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Take the LJ Integrity Pledge

by PG_Zac
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#1 posted 1607 days ago

Sounds good to me.


-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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#2 posted 1607 days ago

I second that..

-- Tim, Missouri ....Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what the heck happened

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#3 posted 1607 days ago

sounds good to me. but the “inspired by another” is got a lot of gray area. like i saw a picture in fine woodworking and the technical detailed with it and applied it to something completely different. I would consider this original. and my kitchen cabinets I consider 100% original, even though they are standard 24” base with full overlay blah blah blah.

If I tried to duplicate a fellow LJ’ers work and gave it a twist of my own, I would consider this “inspired by”.

-- measure once, keep cuttin' til it fits

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#4 posted 1607 days ago

I agree. Wholeheartedly.

-- Chip ----------- 6:8

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#5 posted 1607 days ago

I will take that pledge with pride.

-- A hammer dangling from a wall will bang and sound like work when the wind blows the right way.

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#6 posted 1607 days ago

I agree.

-- Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Wood Works

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#7 posted 1607 days ago

i’m in .

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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#8 posted 1607 days ago

“Why should I give you a sample of my DNA when I’m not accused of any crime?”

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#9 posted 1607 days ago

Do I have to hold one hand up? Maybe right hand up left hand on a piece of 1/4 sawn white oak while you recite it?


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#10 posted 1607 days ago

That is a most reasonable approach.
I agree with enthusiasm.

-- "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." Voltaire

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#11 posted 1607 days ago

I agree as well.

-- Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful- Joshua Marine

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#12 posted 1607 days ago

I agree

-- Don

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#13 posted 1607 days ago

works for me,
im allergic to the drama that accompanies trying to screw other people over.

-- - Jei, Rockford IL - When in doubt, spray it with WD-40 and wrap it with duct tape. The details will attend to themselves.

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#14 posted 1607 days ago

I second that emotion.

[grew up in Motown…..]

-- -- Neil

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#15 posted 1607 days ago

Sure, count me in

--, Making design and application one. †

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#16 posted 1607 days ago

I’m good with this.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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#17 posted 1607 days ago

Personally, I’m not into pledges. Actions speak louder than words and I’ll let mine speak for me.

As to “inspired by another,” I agree with hazbro that it’s a very grey area. In fact, I’d go so far as to say (as I did in that other thread) that none of us is original. We have a long, endless list of others’ work that has inspired us.

I don’t claim to have any original ideas and know enough to realize that even if I think it’s original to me, someone, somewhere else, thought of it, too.

Unless you’re straight up copying another person’s work, down to the design and details, I just don’t see the need for giving credit. I think it’s totally up the individual person to decide if they want to credit someone for an idea. If you want to say, “I made this because I was so inspired by so-and-so’s thingamajig. Thanks to so-and-so for giving me the idea,” that’s totally up to you.

Is that polite. Yes. Is it necessary, no. Someone recently credited me for the idea for his sacrificial fence clamps. You know, I thought it was nice, but I wouldn’t give it a second thought if he never said anything. 1, because I stole the idea from Rockler and 2, because who care… my ego’s intact enough to survive it. :-)

I certainly don’t think we should think less of someone for not giving credit for “inspiration.”

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#18 posted 1607 days ago

I sure don’t need a pledge to know these things and I think everyone pretty much follows this already. There is also a verse tugging at my memory..

Ecclesiastes 1:9

What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

(The verse is used courtesy of Qohelet son of David).

-- Ohh mann...pancakes and boobies...I'll bet that's what Heaven is like! ♣ ♣ ♣ ♣

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#19 posted 1607 days ago

There are 29,000+ projects exhibited in Lumberjocks.
Should we examine each one before posting a project of our own, lest we be accused of not giving credit where credit is due? It’s a slippery slope, and it starts with a pledge.
By the way, this whole ‘pledge’ concept has nothing whatsoever to do with some pirate stealing our project postings. And it certainly isn’t going to do anything to prevent piracy.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#20 posted 1607 days ago

What is the big deal the ones he takes the name of the LJ is still posted so cedit to the LJ!

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#21 posted 1607 days ago

Yep, yep, and yep…..

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#23 posted 1607 days ago

I agree.

-- jstegall

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#24 posted 1607 days ago


-- Methods are many,Principles are few.Methods change often,Principles never do.

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#25 posted 1607 days ago

I’m in

-- Bob,Fort Worth Texas

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#26 posted 1607 days ago

I agree

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#27 posted 1607 days ago

I’m in. I know I’m inspired by what I see. I whole-heartedly admit to copying another’s idea. But anything I make is mine and different from that which inspired it. I doubt I could begin to remember where every idea came from that I wanted to try myself. But that’s not even in the same ballpark as copying a pic of someone else’s work and passing it off as your own on another site. That is theft IMHO.

-- Robert - Haven Wood Crafts

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#28 posted 1607 days ago

I agree.

-- Glen Making sawdust in Alamo, CA

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#29 posted 1607 days ago

A box is a box. You make it your way and it is your box design. Just because it has a top a bottom and 4 sides (or maybe three or seven) and some hinges, you don’t need to credit the guy who made the first box.
Just be honest. Besides, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, or so I have heard.

