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Chisels

by WayneS
posted 09-07-2007 12:55 AM


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Zuki

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#1 posted 09-07-2007 01:17 AM

Woodworking Magazine had a free electronic issue (August 2004) a little while ago when they reviewed some chisels. Interesting read. I will take a look and email it to you. there are 2 *.pdf files

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Dano

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#2 posted 09-07-2007 01:25 AM

Wayne, Darn good question, I wish I had a darn good answer but I am a Neanderthal amateur too. One thing I did read somewhere was that they recommended a cheap first set, one that you could practice your sharpening ability on. I gather that sharpening is as critical a skill as knowing how to actually use the tools. So, I have a cheap set of Craftsman bench chisels that I have had for years that I used for everything except that which they were intended to be used for.

I worried my self silly about how to best sharpen them as well as plain blades. I finally settled on using the scary sharp method and I am very happy with the results. I have a 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, and 1 inch chisel and all will shave hair from my forearm. This system is relatively cheap and easy to learn, much cheaper than buying stones or a dedicated sharpening system.

-- Dan in Central Oklahoma, Able to turn good wood into saw dust in the blink of an eye!

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Zuki

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#3 posted 09-07-2007 01:25 AM

Um . . . I found the issue on my PC . . . but I have no idea how to post it and I am unable to send you an email.

if you are interested pls send me a msg with your email address and I will gladly fwd it along.

Cheers

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WayneC

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#4 posted 09-07-2007 01:49 AM

The review looks nice. I have the marples and they work fine for me. One other option is to wander around the local flea market and look for some stanleys or buck brothers with the metal ends. I see them for $1-3 quite often and perhaps as high as $5.

Something similar to the following…

http://cgi.ebay.com/BUCK-BROTHERS-STANLEY-CHISEL-LOT-OF-7_W0QQitemZ140154825553QQihZ004QQcategoryZ13871QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

For them to be useful, you will need a means of sharpening them. You should look into scary sharp or perhaps use tools at your school. I belive I saw a sharpening station in some of your photos.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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AstroGuy

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#5 posted 09-07-2007 02:04 AM

Wayne,

Quality of steel is an important issue with chisels even for the rank beginner since chisels made of poor quality steel will not hold an edge for very long. This will translate into much more sharpening time, which can be very frustrating for someone who is on the learning curve for chisel sharpening. For this reason, purchasing a new set of Buck Brothers or Stanley chisels will probably not be the most satisfying for you. It may be much more worthwhile to purchase some older flea market chisels or a set of mid range chisels (Like those of the two cherries brand). Also, invest some time in setting up a system for sharpening them up front. The Marples blue handle chisels are also good although they have recently changed from their original steel formulation and the some users are not happy with the new ones. The ones to look for say “Sheffield Steel” on the blades and not “Chrome Vanadium.” Poor England loses out on the quality vrs. price war again…

I would also recommend that you check out a series of short videos by Garrett Hack that are available on www.finewoodworking.com. These are very short videos that really stress some of the basics about chisel choices, etc.

In conclusion, an example. I have a set of Home Depot purchased Stanley chisels which I bought for cheap. Not too happy with em. They look impressive but hold an edge poorly. In contrast, I bought a $1 generic old chisel at a flea market (has the “Sheffield” stamp on the blade) which looked like it spent most of its life under a bus. Sharpened and clean up, though, that old chisel blows the Stanley out of the water and is by far my chisel of choice for important work. Holds an edge forever. I guess the moral of the story is a decent set of chisels with good steel will make you happy even if they don’t look as pretty as their modern, plastic coated bretheren with inferior steel. Its sad that with progression of time we seem to go backwards in quality for many tools.

Best wishes.

Rick

-- Richard

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WayneC

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#6 posted 09-07-2007 02:11 AM

I agree Rick, I was recommending buying old stanley or buck brothers chisels because they can often be found for a dollar or two and would be a good way to get your feet wet. I have the older Marples blue handles that are my primary users and a number of “antique” chisels as well.

Of course the $60 or so for the chisels in his original post is not a bad deal for a starter set if you believe the review. Of course there is always Lie-Nielsons chisel line-up.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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gizmodyne

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#7 posted 09-07-2007 03:58 AM

I like the Marples too. Good starter set. Learning how to sharpen is paramount though.

