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Craftsman 113 for $300?

by therest
posted 08-16-2017 03:44 AM


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bandit571

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#1 posted 08-16-2017 04:04 AM

Maybe for the seller…I’d offer them about half that.

They are very good saws….

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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jimintx

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#2 posted 08-16-2017 04:29 AM

Some people think the used tool prices in their area apply all over the country. I can say from a long time of personal experience, the market around Houston is not as soft for tools as it apparently is in some other places. Decent stuff is very hard to find, and even crappy stuff is overpriced.

If that saw is in good shape it will do well, and it has some good accessories. Maybe you can get it for a lower offer. It is always worth the effort to negotiate as well as you can.

-- Jim, Houston, TX

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therest

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#3 posted 08-16-2017 05:31 AM

Bandit571, thanks. He’s brought the price down a bit.

Jim, I feel the same way too. Most table saws, and probably most tools, are priced very close to new if not more considering inflation. He has brought the price down to $250. What are some tips in inspecting a table saw’s condition?

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MrUnix

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#4 posted 08-16-2017 05:48 AM

Around here, that is a $100 saw… keep in mind that you probably miss 99% of the good deals, so what you are seeing are not :)

Notice that the saw in question has sat out there for two weeks already… there is your hint.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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Gilley23

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#5 posted 08-16-2017 06:06 AM

Make sure that the blade lowers and raises all the way and that it tilts from 90°-45° with normal effort (no binding).
Inspect the belt for cracks and the condition of the saw’s blade. (Just something to look for to possibly help negotiate the price down)
Power up the saw and listen to it, it should be smooth running. Any clicks or bumps could indicate that it needs new arbor bearings.
Cut a piece wood with it to check for overall condition
Inspect the power cord and plug end
Check the mobile base

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#6 posted 08-16-2017 10:13 AM

Hello therest, that saw sold for 359.00 when it was new. It will cut wood, but, I’d hold out for a Delta contractor saw an older model. Craftsman was made for the weekend woodworker, in the 40’s and 50’s they were a much beefier product and stood up well. If you feel you have to buy this one, I’d offer 125.00 and keep looking if he declines. You’ll find a big difference between a older Delta or Powermatic product than Craftsman. Just my opinion but, when you have quality equipment it seems to instill a desire to do quality work. Have fun, make some dust.

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JCamp

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#7 posted 08-16-2017 11:01 AM

To me the $300 is to much if it was just the saw. I paid $90 for mine with a factory fence but since that saw has probably a $200 vega fence the higher price is somewhat justified. To me the 250 doesn’t sound like to bad of a price especially if things are lean in your area. U wont find a new one that comes close for that price or even a $100 more.
Also I upgraded to my 113 from a cheap direct drive delta and the 113 is SOOOO much better. Im sure a unisaw will out cut the craftsman but the price will be that much higher too plus itll be 240Volt and not a 120v
If I was you id bite the bullet and buy the saw. You can always negotiate the price some more when you get there to look it over

-- Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with all thy might

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#8 posted 08-16-2017 11:25 AM

I think $300 for that saw with the Vega fence is a fair price. Can’t hurt to offer closer to $250, or ask to include the mobile base. The Vega fence is excellent, has the blade guard, metal handwheels and grated cast wings. It’s the same basic saw as the Emerson Ridgid contractor saws, but with a better fence. I’d make an offer if it checks out.

If that one doesn’t pan out, here’s another option:
Looks like a 315 Craftsman contractor saw with cast router wing and upgraded fence – https://houston.craigslist.org/tls/d/craftsman-tablesaw/6247650505.html (asking $275)

Here’s another that could be worth a look if you can get the price down. Has the upgraded fence and solid cast wings, but also has some surface rust….that should clean up well, but is a good negotiating point. ~ $250
https://houston.craigslist.org/tls/d/craftsman-10-inch-table-saw/6211400338.html

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Bluenote38

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#9 posted 08-16-2017 11:35 AM

$100 unless it’s got the extended 24/24XL fence and cast iron wings. Then as much as $250. It’s a good saw for a non-production home shop and will serve you will for years and more bang for your buck esp with the upgrade fence and wings. It is not however a 3HP or 5HP Cabinet saw then again you are paying 75% to 90% less.

