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Table Saw picks - I'm as green as green can be!

by tsbot
posted 10-30-2016 04:09 AM


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ArtMann

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#1 posted 10-30-2016 05:08 AM

I use the G0715P and like it a lot. It is a heavier duty saw than the G0771P. Just look at the difference in shipping weight. If you get the Jet, I recommend you spend a little more and to get the cast iron wings. The Sawstop jobsite saw is exactly that – a light weight portable saw. If you are very concerned about safety, it may be worth buying it anyway but it is not in the same size, power and performance class as your other choices. If you could raise just a little more money, the Sawstop contractor saw is a much more capable saw.

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Carloz

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#2 posted 10-30-2016 05:34 AM

There is big difference between G0771 and G0715.
G0715P feels like a real saw while G0771 in comparison feels like a toy. However I still would skip both unless money is an issue. Both are not especially accurate. You very likely grow out of them pretty soon.
For the price of Jet I would suggest to get G1023RL which is a very excellent saw. Watch Grizzly website, usually they have discounts at this time of the year.
Sawstop jobsite may save you a finger but I consider jobsite saw far more dangerous than stationary saws. I used mine for a few days then in the middle of cutting a 12’ board I had to stop, go to my computer and order something more substantial.

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knotscott

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#3 posted 10-30-2016 11:30 AM

At the $1500 price point, the G1023RL is definitely worth consideration, even if it means installing 220v….that’ll open up a whole new world with a different class of saw. Close to twice the power, much more robust underpinnings, larger smoother operating hand wheels, more mass, better long term reliability, etc., plus it’ll allow you to dictate the feed rate rather than waiting on the saw. 220v is good to have at some point anyway, so if you really want to cry once and can do it yourself, go for it!

Regardless of which saw, solid cast iron wings are almost always preferable over stamped steel. They give a nice solid flat reference surface and add more mass and stability.

Also regardless of which saw you get, setup and blade choice are key variables in the end performance of any saw. Hang onto the stock blade for junk cuts, but get yourself a decent woodworking grade blade or two.

If 220v is absolutely a no go, the G0771 with an aftermarket fence like the Delta T3 might be worth some thought too. It offers easier to reach cabinet mounted trunnions. The T3 adds ~ $190, but you could probably sell the stock fence for $75 to $100 to offset some cost.

I agree with ArtMann about the SS jobsite saw. It’s the safest of the bunch, but is also the least saw….it’s size and weight limitations alone can actually increase the likelihood of some sort of an accident. The contractor saw is at least a full size saw, but really pushes the budget and offers a mediocre stock fence as well as stamped wings, so for a premium price, you’ll give up some of the luxuries for the sake of the safety brake….it’s really closer to $2k with a fence and wing upgrade to make it a nice saw.

The Jet Proshop is a good saw with a good track record. Your paying in part for the longer warranty and dealer markup….if you go this route, be sure to at least buy it from a dealer so you get that support. Mail ordering probably won’t save enough money to make it worth passing up one of the main attractions. As nice of a hybrid as it is, it’s still not in the league of the G1023RL.

Here’s an example of a the guts of a typical hybrid saw:

. Here’s an example of a typical industrial cabinet saw (in this case, the G1023RL):

Good luck, and please keep us updated on your progress, thought process, etc.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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tsbot

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#4 posted 10-30-2016 04:56 PM

Thank you all. Definitely things to consider. To be honest I’m not sure I even have room for 220 in our box. Between a pool, hot tub and pump house (well and whole house reverse osmosis system). We had an electrician come for the hot tub and he had to do some things to get that wired up properly.

So with that said – let’s assume 220 is out of the picture – unless I’m missing something how that gets wired up. I hate electricity and assume it’s always hot and always gonna kill you :)!

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Aj2

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#5 posted 10-30-2016 05:59 PM

I think you should consider a Bosch job site saw the one with the stand.
I had one and a cabinet saw at the same time and it was a good portable saw.
If woodworking becomes a long term hobby then up grade to a cabinet saw.
You will really appreciate and know first hand the difference.

Aj

-- Aj

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bbasiaga

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#6 posted 10-30-2016 06:09 PM

I used a job site sawith for a while. It was great, but the lack of weight and rigid stand made for some unsafe momends until I learned it’s limits.

