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The Ultimate LJ Project/Challenge

by kolwdwrkr
posted 12-26-2009 07:27 PM


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interpim

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#1 posted 12-26-2009 07:32 PM

I think if you are looking for any grain continuity at all or even color matching of the same species of wood you are going to be disappointed. The idea is actually pretty cool… I know my mother does something like that for her quilts. She will make up one square maybe 15 times, but others will make up their square 15 times as well, and each person is sent one of the squares… Each person then will make a full quilt ending up with 15 separate quilts.
That could work as well for your idea, albeit a bit more expensive since 15 things are getting produced, but then again, that is 15x the charity donations too LOL.

-- San Diego, CA

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kolwdwrkr

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#2 posted 12-26-2009 07:42 PM

I agree with the material being different. We can’t forget that this wouldn’t be a master piece, and we have to take different levels of experience into consideration as well. This could give members a chance to also learn new skills, ask specific questions related to a certain aspect, etc. I don’t mind if it’s a complete worthless piece of junk when it’s done, but anyway to bring the community together and give some sort of charity makes it worth it to me.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

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#3 posted 12-26-2009 08:17 PM

Keith, I like your idea…......and it shouldn’t be just for the experienced woodworker. I think part of the design process would be to take into consideration materials from all over the country and every level of woodworking experience being able to contribute to the buld…..........Make it regional, national and international and this could be another contest! LOL. Minimum 3 designers, minimum 12 builders, 3 phases of assembly, to be shipped to 3 phases of finishing to one final assembler (our group of assemblers). Just thinking outloud! lol. Would love to hear what everyone else thinks.

-- John @ http://www.thehuffordfurnituregroup.com

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#4 posted 12-26-2009 10:47 PM

I would suggest that this be a donor outreach to Lumberjocks. All who want would make a part or series of parts, depending on the number of people participating. Martin would make the drawing from the donors and then the parts get sent to that person for final assembly and finishing.

Visible pieces like stiles and rails might be made by one person that way you get consistent material match and matching router cuts. Drawer fronts could be made by one person for matching material. Tops glued up by one person

That way we don’t have to ship a finished project to the winner.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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Bothus

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#5 posted 12-26-2009 10:51 PM

I love this idea Keith.

I’m not sure what I can contribute but count me in.

Regarding the grain continuity and color matching, we should come up with a design the exploits that attribute. Maybe a more contemorary design that uses different species of wood?

Bothus

-- Jerry Boshear, Professional Kitchen Designer, amature woodworker.

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#6 posted 12-27-2009 12:39 AM

It sounds like you’re attempting to expand LumberJocks beyond the internet and into the real world, and I like the idea a lot. We have a significant virtual presence and expanding it seems like a natural step.

I think the type of project will determine the specific problems, but my biggest concern would be the final assembly, where the consistency in precision of each component could derail the whole thing.

The WoodWhisperer (aka Marc Spagnuolo) participated in something like this a little bit ago and recorded his portion for his site. In his case, the project was shipped from one shop to the next for the each subsequent process. Maybe we can get his thoughts on something like this.

In the meantime, I like the idea and I would love to participate in some way.

-- Working at Woodworking http://www.VillageLaneFurniture.com

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#7 posted 12-27-2009 01:33 AM

Great Idea but how can it bee done
We are nearly 15000 LJ´s and if just ½ join in
then it wuold be nearly impossiple but it wuold be a great footprint
for what we can tribute with to help this site or other course´s who need help
but how
the transport alone will cost a fortune

Dennis from Denmark

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#8 posted 12-27-2009 01:44 AM

Keith this is a great idea i’m definatly up for this i think there is only one person who should draw the project up in SU thats the master DaveR as for the location pick the most central LJ in the USA there are more LJ’s in the USA so seems right even for us over the pond as for the different timber used that is what will make it Unique

  • what to make i see dennis has some valid points so why dont we make a chopping board i know it sounds boring but if we made our own little mark from who and where that would make it very unique then Martin * could raffle it through LJ’s donations and who ever wins gets the board

just a thought

Andy

-- cut it saw it scrap it SKPE: ANDREW.CARTER69

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#9 posted 12-27-2009 02:35 AM

Keith, I like the idea and you can count me in also. Just a thought but as someone already said if there is enough to sign up can’t we have several 3 to 5 person teams. would be more projects to raffle for the site. What ever you decide let me know and I will be happy to join in.