Things to look at are 1) run out – does the arbor spin true. the norm for these saws are about .007” you’ll need a dial indicator to find out 2) bearing wear – if it was actually used the bearings may be worn. Grab the blade (UNPLUG the saw) wiggle it. It should be tight if not you’ll need to replace the bearings or look for a different saw. 3) belt wear – this will give you an indication of how much life the saw may have left. Worn belt = Worn saw 4) Blade parallel to the miter slot you – this will give you some insight into the trunnion condition and you will need either a dial indicator or a combination square and feeler gauges. About .003-.007 difference front to back on a fully raised 10” blade. (you are looking for 0.000” here but you can adjust it) 5) Crank the blade up and down fully and then 0 to 45 and back 6) how does it sound Remove the belt and had spin the blade You shouldn’t hear the bearings. Then hand spin the motor – same thing. Then run the saw with and without a load. You shouldn’t hear any weird sounds. Btw I usually bring my own blade – it’s easier for me to judge the sound and cut.

If you’re only paying $100 you really can’t be too picky. If you’re looking at $350 break out the fine tooth comb and look at everything. ~~ Good luck

Btw – looks like Gilley23 covered most of this

-- Bill - Rochester MI

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therest

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#10 posted 08-16-2017 01:19 PM

Thanks everyone.

knotscott, thanks for the finds. I had seen those, but they are quite a ways from me. The one i’m interested is quite a drive itself actually as well.

Bluenote38, man those are some great and specific tips.

I think the deals some of you find are very hard to come by. I’ve been looking on all selling media outlets constantly for a good week now. This is the trend in my area as far as pricing goes.

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#11 posted 08-16-2017 01:38 PM

With the after market fence $250 is a fair price for that saw. The fence makes it into a good saw.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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ArtMann

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#12 posted 08-17-2017 12:01 AM

I owned a Craftsman table saw almost exactly like that one but with steel wings. It gave good service but the fence was very hard to adjust accurately. I gave mine to a friend but if I were trying to sell it, I would ask $150 with the upgraded fence.. That is what I believe it is worth.

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therest

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#13 posted 08-17-2017 02:00 PM

Thanks guys. I’m wondering if everyone saying it’s worth 125-150 realize what type of fence is on it.

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#14 posted 08-17-2017 02:42 PM

When I read the title of the thread, I thought to myself, “No way! Unless it has an aftermarket fence and the webbed cast iron wings.” Lo and behold…

I have a much older Craftsman 113 with a Vega Pro 40 fence. I’m very happy with it. The fence alone was $250.

-- Tony, SW Chicago Suburbs

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jimintx

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#15 posted 08-17-2017 03:17 PM

It is mostly a mistake to ask questions on LJ about what a used tool is worth. The real answer is always related to the real question, “What is it worth to me?” That incorporates what you want, what you like, what you know, and where you are.

I’d take that saw and its accessories for $250-$300 all day long before I paid for a plastic-based portable saw of modern manufacture. But that is my opinion. I had an early version of that saw, with its original cr*ppy fence for two decades and used it will great success – before spending the “big bucks” 17 years ago for a 3HP cabinet saw (it’s a Unisaw).

-- Jim, Houston, TX

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JCamp

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#16 posted 08-17-2017 05:29 PM

Id say over 50% of the active wood workers on this site either own a craftsman 113 or have owned one in the past. Thatll give you an idea of their popularity. Ive also heard of folks having one as a regular table saw and one set up as a dado saw.
The motors are about the only thing I have heard about going bad on them. There a few forums on the net where ppl restore them to better than new or upgrade the belts and pulleys to get rid of any vibration.

-- Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with all thy might

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therest

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#17 posted 08-17-2017 05:44 PM

JCamp, can the motor changed out to say, a universal one?

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MrUnix

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#18 posted 08-17-2017 05:59 PM

JCamp, can the motor changed out to say, a universal one?
- therest

No. And you certainly would not want to do so even if you could. It can be swapped out with another induction motor fairly easily though.

There is nothing wrong with the motors. Manufacturers do not make the motors, they buy them from a company that does, such as Marathon, Leeson, Baldor, etc… The exception is many of the current imports (Grizzly in particular) are using motors made overseas with cheap parts (ie: bearings).

