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White Oak Outdoors - Maintenance/Graying/Color Question

by Keith Kelly
posted 09-15-2016 05:35 AM


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mahdee

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#1 posted 09-15-2016 10:40 AM

I build a bench that sits outside under a porch and used Watco teak oil on it. Every Fall I wipe it with bleach and give it another coat. It has pretty much maintained its integrity after 4-5 years. If you like the grey look, maybe let it weather for a year, sand it and wax it as needed. If you don’t mind a film over it, Zahr outdoor poly does a really good job.

-- earthartandfoods.com

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WDHLT15

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#2 posted 09-15-2016 11:52 AM

I use 100% pure tung oil mixed 50:50 with mineral spirits. Intially, put on 4 coats per directions on the container. Once thoroughly oiled, it will bead water. If you oil it several times a year, it should do well. Only the red heartwood of ERC is rot resistant.

-- Danny Located in Perry, GA. Forester. Wood-Mizer LT40HD35 Sawmill. Nyle L53 Dehumidification Kiln. hamsleyhardwood.com

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Keith Kelly

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#3 posted 09-15-2016 01:54 PM

Oh, that’s interesting about the ERC heartwood.

Ok, so you’re telling me there’s a chance of at least keeping it maintained with an easy application. Good news, thanks!

-- Keith - Bolivar, Missouri, http://www.SquareOneWoodworks.com

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CharlesNeil

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#4 posted 09-15-2016 04:30 PM

White oak is an excellent exterior wood and very durable, Its what I prefer. However exterior finishes are another issue, I am at present heavily involved in researching them after I had what was supposed to be the best , totally fail after 12 months. But this I can tell you, you want a penetrating oil, that can be easily renewed as needed.

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#5 posted 09-15-2016 04:59 PM

Aromatic cedar, no. Western red cedar, yes.

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Keith Kelly

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#6 posted 09-15-2016 05:42 PM

JCantin, good note about cedar distinctions. Perhaps this is why aromatic red cedar in this area (particularly in Branson) most of the outdoor cedar furniture is coated in plastic.

Thanks Charles. I’m aware that you know a thing or two about wood finishing, and your advice seems to align with my concerns/hopes. I’ll go with white oak along with a penetrating oil, oiled often.

For an application like this, is the forever-drying-time of Tung oil (not tung oil finish) really an issue? Is there a negative to it not being dry?

-- Keith - Bolivar, Missouri, http://www.SquareOneWoodworks.com

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CharlesNeil

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#7 posted 09-15-2016 07:21 PM

At the moment we are looking at one called Redi Seal, Home Depot carries it, one of the guys on my Forum build exterior furniture for a living, and said it was the best he had found, and the reviews look good , just Google it

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Keith Kelly

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#8 posted 09-15-2016 08:48 PM



At the moment we are looking at one called Redi Seal, Home Depot carries it, one of the guys on my Forum build exterior furniture for a living, and said it was the best he had found, and the reviews look good , just Google it

- CharlesNeil

Charles, is this the one you referred to failing in 12 months or a different one you’re trying out?

That’s intriguing, because the larger part of my project is an entire deck build. This looks only slightly more expensive than the Flood product I used on my treated-siding shed (and have been planning for the deck). The reviews for Redi-Seal do look very nice. Also, their video shows it being sprayed with a pump sprayer, and I much prefer spraying.

-- Keith - Bolivar, Missouri, http://www.SquareOneWoodworks.com

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jmartel

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#9 posted 09-15-2016 09:01 PM

White oak makes a good outdoor wood. It’s used in wooden boats for frames, afterall. I’d go with that since you have it on hand.

-- The quality of one's woodworking is directly related to the amount of flannel worn.

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nightguy

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#10 posted 09-15-2016 10:27 PM

White Oak and NO film finish, NO Thompsons water seal which is a wax based. Any good exterior type soak in finish, and yes, it will NOT last forever, so a light sanding when needed and reapply what you put on it should keep it fresh looking. I like and have on 2 WO Andorandock chairs, Australian Timber Oil by Cabot, comes if a clear and a few shades. I used the Teak, a nice light tanish brown.

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Woodknack

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#11 posted 09-15-2016 11:59 PM

White oak is extremely durable without a finish. I know of white oak farm buildings that are over half a century old and the wood is rock solid and good for another half century at least.

-- http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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Keith Kelly

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#12 posted 09-16-2016 12:49 AM



I know of white oak farm buildings that are over half a century old and the wood is rock solid and good for another half century at least.

- Rick M.

I just assumed they were rubbed down annually with steel wool soaked in vinegar.

-- Keith - Bolivar, Missouri, http://www.SquareOneWoodworks.com

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Woodknack

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#13 posted 09-16-2016 01:10 AM

Nothing says farm like a faux finish. The manure smell is fake too, just something to keep away city slickers.

-- http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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nightguy

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#14 posted 09-16-2016 01:36 AM



Nothing says farm like a faux finish. The manure smell is fake too, just something to keep away city slickers.

- Rick M.

What you say??? Just dumb, now if you want to keep City Slickers away have a Pig Ranch.

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#15 posted 09-16-2016 01:05 PM

Keith , no the one that failed after 12 months was System Three Marine spar varnish.

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Keith Kelly

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#16 posted 09-16-2016 01:31 PM



Keith , no the one that failed after 12 months was System Three Marine spar varnish.

- CharlesNeil

Yikes. Thanks for the clarification.

-- Keith - Bolivar, Missouri, http://www.SquareOneWoodworks.com

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CharlesNeil

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#17 posted 09-16-2016 06:32 PM

Oh you have no idea, I filmed a video that I will share next week, I have 30 pieces, I had to have shipped down from Vermont, that i either need to remake or “fix”.... been heavily involved in “fix”, mold/mildew is under the finish, which tells me moisture penetrated the finish, these were all done out of 1/4 sawn white oak, and were kiln dried, moisture content at time of assembly was at 6 % , so it wasnt moisture in the wood, pre assembly, its a long story,

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pintodeluxe

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#18 posted 09-16-2016 06:50 PM

White oak is what I prefer. Just look at an old oak barrel that has been sitting outside for years, that is what you can expect in time. I personally love the look.

If you want a low maintenance outdoor table, make it from painted aluminum.

I quit making wooden outdoor furniture entirely, because the elements are just too brutal on them.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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CharlesNeil

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#19 posted 09-16-2016 07:22 PM

pintodeluxe , i agree totally, BUT, all these finish companies make all these claims and now heavily involved in exterior finishes, what i am finding is alot of BS. Finish companies are good at 2 things, putting stuff in cans and making false claims, , dealt with it now for 50 years, had enough.

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