If you have dedicated space, those Grizzly would be my recommendation . TheRe are a lot of Jocks out there making great stuff with them.

Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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Carloz

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#7 posted 10-30-2016 06:32 PM

If you hate electricity your only choice would be steam powered saw but they do not make them anymore. Try craigslist.

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Desert_Woodworker

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#8 posted 10-30-2016 06:41 PM

I am a fan of Laguna – This is the saw that I would purchase http://www.rockler.com/laguna-tools-fusion-series-1-3-4hp-tablesaw-with-36-fence there are plenty of reviews on this link.

-- Desert_Woodworker

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Gaffneylumber

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#9 posted 10-30-2016 07:46 PM

You could always run a sub panel if you need more room in your box for 220. Not too hard to do or an electrician could do it. I would look for a used cabinet saw like a delta, jet, powermatic, or grizzly and use the money you save to pay an electrician to run a sub panel box for 220.

-- Grayson - South Carolina

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generic

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#10 posted 10-31-2016 04:52 PM

I started out with a contractor type saw with cast top and thought it was OK. When I was able to upgrade to a cabinet saw, I wondered why I didn’t do it sooner. Between the added power, better fence and added weight, it makes the experience a lot more pleasant.

Like Gaffneylumber states, you should be able to run a sub panel for you woodworking equipment. and having 220 will likely be nice if you get a planer or jointer.

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tsbot

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#11 posted 10-31-2016 08:48 PM

Thanks for the advice. Let’s assume I’m staying with 110 for now – and recommend saws that can convert in the future.

I like the looks and reviews of the Laguna Fusion.

Fusion
Jet Proshop
Grizzly

Thoughts?

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knotscott

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#12 posted 10-31-2016 09:10 PM

Converting any of the hybrids to 220v in the future may help them run a little better if your 110v circuit isn’t quite making the grade, but none of them will hang with a real 3hp+ industrial cabinet saw even if converted to 220v. It’s sort of like switching an S10 pickup to higher octane gas hoping to make it more like a 3500 diesel dualie.

Grizzly usually offers the most bang for the buck. The G0771 fence is functional, but not on par with the better t-square fences. The Jet Proshop and Laguna Fusion have very similar guts under the hood. Take a good look at the fences…the Proshop fence is all steel on a single steel rail, the Fusion has a two-piece aluminum rail which is less desirable IMO. FWIW, I also think Jet’s CS reputation is better.

Fusion fence rail:

The G0771, Fusion, and Proshop all offer cabinet mounted trunnions, but it’s worth pointing out that they’re not the same as the cabinet mounted trunnions on the industrial cabinet saws… the trunnion brackets are much less robust, and they actually mount to the middle of the cabinet strut vs the corners (see the pic of the G1023RL pics above).

Typical hybrid cabinet mounted trunnions />

Some of these differences may seem minor overall, but now’s the time to scrutinize.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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bigJohninvegas

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#13 posted 10-31-2016 09:50 PM

I have that r4512 in my shop at home. It works well enough for me and at the time it was all my budget would allow.
Couple years down the road, I wish I had bought one of the used cabinet saws off craigslist. I agree that the contractors version of the sawstop saw is to light weight. Also I to would get the cast iron wings.
I think both the grizzly or jet with cast iron wings would be good saws.
As far as your budget, and bang for the buck. Grizzly seems to be making a good product.
I just picked up a grizzly go513×2 bandsaw a few months back, and so far I’m loving it.
About a year ago I bought the jet 16X42evs lathe. It is very nice, but if I had been paying attention to grizzly at the time I woild have saved $500 on there lathe.
Good luck

-- John

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CharlesA

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#14 posted 10-31-2016 10:47 PM

Don’t overthink it. They all have pros and cons. Me, I’d look for used cabinet saws on CL, but some folks like new. Make your best choice and pull the trigger.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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tsbot

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#15 posted 11-01-2016 03:13 AM

Thanks – This Jet is on a CL ad about 3 hours away. I live in Southern Oregon so choice is limited for CL and most is a drive. I got him down to $750 at this point, but asked for more pics, still awaiting.

