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yes, one more lathe decision post :)

by Genuino
posted 11-21-2016 04:30 PM


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Wildwood

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#1 posted 11-21-2016 05:16 PM

The Jet 1221VS would have the best resale value, but the HF34706 not a bad entry lathe. For sanding 250 RPM’s okay for sanding so would not rule out the Rikon 70-220VSR.

Both the Jet & Rikon lathes easier to adjust speeds up or down over that reeves drive on HF 34706. You can turn bowls on that HF 34706 but has the highest starting off RPM’s. So think eith the Jet or Rikon a better buy.

You can find several sets of inexpensive spindle gouge sets starting at less than $100. For turning bowls & platters recommend buying individual tools.

Understand two different ways to measure bowl gouges. This why suggest getting some turning catalogs. Depending upon where the tool is made or brand (British measurement) you can order 1/4” bowl gouge and it will actually be 3/8” diameter.

Craft Supplies http://www.woodturnerscatalog.com

Packard Woodworks: http://www.packardwoodworks.com

Penn State Industries: http://pennstateind.com

Both Craft Supplies & Packard offer discounts if buy more than one tool from them see catalog or ask before ordering; not sure about PSI. There are several other reliable vendors but since don’t know where you live recommended ones know and ordered from.

-- Bill

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Bill7255

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#2 posted 11-21-2016 05:21 PM

If it’s pick a lathe I’d pick the Jet. IMO better than the others. As far as entry turning tools, you get (and sometimes not ) what you pay for. I recently bought a roughing gouge entry level that will not hold an edge. This would be frustrating if I was just learning. Many use carbide, I have some but prefer conventional. With carbide you won’t need to invest in sharpening right away. If you go conventional you will need a way to sharpen them, another expense.

-- Bill R

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Julian

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#3 posted 11-21-2016 05:26 PM

I would choose the Jet lathe; but I wouldn’t rule out taking a look at used lathes on your local Craigslist. Regarding turning tools; you can purchase good HSS tools without handles at several supplies. These are good quality tools and you can turn your own handles which is also a great starter project.

-- Julian

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bigJohninvegas

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#4 posted 11-22-2016 02:27 AM

I would go with the jet. And friday jet will be 15% off, with alot of web sites offering free shipping.
Good entry level tools. I started with a set of sorby tools. Any of the sheffield steel tools will be good and hold an edge well.
I think I bought that 1st set here at hartville tool. While I have not bought from them since. At the time they had the best price. I want to say it was on sale for about $190. A bit cheaper than what they show today. https://www.hartvilletool.com/product/1422/

-- John

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Genuino

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#5 posted 11-22-2016 05:06 AM

Thank you guys, for the input, black friday will be the day then :). As I said, totally new to turning but have tried a couple times about 15 years ago but never did anything after recently that started to watch videos on youtube. Don’t want to get the cheapest set tools either, want them to last my learning curve period, then go for a nice set.
Decision is made, Jet 1221VS it is, since I have 2 Jet brand items at home, dust collector and 8” jointer/palner, the times I had issues with Jet, it was taking care quick and professionally, not sure Rikon share the same.
As for the tools, carbide tip bits its all I use on my CNC, last a lot longer and way cleaner cuts than the other ones, does this translate the same for turning tools? Sorry for all the questions, newbie here :).

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loiblb

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#6 posted 11-22-2016 09:44 AM

My Jet 1221vs has been a work horse. I turn almost every day on it. That is hard for me to believe because my first lathe just sat in the shop not being used. Must be the ease of using it and its power too.

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Wildwood

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#7 posted 11-22-2016 01:55 PM

Whether you buy inexpensive or expensive turning tools they need to be sharp. So resharpening, and finding the right bevel angle for both you and design of the piece you turn very important. Getting repeat-ability of a bevel angle every time you resharpen your tool cannot be stressed enough.

Some folks have no trouble free hand sharpening their turning tools. While others use a jig whether homemade or commercial product. I made couple of homemade jigs which left lot to be desired before buying my Wolverine set up. I do both freehand & use a jig. There are other jigs on the market, but have no experience with them.

Bought a One-way Wolverine basic system with optional Vari-grind jig.

http://www.packardwoodworks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=packard&Category_Code=sharp-wss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttYyulsM7wg

Only turning tools needed for turning bowls & platters are bowl gouge(s) scrapper(s) and parting tool. Hence say buy individual tools versus set!

So lets recap need a lathe, individual tools, sharpening system, and four jaw chuck! That’s why recommend those catalogs!

-- Bill

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Bill White

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#8 posted 11-22-2016 02:49 PM

Call Capt. Eddie Castelin. His site is on You tube. He will be very helpful and honest with ya about turning tools.
He sells carbide cutters and bars. 504-715-0512. He’s in the new Orleans area.
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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TheDane

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#9 posted 11-22-2016 03:35 PM

Here’s Eddie Castelin’s website: http://eddiecastelin.com/

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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Genuino

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#10 posted 11-23-2016 05:59 AM

Thanks again guys, great group of folks around here :). The anticipation has ended, Jet 1221VS is here, was given black friday prices today, went there today because they told me they had only one left and it was verbally reserved for a friend of one of the employees, Rockler didn’t have it in stock, both locations are about 45 from my house. 15% off on the 1221, and of course came home with a few extras. NOVA G3 chuck kit, the one that comes with the 4 different claws, all together is about $270 but got the whole kit for $150. Also bought an extra bigger Nova cole jaw (the one in the kit is very small to me). Where I didn’t get a discount was on the tools. Started looking at Sorbys and Wood River, set of 6 for the Sorby was $329, then saw a set of 8 from Wood River for $279, so I got the Wood River, plus a pen turning starter kit and two books on turning, I’m in the “don’t even feel sleepy” tonight, All this is my wife’s early Christmas gift this year, I will kiss the ground she walks on every chance I get (just until New Year’s, LOL), amazing day :).
Have the hunch that this will become my next obsession.