-- F.Little

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#10 posted 12-27-2009 02:53 AM

Pommy maybe I did saund a little skeptikel but was not soposed it was only to try to kick some of the creative members here to go in brainmode so we can accomplice the challenge and I do believe it must be one or many unique thing´s so it can be sold and that way help and also that LJ can get better nown aut there in the funny world

sorry for my spelling ( I didn´t got a new dictonary from santa this year)

Dennis

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#11 posted 12-27-2009 03:23 PM

Bentlyj i think that is a wonderfull idea

-- cut it saw it scrap it SKPE: ANDREW.CARTER69

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#12 posted 12-27-2009 06:51 PM

That is a great idea Bently. It seems like a simple way out of the design and material dilema. Lets discuss how we could make an actual project work before committing to it, and if there isn’t a solution I’d like to move forward with the Jenga idea.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

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#13 posted 12-27-2009 07:01 PM

I think that it is a great idea and the issues mentioned can be overcome as the LJ group is also a creative and resourceful bunch.

One way to overcome the problem of including people is to do more than one. If there are enough people with time available and to make a commitment, then that means more than one project could be made.

Bentlyj may be on to something with his idea. It may not be a Jenga game but that is a good starting point.

-- Todd A. Clippinger, Montana, http://americancraftsmanworkshop.com

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#14 posted 12-27-2009 07:09 PM

After the project is completed, give it away to a museum or gallery for display. This project is not something that should be kept a secret when it is done.

Great idea!

-- Whether You Think You Can or You Think You Can't, YOU ARE RIGHT!!!

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#15 posted 12-27-2009 07:50 PM

Jenga is a pretty good idea. Even I could do the SketchUp on that.

Bothus

-- Jerry Boshear, Professional Kitchen Designer, amature woodworker.

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#16 posted 12-27-2009 08:19 PM

Jenga might just be the ultimate challenge, enter it in Guiness book of world records as the largest Jenga game ever. That would certainly bring some attention to LJ

-- Dave, Southern IL.,

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#17 posted 12-27-2009 11:21 PM

Innovator has a point but we still have to sell it or them
but maybee we can do it so both criteria is forfild

Dennis

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#18 posted 12-28-2009 01:26 AM

I love “out of the box” thinking!!
I was reminded of the Memorial piece .. where LJ’s worked together.

There are lots of possibilities and always a solution to glitches!! (such as too many LJ’s? Do two or more such projects).
Jenga is a neat idea as is a “quilt” .. with each participant creating a square … carved, scrolled, intarsia’d, veneered… lots of options.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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#19 posted 12-28-2009 01:38 AM

Interesting idea, Keith….but Dennis does pose an interesting question. Even if it’s a Jenga game…it’s going to be a very large one even if half of us contribute…It would have to be a multiple project idea like Todd was saying.

Pommy Said: i think there is only one person who should draw the project up in SU thats the master DaveR

I think Dave’s a really skilled guy too…but there’s allot of guys on here with some Sketchup skills, that I’m sure would be interested in participating in that aspect of the project.

-- http://www.facebook.com/pages/DSO-Designs/297237806954248

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#20 posted 12-28-2009 02:18 AM

an art gallery piece would be cool.. everyone send their piece to the museum / art gallery for connecting together …
it coul be a patchwork of cutting boards ….. then, dismantled each piece could be auctioned off for the fundraising
oh so many ideas.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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Bothus

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#21 posted 12-28-2009 02:39 AM

I like your ideas MsDebbie.

We could do multiple prodjects if their are enough volunteers.

A jenga game (we would probably have to call it a LJenga game), a quilt, an art piece with removable cutting boards.

How about a tree made out ball point pens (I don’t turn pens so I don’t know it that is a good idea or not I just thought I would throw it out there).

We should decide on a small group of LJer’s to act as a steering committee.

I vote for you and Keith for starters.

Bothus

P.S. Unless LumberJocks has a standing group of experienced “steering committee” types that you normally use for such things.

-- Jerry Boshear, Professional Kitchen Designer, amature woodworker.

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Dennisgrosen

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#22 posted 12-28-2009 10:19 PM

Now we are moving is there anyone who want to be the start secretary and keep tracing of all the different idea´s
I am not the man for it but I am very good to stay on the sideline and shaut more ,more, more,and so on
and if only if someone think I´m worthy to join a part of the staf I will maybe dig aut my wreckbar or the big hammer so some brain can be banged together :—)

Dennis

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#23 posted 01-01-2010 04:53 PM

thou I’m a new member, I also think this is a very good idea, while reading thru the many ideas I’ll throw mine out.
Since in one post there’s a membership of 15K so the task depending on how many would be involved would also depend on what, how many and who recieves the goods so why not split this endeavor up by region so “X” number of members in this region would build “X” number if piece’s.

