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Jack plane for starters

by David
posted 08-16-2017 06:13 PM


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JCamp

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#1 posted 08-16-2017 06:20 PM

Others will surely weigh in but id recommend a Stanley Bailey #5. Shouldn’t be too expensive. For a $100 you could probably get a nice 4 5 and 6 as long as you don’t mind restoring them.
Worth mentioning that you should probably stay away from the Stanley handyman line of planes. Ive never owned one but most folks don’t like them
I think Sergeants, Miller falls and Winchester are also good brands

-- Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with all thy might

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WayneC

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#2 posted 08-16-2017 06:21 PM

Get a vintage Stanley #4 or #5. Look for one with a patent date behind the frog.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/STANLEY-No-4-C-CORROGATED-SMOOTHING-PLANE-/162622313644?hash=item25dd0b94ac:g:4IUAAOSwutFZiSNn

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#3 posted 08-16-2017 06:23 PM

Some good info on Time Tested Tools.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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David

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#4 posted 08-16-2017 06:32 PM

I would rather get something new. Any suggestion, I don’t think I am able to restore these due to my lack of experience at this time.

-- David Tab

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WayneC

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#5 posted 08-16-2017 06:36 PM

It is not hard to restore and sub $100 new planes may cause you more frustration than than you think. Sharpening can be done on a flat surface such as a table saw or float glass.

The one I linked above would not need restoration. Sharpen and go…

Actually let me find you a video.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#6 posted 08-16-2017 06:38 PM

OK. Thanks.

-- David Tab

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#7 posted 08-16-2017 06:38 PM

I would also argue for a smoothing plane before Jack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYyV6IUpsYk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE4yVgdVW7s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6PTOyUyczM

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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jmartel

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#8 posted 08-16-2017 06:41 PM


I would rather get something new. Any suggestion, I don t think I am able to restore these due to my lack of experience at this time.

- David

If you want new, Woodriver is about as low of a price as I’d go. Avoid new Stanley planes.

https://www.woodcraft.com/products/woodriver-5-bench-hand-plane-v3

Better quality would be Lie-Nielsen.

https://www.lie-nielsen.com/product/standard-bench-planes/no.-5-jack-plane-?node=4171

You could also do bevel-up style from either Lie-Nielsen or Lee Valley
https://www.lie-nielsen.com/product/bench-planes/low-angle-jack-plane?node=4065
http://www.leevalley.com/us/Wood/page.aspx?p=49708&cat=1,41182,52515

If you don’t want to spend the money above, then you’re going to have to look vintage.

-- The quality of one's woodworking is directly related to the amount of flannel worn.

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Loren

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#9 posted 08-16-2017 06:49 PM

Record makes a jack plane for about $100.

Grizzly makes one for about $40.

I assume the Grizzly is rough around the edges.

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hotbyte

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#10 posted 08-16-2017 06:53 PM

I had a couple of old planes, Stanley #3 and Miller Falls #4) than I had tried to “restore” with terrible results. So, I bought a new Woodriver #5-1/2, a combo Norten water stone and el-cheapo sharpening jig/guide. With it, I was able to gain better knowledge of how a sharp, good setup plane felt and worked. The Woodcraft store manager spent some time with me doing initial setup on it. I also picked up a low angle block plane that he helped me with.

I’ve since gotten the Miller Falls tuned to decent shape. Someone here gave had tips on getting the chip breaker tuned which helped a lot. The depth adjustment knob has a lot of backlash and, when engaged, is very sensitive. So, it works better but I’m not yet happy with it.

The #3 has broken lateral adjustment and other issues, so I’ve not really worked on it anymore.

And, I wanted a jointer so I bought one from DonW at Time Tested Tools (see link in reply above). I as able to reassemble it, get it tweaked/tuned and it has been working great.

DonW does a great job restoring/reselling old planes. But, I think the experience I gained from having the Woodriver has allowed me to make best of my use with the #7 from him.

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Andre

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#11 posted 08-16-2017 07:00 PM

Stanley # 4 and or #5 and a good block plane, 60 1/2. The planes will only be as good as the blades in them so learn how to sharpen them. Check out Bertha’s blog on sharpening.

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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#12 posted 08-16-2017 07:23 PM

Thanks all.

