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Router bits with Lifetime guarantee???

by becikeja
posted 12-15-2016 12:55 PM


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waho6o9

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#1 posted 12-15-2016 01:39 PM

http://millnertools.com

IDK, it seems like they have good products though.

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Rich

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#2 posted 12-15-2016 03:14 PM

I guess it also depends on their definition of sharp. I bought a bit from Kreg to use for beaded door frames (not using their system). It was so dull out of the box that it literally smoked when I used it. The wood surface was completely black. Unfortunately, I had had it for several months before trying it, so I’m pretty much stuck with it.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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syenefarmer

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#3 posted 12-15-2016 03:37 PM

Lifetime warranty against what? Their website didn’t get into any details of what that really means. If they really would replace a bit because it got dull don’t you think they would have that plastered all over the page in BOLD letters.

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#4 posted 12-15-2016 04:10 PM

Router bits generally stay sharp through quite
a lot of use. The chances are that even if
you used a few in the set enough to make
them dull, the seller would still come out
ahead.

In terms of sets the only sets I recommend
is a set of round-over bits. Everything else
can be bought as needed and you’ll likely
never need many of the added bits that
come in large sets.

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#5 posted 12-15-2016 04:58 PM

The value really depends on the true quality of the bits, your usage, and their willingness to honor a warranty (where will they be in 8 years?). If that bit set is really just a $53 set that they’ve marked up sky high, $250 is no deal….better off buying the cheap set and replacing the bits (or honing them) yourself. For $250 I’d be looking at more proven names – Whiteside, Infinity, Eagle America, Freud, CMT, etc.

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#6 posted 12-15-2016 05:35 PM

It depends what their definition of lifetime is. What does the manufacturer consider to be the lifetime of the tool. LIfetime to a manufacturer is the design life or something else of the tool. Not your lifetime or mine.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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CharlesA

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#7 posted 12-15-2016 05:39 PM

One can use standard router bits on marble?

“As with many of our other products, your Millner-Haufen bits come with a lifetime guarantee so you can use them with confidence. Designed to be used on: hardwoods, softwoods, solid surface material, marble, plastics and more.”

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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Fred Hargis

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#8 posted 12-15-2016 06:14 PM



It depends what their definition of lifetime is. What does the manufacturer consider to be the lifetime of the tool. LIfetime to a manufacturer is the design life or something else of the tool. Not your lifetime or mine.

- johnstoneb

Exactly, “lifetime” can mean a lot of things….most of them not what they buyer is thinking.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#9 posted 12-15-2016 06:29 PM

I would consider it as an advertising ploy. There are products out there that have a “lifetime guarantee”, but the product is so cheap (in quality) that the company doesn’t lose money in replacement. In fact, they may even make money. I’ll bet they charge shipping and handling on any bit returned to the buyer. That is tax deductible to the company and we don’t know how much is actual “handling”. That “handling” ends up as profit. That is why the online, “as seen on TV” business is so big. It’s the shipping and handling that is the big money maker; the product is usually cheap junk from China.
I once bought something from TV and was dissatisfied with it. I contacted the company for a refund and to return the item. They told me not to bother returning the item and sent a refund. This tells you what the value of what is sold over TV; it wasn’t valuable enough to return.
Especially now around the holidays, it is important to beware of scams and only buy from trusted and proven companies. Don’t fall for insanely bloated claims. In all my years, I have held on to these few maxims:
“Buyer beware”
“There will always be sales”
“There’s a sucker born every day”
“If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is”
I’m sure there are others, but you get the idea.

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becikeja

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#10 posted 12-15-2016 09:49 PM

The consensus seems to be that I made the right decision walking away.
The PowerGen trade show is a pretty high end industry show, so I would have assumed they were a reputable company to participate, but having never heard of them I was skeptical.

Thanks for the comments,

-- Don't outsmart your common sense

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#11 posted 12-16-2016 02:49 AM



I guess it also depends on their definition of sharp. I bought a bit from Kreg to use for beaded door frames (not using their system). It was so dull out of the box that it literally smoked when I used it. The wood surface was completely black. Unfortunately, I had had it for several months before trying it, so I m pretty much stuck with it.

- RichTaylor

Rich—you might want to give Kreg a call and explain what happened. I’ve called them a few times and the response was much better than i’d have expected. The first time was for a few parts i’d lost for a fence. I was frustrated that I lost them, and further frustrated that I couldn’t find a way to order parts. They asked for my address and sent what I needed. No charge. I was sold on the concept. Shoot straight with them and you may be surprised.