A good project for this IMO would be say module Kitchen Cabinets made with all the Bells & Whistles we could go all out and design kitchens by Region and each member would throw in there own ideas.

I would also think teaming up with a Recipient like say Habitat for Humanity who would then receive the finished boxes and would be specific to recipients of homes for Wounded Warriors or other Soldiers who are fighting abroad and who’s family members here at home need maybe a new kitchen, Living room furniture, Bedroom furniture ect…..

Thou it wouldn’t matter to me but it might be nice to have someone check to see if what ever the project is would be Tax Deductible.

Another item to think about is to have alittle PR work, maybe someone or a group of people could do the PR and get The media involved like Fox New’s, or someone from HGTV ???

I think IMO if your going to do some thing like this which if your really think about it would be a pretty BIG venture and if done right could do alot of good, be alot of fun to see it all come together, and in the end might pull alot of Advertisement for the site in the end. Remember Karma is the best form of flattery, I hope I got that right !!! What ever it is you could count me in I’ll do my part what ever it may be weather it’s building something or doing some footwork I have time on my side.

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#24 posted 01-01-2010 05:00 PM

you are very right DDan—this is a wonderful idea with huge potential!

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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#25 posted 01-01-2010 06:40 PM

I’m not to sure I was thinking that it should be a huge endeavor. Building a kitchen is definitely a feat, unless of course we are just making some standard size boxes and different size fillers. Otherwise they have to have a destination with proper measurements. I own a cabinet business, and it would be easy for me to simply donate a kitchen, which essentially I have already done for the Philharmonic House of Design. The house paid for material and I paid for all the labor, including my guys at the time. In the end it was probably close to a $15-20,000 donation.
I’m not particularly interested in the kitchen idea, and habitat for humanity already exists for those types of donations. Anyone can already get involved. In my mind this project should be more about bringing this community together as a whole. To see how well lumberjocks can get together and create something together that we are all passionate about.
It occurs to me that everyone thinks that the 15,000 member aspect has to be considered. It doesn’t. There are 15,000 people signed up for lumberjocks, some of those are multiples in any one family. The Zongker family is one example of that. You also have to remember that there probably isn’t more then 5,000 active members. Most members sign up, post one comment or none, and then dissappear. There are countless pages of members that never posted anything since they joined.
This forum topic alone is testament to how many people are actually interested or active on this site. It only has 419 views in 5 days, and only 25 replies, some of you having posted more then once. Where’s all the people?

I have brought this project to Martins attention. He likes the idea and is fully prepared and willing to promote it with all of his resources.

My idea for this project so far is a Game Table. The game table needs to be interchangeable so that there are various games that need pieces made for it. Each member would make a game piece. For instance, if we made a chess table then there are knights, pawns, a king, queen, etc to make. That’s quite a few pieces, and if each member carved 1 that’s also a lot of members.
The table would also need to be made. So you have all the squares to make, or if it makes sense one person could make the top, another could make a beautiful inlay for the border, etc. Then there are legs, aprons, etc. As well as the other game. That’s a major project that could work with a lot of hands on it. Each member could also sign their initials on their piece. They could also design their own style of chess piece, making theirs unique to the others. So long as it is the same color and looks the part.

Anyhow, that’s my idea at the moment, and I know there are several members here that have made these types of tables and can help by throwing out design ideas.

If the actual donation of the time and material is an issue then donate an idea for the design, draw a design to a chess piece, give ideas as to what other games can be included on the table, give links to those or to other ideas, give links to already made projects for design ideas and inspiration, etc. Thats getting involved.

I’ve posted a forum topic requesting interested Sketchup Artists to sign up if they want to get involved.

Thanks to everyone who has commented and wants to see this thing bloom.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

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#26 posted 01-02-2010 03:44 AM

If you get 35 actually making parts, you will be lucky. That many can do it.

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#27 posted 01-02-2010 04:00 AM

I agree Topa. I don’t think there will be very many people jumping to do this project. But this could be the first Annual lumberjock project. Maybe it can be an annual charity type of build, and more and more people will sign up over the years.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

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#28 posted 01-02-2010 08:52 PM

Kieth i have spoken to gizzman and i know you have too this is a fantastic idea that should be sorted out soon and get started on

Andy

-- cut it saw it scrap it SKPE: ANDREW.CARTER69

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#29 posted 01-06-2010 05:22 PM

I love the idea and would like to be part of it.The games table could be a good idea.by including a few board games even jenga in the same project could be stunning.

-- Johan, South Africa, www.knysnawoodworkers.co.za

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