I’m in. I would not have it any other way.

-- Michael Murphy, Woodland, CA.

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#30 posted 1607 days ago

I totally agree..but am inspired on a daily basis by the craftsmanship and creativity on here..was always bothered when i was framing..when i would here homeowners say they just built a 10,000sq. ft. pad in malibu..and not ever mention all the different tradesman ,architects engineers..Drove me nuts..

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#31 posted 1607 days ago

My pledge is to my God and my Country. Both decry theft. That is good enough for me!

-- gjd Southcentral Wisconsin

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#32 posted 1607 days ago

I am in also.

I thought that was how we were supposed to operate!!

-- Bob K. East Northport, NY

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#33 posted 1607 days ago

My momma taught me integrity a long time ago and it has held all these many years. So I guess I’m in by default.

-- Making Sawdust Safely

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#34 posted 1607 days ago

Bureaucrat summed up what I wanted to say quite well.

-- My workshop blog can be found at

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#35 posted 1607 days ago

I’m in.

-- Branum

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#36 posted 1607 days ago

I’m in. This is a ‘given.’ Shouldn’t even be necessary.


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#37 posted 1607 days ago

So pledged, I guess… but I don’t really see what the fuss is about…
I’m thinking of how long the list would be, if I gave credit to everyone involved in one of my Projects!! How about the guy who invented the Twist Drill or the Hammer?... Or the Shaker Woman credited with inventing the Table Saw?... or…?
How about giving some credit to the Creator, who made us creative in the first place and who created the Wood, for us to use in our creations?!
We learn from others our whole lives and pass on what we’ve learned to yet others… and so it goes…
If some Clown is out there claiming to have made our projects, there’s not much new there either. Liars and cheats have been around as long as I can remember… and are usually discovered, some later, some sooner…
I’d love to be a fly on the wall when the guy gets an order for one of our projects… and has to make it himself!! ;-)

-- Mike in Concord, NH---Unpleasant tasks are simply worthy challenges to improve skills.

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#38 posted 1606 days ago

yea i’m in, i hate copycaters that don’t give credit where credits due. Keep it 100.

-- Ike, Big Daddies Woodshop,

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#39 posted 1606 days ago

Yeppers. I’m in.

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#40 posted 1606 days ago

I’m in and I agree with Bureaucrat.

-- Dale Manning, Carthage, NY

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#41 posted 1606 days ago

So it be said; so it be done!

I am reminded of the Honor Code of my old, gray Alma Mater: ” A cadet will not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate those who do.”

-- Dave; Lansing, Kansas

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#42 posted 1606 days ago

Some people make their living off of their designs. The design and all the work that went into refining it is theirs. Sadly, there is nothing to protect a furniture designer from being ripped off. All one can do is ask that others act honorably and give credit. It’s easy to take this lightly, but imagine putting all of that work in to something, and then it shows up in the album of some well-meaning woodworker who forgot where he saw the picture and now blithely accepts compliments for his or her piece.

I think it is beneficial not only to other designers and makers, but to the community, if we take the time to reference our work. It not only gives credit, but it shares our methods and pathways, which are far more important than our products. Give a man a desk? Or teach him how to make it?


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#43 posted 1606 days ago

When I posted this, I fully expected the majority of LJ’s to agree. From my time on this site I have come to see that LJ’s are (generally) respectful, honest, decent folk.

In hindsight, I agree with the many that have stated that being inspired by by others should not need acknowledgement as we are all inspired by some (or many) of the projects we see here, or out in the real world. I think that the “Inspired by” label should be applied when someone makes a close reproduction, like the “Andy” box, or the “Maloof” chair. Other than close copies, I agree that it would be crazy to try to list all the sources of inspiration.

It is good to be a part of this virtual community of caring, respectful, like minded folk.

Thank you all.

-- I may be schizophrenic, but at least I have each other.

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#44 posted 1606 days ago

Agreed! People with integrity are becoming more scarce since dishonesty is so easy to fall into these days. I think it’s extremely important to be honest in everything we do. That way you only have to remember one version of the story you’ve told, THE TRUTH!

-- Spencer, Gilbert Az (

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#45 posted 1606 days ago


-- bill

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#46 posted 1606 days ago

I assume honesty as the default position of all LJ’ers. Easier to count the dishonest by their show of hands.

-- "The way to make a small fortune in woodworking- start with a large one"

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#47 posted 1606 days ago


-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#48 posted 1606 days ago

I agree as far as not claiming someone else’s’ work as our own, but if, for instance, I make a cutting board, the list of LJs to whom I should credit for inspiration would be endless, the same with boxes, and many other things, without trying to complicate things, I think just plain simple HONESTY is the best policy.
just my two cents worth.
I apologize if I have repeated what someone else has said in this post, I did not read all of them, as much as I would like to, I don’t have the time, and there are so many.

-- Smitty!!!

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#49 posted 1606 days ago

Of course!
Integrity is becoming as rare as common sense.

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#50 posted 1606 days ago

What they said…....ditto

-- Doug, New Mexico.......the only stupid question is one that is never asked!........don't fix it, if it ain't broke!

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