-- David Tab

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#13 posted 08-16-2017 07:37 PM

The problem with restoring a plane is that you cannot do it if you don’t know how a properly tuned plane should feel. I would recommend getting an already tuned vintage #4 or #5 (the #5 is more versatile, but the #4 is better suited to cutting boards). There are probably some people on this forum who would sell you a working-condition plane for a reasonable price. I know that Don @ http://www.timetestedtools.net/ is a member of LJ and sells restored/repaired planes on his site. Some of them are tuned and ready to work right away (and he indicates which ones are already in good working condition).

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#14 posted 08-16-2017 08:13 PM

David, let me be the voice of experience! Don’t buy and restore an older Stanley!!! It will lead you down the road to a serious addiction! It will cause you to spend serious hours and dollars buying them and learning everything there is out there in the world about them. I’m certain you have many better things to do with your life. Heed my words of warning!!!

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TheFridge

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#15 posted 08-16-2017 08:21 PM

I have a Stanley 4 & 5 to be restored that will be looking for a home soon.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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David

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#16 posted 08-16-2017 08:35 PM

Thanks BurlyBob. Before I read your posts I placed a bid on this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/STANLEY-No-4-C-CORROGATED-SMOOTHING-PLANE-/162622313644?hash=item25dd0b94ac:g:4IUAAOSwutFZiSNn
God knows what I got myself into. Who knows I might learn something from this experience. $50 it was worth a try.

-- David Tab

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David

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#17 posted 08-16-2017 08:36 PM

I also watched this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EWXg9Y6_TU

I can do this, maybe!!!

-- David Tab

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TheFridge

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#18 posted 08-16-2017 10:54 PM

It’s worth 50$.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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David

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#19 posted 08-24-2017 01:58 PM

Hello,

I know I might be asking too much but I was wondering if could assist me to find another vintage planer. I keep getting outbid on ebay for the planer. There are plenty on ebay put I don’t know which one is good.

Thanks

-- David Tab

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Tim

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#20 posted 08-24-2017 02:16 PM

David, definitely not asking too much, people here like to help good vintage tools get saved and put to use. You can post the auctions you’re considering, but you might increase your competition that way. But better yet, it’s likely that there are some LJs that sell tools that have a jointer for you. You’d reduce your risk a lot compared to eBay by buying from them. You could post in the trade and swap forum saying what you’re looking for and you’re likely to get responses and a fair deal.

Also, update us on the one you got. Do you have it working well yet? If not, post pictures and ask away, we’ll have it taking sweet curly shavings in no time.

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#21 posted 08-24-2017 02:20 PM



Others will surely weigh in but id recommend a Stanley Bailey #5. Shouldn t be too expensive. For a $100 you could probably get a nice 4 5 and 6 as long as you don t mind restoring them.

- JCamp


So… I read it all the time – you can get a bunch of planes for a buck. In reality the planes you mentioned go on ebay for not so much less than new. Is there a secret plane place everyone knows about besides me ?

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David

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#22 posted 08-24-2017 02:52 PM

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#23 posted 08-24-2017 03:08 PM

Forget about ebay and just buy from Don (LJ on here that sells tools).

http://www.timetestedtools.net/items-for-sale/timetestedtools-item-7/

-- The quality of one's woodworking is directly related to the amount of flannel worn.

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Vindex

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#24 posted 08-24-2017 03:45 PM

As I said earlier, Don’s site is probably your best bet for finding a good first plane. Also, the Fridge sounded like he would sell you a tuned #4 or #5.

You will have one heck of a time tuning a first plane by yourself, so buy one that is already in good working condition as your first plane. After you know what a tuned plane feels like, you can buy subsequent planes on ebay and restore them.

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David

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#25 posted 08-24-2017 03:47 PM

Thanks

-- David Tab

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Vindex

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#26 posted 08-24-2017 03:53 PM

Carloz, I have found that ebay auctions that end on federal holidays (such as Labor Day Weekend) have much lower winning bids. I got my type 11 Stanley #4 on Ebay 2 years ago during Labor Day weekend for $32, and I saw others go even cheaper that weekend.

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Bluenote38

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#27 posted 08-24-2017 04:04 PM



I would rather get something new. Any suggestion, I don t think I am able to restore these due to my lack of experience at this time.

- David

You can get a #4 or #5 on eBay and not have to restore anything just sharpen it.

#4 is my Go To plane followed by the No. 5

There’s a nice No. 5 on eBay with 8hrs to go on the auction and it’s holding at $11.50 (tote damage but a good user) or BIN for $40-$60

No. 4 up with 9hrs left at $35 and no bids and it is in collector’s condition.