Thoughts?
http://bend.craigslist.org/tls/5841856599.html

Thanks!

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Aj2

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#16 posted 11-01-2016 03:54 AM

That saw would not sell in my area it’s way over priced.But there is a good selection of table saw down here in So cal.
I think you should keep looking.
Cabinet saws have better dust collection and some of the new portable saws do too.
Your going to need your lungs to live :) some woods produce dust that’s very bad to breath Cedar is one of them.
One more thing there is no 110 everything is 120/ 240.
It’s best to sound educated when taking to a sparky so you don’t get burned.
Good luck

Aj

-- Aj

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tsbot

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#17 posted 11-01-2016 04:00 AM

Thanks – I figured it was pretty over priced. I meant 120 as well. Getting crosseyed researching – even though the journey is fun – I want a saw that doesn’t have setup problems out of the box and something that will last me a long while.


That saw would not sell in my area it s way over priced.But there is a good selection of table saw down here in So cal.
I think you should keep looking.
Cabinet saws have better dust collection and some of the new portable saws do too.
Your going to need your lungs to live :) some woods produce dust that s very bad to breath Cedar is one of them.
One more thing there is no 110 everything is 120/ 240.
It s best to sound educated when taking to a sparky so you don t get burned.
Good luck

Aj

- Aj2


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MrUnix

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#18 posted 11-01-2016 04:17 AM

Can’t help with that Jet… way more than I’d pay for it for sure. But a quick search in your area turns up a bunch of really good deals, so I’m not sure what you are talking about having a limited choice. There are a ton of pretty nice contractor saws in the $100-$200 range out there (like this one), and combined with this Unifence for $100, you could have a pretty sweet setup. Bunch of way cool older vintage stuff for dirt cheap as well. If you can swing 240v, then you have some really nice cabinet saws to look at… just searching for Unisaw turns up:

3hp Unisaw with a Biesemeyer fence: Asking $1450
3hp Unisaw w/Unifence and extras: Asking $1200
Unisaw with Shop Fox fence: Asking $750 (that one might actually be able to run on 120v)
Unisaw w/Biesemeyer and huge outfeed table: Asking $1200
3hp Unisaw w/Unifence… needs some work: Asking $620

(any of the above would probably be the last saw you ever bought)

If you are patient and know what you want, you could buy a lot of high end tools with your budget, not just a table saw. If you don’t see something you like today, another few will be along tomorrow.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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Matt Hegedus

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#19 posted 11-01-2016 12:25 PM

Get the best you can BUT… try to save some dough for the next big tool you’ll want (bandsaw probably :) or jointer or planer :)

I have a table saw that cost me $50, used. Skilsaw. Zero safety features. Had to build my own fence. Etc. And I rarely use it because I have an awesome bandsaw ($1000 Rikon 14”) and handplanes.

No regrets bro. Just pick one and live with it. I wouldn’t spend more than 1500$. That’s ridiculous if you’re not wealthy IMO. Get a tool that does what you need it to do with minimal headaches.

PS: my next table saw will be a used cabinet saw. But probably not for a few years. I just don’t need one for the stuff I build.

-- From Pittsburgh, PA

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knotscott

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#20 posted 11-01-2016 12:26 PM



Thanks – This Jet is on a CL ad about 3 hours away. I live in Southern Oregon so choice is limited for CL and most is a drive. I got him down to $750 at this point, but asked for more pics, still awaiting.

Thoughts?
http://bend.craigslist.org/tls/5841856599.html

Thanks!

- tsbot

That Jet is a direct drive compact saw with a universal motor…..it’s not even a full size saw (22” deep x 38” with the wings). Would have cost < half their asking price new. They’re nuts!

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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bigJohninvegas

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#21 posted 11-01-2016 12:54 PM

I would pass on the jet saw. To much money, and in my opinion not any better than what you would find in the big box store. I think jet makes good tools, but they have a cheap line too. Some of the unisaws Mr. Unix shows would be good. Negotiable price too maybe.