An induction motor, properly maintained, will last several lifetimes. The problem is that very few actually take the time or effort to take care of them. Also, a lot of the lower end Craftsman table saws used motors with sleeve bearings instead of ball bearings – which are marginally cheaper to produce. The good news is that a sleeve bearing will actually last a lot longer (almost indefinitely) than ball bearings – as long as you take care of them properly, which involves putting some oil in there at proper intervals. Otherwise, sleeve bearings will self destruct much faster than a ball bearing.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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JCamp

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#19 posted 08-17-2017 06:17 PM

Therest – Don’t over think the motor comment. If it runs good don’t let what someday “might happen” bother you. Whatever car you are driving will some day have something go wrong with it but you don’t fret about it every time you drive it… You may not even own the car when something happens to it.
If the worst would happen and the motor goes out there are plenty on ebay or figure out the RPMs and buy one from Harbor freight or something like that. Or rebuild it yourself
My vote is go look it over. If its in good shape haggle a little (250 is fair though) and buy it if you want a good wood working saw. It wont have the power of Jimintx 3hp unisaw but it also is not going to cost a $1000+ and cause you to rewire ur shop to accommodate it.

-- Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with all thy might

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therest

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#20 posted 08-17-2017 06:21 PM

Thanks guys. With that said about rewiring a shop. I do have a 220V in my car garage which is where I will be using it. I’m just not sure if it is on it’s on breaker since the dryer is on the opposite side of that wall. Either way, thanks for the advice guys. I’m scheduling to pick up the saw today. Looking forward to it.

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MrUnix

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#21 posted 08-17-2017 06:23 PM

It wont have the power of Jimintx 3hp unisaw but it also is not going to cost a $1000+ and cause you to rewire ur shop to accommodate it.
- JCamp

<grin>

If you play your cards right, you can get a Unisaw (or PM66, or PM72, or Delta 12/14, or….) for less than that Craftsman saws asking price :)

But you will need 240v available – which will be the case for just about any saw over about 1.5hp

Cheers,
Brad

PS: There are Unisaws out there with motors that will run on 120v, but they are not as common

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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therest

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#22 posted 08-17-2017 06:30 PM

MrUnix,

I’m fairly new to this and of course new to the market of used tools but that just doesn’t seem to be the case for my area. Nothing comes close to the price of the Craftsman I’m looking at. Check these listings.

https://houston.craigslist.org/tls/d/table-saw-rockwell-unisaw-10/6258894750.html

https://houston.craigslist.org/tls/d/woodworking-and-shop-tools/6248560887.html

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MrUnix

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#23 posted 08-17-2017 06:49 PM

I’m fairly new to this and of course new to the market of used tools but that just doesn’t seem to be the case for my area. Nothing comes close to the price of the Craftsman I’m looking at. Check these listings.
- therest

That first Unisaw looks to be a completely restored machine (note the non-Delta paint color) and would be better than new, and the second one is a 5hp beast. Those are pretty typical prices for a vast majority of areas (including mine), not just yours. But the real problem is:

I’ve been looking on all selling media outlets constantly for a good week now.

As I said, “If you play your cards right”. That involves patience and persistence, not just taking a snapshot of what is available at the moment. The best time to find the really great deals is when you don’t have a pressing need. Since you are getting that C-man, you will have a saw to use and can keep an eye out for a better deal. When you find it, jump on it, and sell your C-man for roughly the same price you paid for it. The good deals last maybe an hour or two, so take note of OWWM rule #5 :)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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jimintx

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#24 posted 08-18-2017 12:46 PM

I want to make sure it is clear that my point was that a similar craftsman table saw served my Dad, and then me, very well for 30+ years.
It was only replaced when I got the urge for an upgrade and was lucky to be able to afford it, but that C’man saw was still running and cutting just fine when I sold it.

Good luck to “therest”. Have fun, and always be safe.

-- Jim, Houston, TX

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Mentoya

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#25 posted 08-18-2017 01:54 PM

I agree with Jim. You are just getting started. A good deal on that fence and saw,which you will upgrade in a few years IF you get more serious and detailed. As far as extended tables go,that is just a good starter project you can use to learn & practice.You can also make them more custom the your shop and fit your space better.

You can look for a better deal for years and always find another,but getting started is idea. And the fun!

Mentoya

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