No. 6’s are up for $9 to $45 BIN in the $50 – $70 range.

-- Bill - Rochester MI

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Loren

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#28 posted 08-24-2017 04:06 PM

It seems ebay sellers have got optimistic about
plane values en-masse and it has affected the
overall market. The changes at ebay that have
reduced the costs of listing items as “Buy it now”
indefinitely has certainly wrought a change in
the way sellers price items. When I started buying
planes on ebay in the late 90s there were a lot of
bargains to be found. Back in those days if you
were selling, the best approach was to list to close
on a Sunday so weekend searchers would see your
listings. Also, watchers would be more attracted
to no-reserve listings and values were much more
a result of what the market was willing to pay on
a given day, just like a regular auction house auction.

I’m not picky about a cracked tote, surface rust,
brown patina, a dull iron. If you insist on buying
shiny old tools, you’ll be paying for somebody’s
time on a buffing machine to make them that
way. Bench planes have a substantial learning
curve to their use and when you’re just starting
out using them you’re unlikely to get shimmering
surfaces that don’t require sanding. To get those
surfaces requires an understanding of sharpening
and tuning the planes. However, even if the
cuts are a little rough, planes are still very useful
in dimensioning and fitting pieces of wood and
to do that the plane doesn’t have to be flawlessly
tuned or sharpened.

There are a few off-brands like Craftsman planes
that offer good value in usable planes. A few
years back I bought a Craftsman knuckle-joint
block plane with an adjustable mouth on ebay
for about $5. I knew I wanted a knuckle joint
plane and had noticed the Craftsman ones weren’t
selling for the premium Stanley’s were getting.
I do like the Stanley design a little better – I
already had one with a fixed mouth – but it seemed
a comparable Stanley pattern one was going to
sell for about 10x what I paid for the Craftsman.

Searching for “smooth plane” instead of by
size numbers may yield some overlooked listings.
You can also use a subtractive search on ebay
by putting a minus in front of a word you want to
have eliminated, so a search for “jack plane -5”
will pull up listings where “no. 5” isn’t included in
the title. Searching ended listings using these
methods will pull up some tools closing at
surprisingly low prices.

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Dustin

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#29 posted 08-24-2017 06:51 PM

Yeah, I’m going to recommend Don at TimeTestedTools as well. Got a great block plane from him a couple weeks ago, already ordered my second plane (a Trustworthy-Sargent made 408). It begins…

-- "Ladies, if your husband says he'll get to it, he'll get to it. No need to remind him about it every 6 months."

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HorizontalMike

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#30 posted 08-24-2017 07:44 PM

This is what I started out with in the way of hand planes. The old wooden jointer was passed down to me in the family.

The four on the left are what is really needed for learning hand planing IMO:
  • A #92 or #93 Stanley shoulder plane
  • A low angle block plane (mine was WoodRiver)
  • A #4 smoothing plane—even though I collect and restore Sargent planes, this WoodRiver #4 is great to pick up skills with. Important to note, this plane has much thicker blade and cap iron. That results in less/reduced chatter and better planing, particularly when adjusting the plane for super thin cuts/passes.
  • A #6 fore plane. This Sargent #418 was also a family pass down and my FIRST Sargent plane. Great for flattening reasonably small projects boards. I ended up putting a thicker HOCK blade on it and eliminated the chatter and just love its enhanced abilities.

.
.
. WARNING —Be careful about building up your number of hand planes… It can be very addictive!
My Sargent Collection is below, though I have even MORE now… ;-)

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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Vindex

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#31 posted 09-04-2017 01:50 AM

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TheFridge

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#32 posted 09-04-2017 02:28 AM

I have a couple freshly refurbished and available. PM me if interested or for more pics. 2 #4s and 2 #5s available.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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corelz125

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#33 posted 09-04-2017 06:04 PM

For jointing you can get a #6, Don has a couple for sale now.

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TheFridge

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#34 posted 09-05-2017 02:03 AM

You can get something on eBay worth messing with for 25-35$ total. You take the chance of being burned for the cheap ones but for the most part they should be ok. I had a #5 I bought that had a cracked cheek under the crust. It’s probably the outlier but you have to be vigilant and not jump on the cheapest thing. Triple check pics.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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frankpino

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#35 posted 09-10-2017 03:47 AM

Check out Paul Sellers site on setting up/sharpening/restoring/using bench planes.

-- Frank

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