-- John

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bigJohninvegas

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#22 posted 11-01-2016 01:07 PM

I just got a email from grizzly with there christmas catalog. They have a whole page of table saws on sale.
Here is a link to it. http://www.grizzly.com/catalog/2016/christmas?p=3

-- John

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sawdustdad

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#23 posted 11-01-2016 01:30 PM

Get one of the used unisaws that Mr Unix posted. Install a sub panel if necessary to get 240V power.

That’s the only course of action that suits your “cry once” philosophy.

-- Murphy's Carpentry Corollary #3: Half of all boards cut to a specific length will be too short.

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knotscott

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#24 posted 11-01-2016 01:59 PM



I just got a email from grizzly with there christmas catalog. They have a whole page of table saws on sale.
Here is a link to it. http://www.grizzly.com/catalog/2016/christmas?p=3

- bigJohninvegas

That G0771”Z” is new….looks like they’ve upgraded the fence from the original aluminum one.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Carloz

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#25 posted 11-01-2016 02:02 PM


3hp Unisaw with a Biesemeyer fence: Asking $1450
- MrUnix

For this money you can have a really nice saw with the latest safety features and warranty from Grizzly. The most importantly instead of some sneaky scammer you deal with a nice people who go out of their way ( my experience) to help you long after you bought the saw.

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tsbot

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#26 posted 11-03-2016 07:29 PM

Well thanks for all the advice. After much ado and research I bought the Sawstop Professional Cabinet 1.75 36” fence (upgraded fence), rails, and extension table. I went in to get the Sawstop Contractor, but couldn’t resist the Professional – definitely a beefier unit. After reading reviews and putting a price on my novice fingers and hands – it was worth the expense. I won’t be able to put it together until Saturday morning – but then its game on.

See you all in the other forums for building and tips and tricks!

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MrUnix

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#27 posted 11-03-2016 07:32 PM

Well, I guess that ‘pretty firm’ budget… wasn’t all that firm after all :)

BUDGET IS $1500, pretty firm since I’ve been looking at $600 big box store saws.
- tsbot

Have fun with it.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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tsbot

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#28 posted 11-03-2016 07:53 PM

Yea I seem to do that once I get my hands on things. I’ll cry now until I begin using it – then hope its all smiles after that.


Well, I guess that pretty firm budget… wasn t all that firm after all :)

BUDGET IS $1500, pretty firm since I’ve been looking at $600 big box store saws.
- tsbot

Have fun with it.

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix


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knotscott

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#29 posted 11-03-2016 08:34 PM

Cry once, smile for a lifetime. I think the PCS is a better bang for the buck than the contractor saw, and the fence upgrade is nearly a must IMO….so, very nicely done! You’ll still probably want a decent blade to maximize the performance….doesn’t have to be a $100+ work of art, but good blades are analogous to tires on a performance car. Awesome saw….congrats!

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Carloz

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#30 posted 11-04-2016 02:25 AM

Good choice! You will not be sorry, believe me. Glad that you skipped the “advice” to spend a good part of your life sifting through junk on craigslist.

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CopperTree

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#31 posted 11-06-2016 05:39 AM

Hard to beat an old General 350/650 if you’ve can find one. Even if it has a 220V motor, swap it out for a 2HP 110V motor until 220V is available. The quality and precision of the older machines is tough to find in anything new. I found a used 350 with a 54” fence within your budget, was in great condition.

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Redoak49

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#32 posted 11-06-2016 12:02 PM

Good choice on the saw….I have had my PCS for a number of year and have no regrets. It is a solid accurate table saw.

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Rob_s

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#33 posted 11-06-2016 12:35 PM



Good choice! You will not be sorry, believe me. Glad that you skipped the “advice” to spend a good part of your life sifting through junk on craigslist.

- Carloz

I agree. That line gets really tired. I’ve been scouring CL for months and there ain’t a dang thing worth my time within 3 hours drive of me.

I find that people have different priorities and differing amounts of free time. Seems most of the folks who suggest CL either struck it lucky on their one outing or have plenty of free time to fiddle-fart with their finds.

-- www.facebook.com/therealbnrlabs

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tsbot

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#34 posted 11-06-2016 05:10 PM

Im so far super happy with the decision. It’s all put together – just have to make adjustments to the fences and install blade and give it a test run. Super easy to install and seems very well!

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