Good luck.
earl

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Rich

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#12 posted 12-16-2016 05:13 AM

Thanks Earl. I’ll do that.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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#13 posted 12-16-2016 05:26 AM

I’m betting they would not honor that “sharpness guarantee” if I purchased bits from them. I use an 1/8” round over on a lot of the stuff I make and typically buy (or resharpen) a new bit every month.

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#14 posted 12-16-2016 05:46 AM

bad dog bits – i picked up a set years ago at a show . i dought i would ever send one in for a free sharping ,just not my style .most likely just send to local sharpner with everything else.dought it covers bearings . so far they have held up as well as my whiteside bits . seriously i just hanen’t any complaints . though cannot say that any one bit has had extensive use . i would get them again ,in no way have they been cheap quality .i do or have had cheap ones to compare to .for instance bearings have lasted very well .http://www.baddogtools.com/router-bits.html
so -i give them a thumbs up .

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Kelly

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#15 posted 12-17-2016 07:43 PM

That’s scary as hell.

I have diamond router bits for granite and they have zero wings for a reason.


One can use standard router bits on marble?

“As with many of our other products, your Millner-Haufen bits come with a lifetime guarantee so you can use them with confidence. Designed to be used on: hardwoods, softwoods, solid surface material, marble, plastics and more.”

- CharlesA


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Kelly

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#16 posted 12-17-2016 07:45 PM

In an interview of a mail order company, the owners said he set aside a million for returns and didn’t quibble on a return requests because most wouldn’t bother and he still made several million off those who kept the items.


I would consider it as an advertising ploy. There are products out there that have a “lifetime guarantee”, but the product is so cheap (in quality) that the company doesn t lose money in replacement. In fact, they may even make money. I ll bet they charge shipping and handling on any bit returned to the buyer. That is tax deductible to the company and we don t know how much is actual “handling”. That “handling” ends up as profit. That is why the online, “as seen on TV” business is so big. It s the shipping and handling that is the big money maker; the product is usually cheap junk from China.
I once bought something from TV and was dissatisfied with it. I contacted the company for a refund and to return the item. They told me not to bother returning the item and sent a refund. This tells you what the value of what is sold over TV; it wasn t valuable enough to return.
Especially now around the holidays, it is important to beware of scams and only buy from trusted and proven companies. Don t fall for insanely bloated claims. In all my years, I have held on to these few maxims:
“Buyer beware”
“There will always be sales”
“There s a sucker born every day”
“If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is”
I m sure there are others, but you get the idea.

- MrRon


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Carloz

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#17 posted 12-17-2016 10:05 PM

Many manufacturers use a lifetime warranty wild card on cheap items. A router bit costs on average $20 ( much less for them). A two way shipping, which normally you have to pay, will cost more. So they bet you will just buy a new one.

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Rich

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#18 posted 12-20-2016 04:29 PM


I guess it also depends on their definition of sharp. I bought a bit from Kreg to use for beaded door frames (not using their system). It was so dull out of the box that it literally smoked when I used it. The wood surface was completely black. Unfortunately, I had had it for several months before trying it, so I m pretty much stuck with it.

- RichTaylor

Rich—you might want to give Kreg a call and explain what happened. I ve called them a few times and the response was much better than i d have expected. The first time was for a few parts i d lost for a fence. I was frustrated that I lost them, and further frustrated that I couldn t find a way to order parts. They asked for my address and sent what I needed. No charge. I was sold on the concept. Shoot straight with them and you may be surprised.

Good luck.
earl

- greenacres2

Thanks for the advice Earl. I emailed Kreg and they got back to me almost immediately with an offer to send a new bit. Great company to do business with.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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OSB

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#19 posted 12-20-2016 06:43 PM

I had to round over about 100’ of aluminum angle and I bought three Porter Cable 1/2” round over carbide bits with 1/2” shank.

I was hoping that would be enough to get through the job.

I used plenty of WD40 for lube and the first bit did the whole job.

I didn’t sneak up on the cut, I took it all off in one pass. I did have a few screwups that scrapped parts, some of them show a huge cut but the bit still turns true and is sharp enough for me.

I was expecting more scrap and broken/dull bits. I think I paid about $15 each for the bits and that shows you how much abuse a router bit can take and still be perfectly usable.

I haven’t done any hardwood routing yet so maybe that is more abrasive and will dull the bit but aluminum is a pretty good test.

If the quality is there and you believe in the company, it might be a great deal if you use them enough.

On the other hand, when I was growing up, Craftsman was made in the USA and most people never had to take advantage of the lifetime warranty, now the lifetime warranty is looking shaky because Sears looks to be on a death spiral and best case you can trade a broken USA tool for a new China tool…

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