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Wildwood

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#11 posted 11-23-2016 02:26 PM

Best of luck with new lathe, tools, & chuck!

-- Bill

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Genuino

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#12 posted 11-24-2016 05:38 AM

Thank you Bill, luck is one thing I need plus a few more bucks for wood while I learn :).

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Genuino

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#13 posted 11-24-2016 05:50 AM

Hey Bill, went back to your original post, very detailed info on tools, but when I went to get the Jet 1221 had a little desperate moment and wanted to take everything I needed home to start, so never checked out Penn, Craft or Packard, reviewing those next, just having a “kid with a new toy” moment.
Thank you so much again, appreciated.

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HorizontalMike

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#14 posted 11-24-2016 11:29 AM

Here is a great cheap way to make your own belt sharpening system:
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3179

The Dane and I made these ~3yr ago and they work very well for the occasional turner. I think Gerry (the Dane) eventually went with the Wolverine since he was turning on a larger/frequent scale. The above is all you need starting up. Good luck, and start having fun!

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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Nubsnstubs

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#15 posted 11-24-2016 10:05 PM

Thank you Bill, luck is one thing I need plus a few more bucks for wood while I learn :).

- Genuino

I don’t want to put a damper on you new adventure, but if you pay for wood, you are not going to be making yourself look good in front the woman your kissing the ground she walks on.

Wood can be had everywhere you go. You just need to be on the lookout for any wood that looks out of place. Don’t buy wood unless it’s imported stuff and you have the experience to turn it, so look for wood from friends, on the curbs in your town, Craigslist, and certainly listen for the sound of chain saws. In a short period of time, it will be music to your ears.

Welcome to woodturning and enjoy the ride.. ......... Jerry (in Tucson)

-- Jerry (in Tucson) www.woodturnerstools.com

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TheDane

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#16 posted 11-25-2016 01:19 AM

Wood can be had everywhere you go.

Amen! There are two yard waste drop-off sites within 5 miles of my house. Plenty of free wood to be had there, too.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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Genuino

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#17 posted 11-25-2016 01:41 AM

The sharpening tools was my next question, perfect for me, occasional turner, thanks for the link.
Yep, that’s true :), plenty of wood around for the taking. On the other side of the street from where I leave, there is a guy that cuts fire wood as a business, on the summer days he does all kinds of wood stuff, he throws away left over pieces, some big some small, think I’ll pay him a visit or check his garbage day schedule.

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HorizontalMike

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#18 posted 11-25-2016 12:17 PM



The sharpening tools was my next question, perfect for me, occasional turner, thanks for the link.
...
- Genuino

BTW, Harbor Freight has this belt sander (for the conversion) on sale this weekend for just $58.59, a really good price at the moment:
http://www.harborfreight.com/4-inch-x-36-inch-belt-6-inch-disc-sander-97181.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4716b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c4716b

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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Genuino

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#19 posted 11-28-2016 07:01 AM

Not a bad price and useful for many other things. Perhaps I’m being a little weird about what would be my sharpening system, keep in mind I’m totally new to this, but I’m not convinced on the idea of sharpening a flat bevel edge on a round wheel, it will introduce a concave profile to the bevel, am I over thinking this or does it really matters? Maybe I’ll come up with a jig to sharpen them on the flat side of the grinding wheel.

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dddddmorgan

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#20 posted 12-02-2016 12:54 PM

What Jerry said… do what I do, I offered my services on CL to come with my chainsaw and clean up old dead trees and such. I’ve even gotten the chance to take down a walnut tree and an apple tree.

I had to take my ad down, I ran out of storage space!

Just an idea.

-- Maintenance Man - I do precision guesswork based on unreliable data from people of questionable knowledge...

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Genuino

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#21 posted 12-04-2016 05:09 AM

Yes Dan, just bought a chainsaw :) after visiting my neighbor’s property, he had a wood shop at one point, sold most of it, plus old cars restoration, he just sold the property because of retirement, he has another six months there. They are developing a 55+ community there, about 12 acres and is full of maple, oak and cherry trees that his grandfather planted about 85 years ago, more than half of those are gone and what’s left has been on the ground for a little over a year. I was told to cut and take whatever I want, just need to rent a home depot truck along my chain saw and take as much as I can before is all clear, about a month. He ask me for nothing in return, just take him and his wife out to dinner before they move and retire in Alabama. My guess is that the maple trees are an average of 20 to 22” in diam., oak and cherry a little smaller, so I’ll end up with wood for turning for a very long time, still can’t believe it, can’t wait.

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