2010 09:03 PM

I’m with Barry. I don’t think you can give a final judgement until you sand and apply a finish. It might be one of those “magical” final steps. That being said, I have “dark brown” finish that I bought for use on walnut. I never made it to the wood filling phase because I decided not to try and use wood filler on a curved surface project, but I did notice that when dried, it looked like dry mud on a truck after offroading. Hardly the “dark” color I was expecting.

I wish I had better advice than to say try it before reaching a final conclusion.

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#9 posted 10-18-2010 10:05 PM

I have never used it. I am certainly interested in that magical moment after the full finish.
I don’t think a clear finish would change the color much.

-- Abbas, Castro Valley, CA

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#10 posted 10-19-2010 12:17 AM

lanwater, you’ve never seen how things change color when wet?

-- Derek, Bremerton WA --

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#11 posted 10-19-2010 01:06 AM

When wet sure but not that dramatic. Definitely not from mahagony to pink.

-- Abbas, Castro Valley, CA

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#12 posted 10-19-2010 02:54 AM

I agree with Barry on trying the full finish. Just as an example most ceiling paints are tinted pink so you can see where you have painted and then it dries white. This filler may do the same after applying a top coat.

-- My job is to give my kids things to discuss with their therapist....medic20447@gmail.com

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#13 posted 10-19-2010 02:44 PM

Follow up with Behlen:

If you contact Behlen with a usage question about a product you will be directed to a man named Phillip. He is a nice guy and also open and honest which I greatly appreciate. He told me “yea they are all kind of a milky pastel color. I don’t know who picked that color but I guess its supposed to blend in with raw mahogany.”

Ok well the product isn’t defective then. Ideally Philip would have reassured me about the products use despite the odd color but that’s a bit of a stretch to say on the phone I guess. I told told him I planned to return it to the store and he said to let him know if I have any trouble with that. He is a nice guy but giving me an education on the use of the product wasn’t what he was there for so I’m on my own whether to use this stuff or not.

On the merit of Barry’s logic I’m gonna go through with testing this stuff. I do not believe there is a time limit on editing a review so if it works out I will revise. Part of my concern is the time crunch I’ve got myself in for finishing this project and trying a finish that I’ve never attempted before. I realize this is my own fault but man, if the stuff would have just been brown. :)

I think they should consider something on the label to prepare you for the shock of the pink color.

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#14 posted 10-19-2010 02:51 PM

I’m so glad someone found this out also! I built a red oak desk using this very grain filler since the guy at Woodcraft recommended it.

Red oak desk

I was highly disappointed in the pink color as well. I applied it with a bondo plastic spreader and sanded it flat after it dried (creates a lot of nasty fine pink dust). I applied shellac, a GF espresso stain, and then GF java stain and there wasn’t much pink left after that. If the light hits the finish at the right angle, some areas do have a pink haze which I’m kinda disappointed in. I should’ve used a different filler after a couple test boards but I was tight on time and it didn’t turn out too badly. I didn’t try a plain varnish on top though. I can’t imagine it looking good.

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#15 posted 10-19-2010 03:49 PM

Hey Spaids, been there, done that. :-)

I used that as a grain filler on a mahogany interior bay window sill and on the panels of a an exterior Sapele side gate I made recently which you can view in my projects. Look at the last picture and you’ll see that the panel isn’t pink. I agree it is a bit disconcerting when you see it in the can and even more so when you put it on the wood, but as CessnaPilotBarry says, complete your finishing process on a test piece and I think you’ll find it works out fine. It did for me.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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