-- -John "Do I have to keep typing a smiley? Just assume it's a joke." www.flickr.com/photos/gizmodyne

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Karson

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#8 posted 09-07-2007 04:59 AM

I use the Marples. I also have aset of Japanese chisles but havent sharpened them up yet.

I also purchased a set of nice chisles with rosewood handles. Also not sharpened yet.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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WayneS

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#9 posted 09-07-2007 05:53 AM

Thank you all for the great advice, and links to the resources. This gives me a great amount of detail to narrow my choices. I’ll post the outcome when I have them in my hot little hands.

Zuki – I found the info on FWW. Thanks for the tip, and the offer to foward the PDF.

Once again, LJ proves its worth. This site is awesome.

-- Wayne - Newbie looking to learn!

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Thos. Angle

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#10 posted 09-07-2007 07:13 AM

Wayne, I ‘ve got a mixed set of Stanley, etc. what ever.They do all right but I would like to have a nice set. I do have a full set or Robert Sorbey mortise chisels. They will do it. I read an article by Frank Klaus where he tested a bunch of chisels. He picked the blue handled Marples but said to cut some off the end of the handle.

-- Thos. Angle, Jordan Valley, Oregon

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#11 posted 09-07-2007 02:21 PM

I have had inexpesnive chesels my whole life and they all worked well for me. I would some what disagree with the groups recommendations. Buying cheep, soft steel, chisles may be a good idea for beginners.. hear me out :) the biggest complaint is that they have to be sharpened to often (they won’t hold an edge long) but the hardest part about (for me) about chisels is learnign how to sharpen the tool so ti can cut the hair from your arm. Here comes the plus side of cheep chisels (sorry it took me this long to get to the point), the more you practise your techniqe (sharpening) the better you get. Heance cheep chisles may be a better long term purchase due to the repeditive need to sharpen.

This year I finally bought the Robert Sorbey set of chisels (http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=295) and am very happy with them but I sure would not have wanted to learn how to sharpen on them :)

-- "so much to learn and so little time"..

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VTWoody

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#12 posted 09-07-2007 02:54 PM

I am expecting a little bit of extra discretionary cash over the next few months and have been looking at the Ashley Iles and the Robert Iles chisels at www.toolsforworkingwood.com . They are a bit pricey, but I am looking to get nice sets that I won’t have to replace for a very long time. The Lie-Nielsen set is also very tempting, but pricey as well. I like the Robert Sorby Mortise chisel I have, and would love to get the bevel edge ones that he has, but I absolutely detest the octogonal feel of those in my hands. They just feel wrong to me, and since I don’t have a lathe to make handles for them, I have decided to go with ones that feel nice in the hand.

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Douglas Bordner

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#13 posted 09-07-2007 03:04 PM

I’ve read some nice things about Narex chisels for cheapness. They are metric and got 4 of 5 stars in Amazon reviews. I have a set of old Marples, and a hodge-podge antique chisels including some Peugeot Brothers chisels my Dad probably pilfered during WWII. I re-handled the 3/4 inch one in Tulipwood and ground it with a longer bevel for paring work. Steel seems better, and “Frenchie” is my go-to cleanup chisel.

If you don’t mind spending time at it, I favor the Veritas MKII Jig and scary-sharpening.

-- "Bordnerizing" perfectly good lumber for over a decade.

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che

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#14 posted 09-07-2007 05:01 PM

If you will only do fine woodworking then I don’t think it matters which chisels you get. The less expensive ones will have softer metal which will dull faster but it will also sharpen faster. The better ones will stay sharp longer but take longer to sharpen once dull.

If, on the other hand, you do a mix of home improvement, fine wood working and other projects I would get a cheaper set of chisels first followed by a set with better steel as time and money allow. The main reason for this is if I hit a nail while working on the house I don’t feel too bad and removing the scar is a lot easier on the softer steel. I have a set of Marples Pro Touch from one of the big box stores. They dull fairly quickly but one or two minutes with a sheet of 800-1000 wet dry paper and they are sharp once again. I gave up on any kind of sharpening jig with the chisels since it can take as much time setting the jig up as touching up the chisel. I will break out the jig if I have a lot of material to remove like when I do hit that nail in the nail board in my plaster walls.

One other tip. If you ever plan on cleaning out mortises with the chisels get them in the appropriate units. (english/metric) A lot of metric chisels are sold with as the closest english size in the US. When you cut that perfect 1/4” tenon and try and slip it in the 6mm mortise it won’t quite fit.

-- Che.

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ernieb

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#15 posted 09-10-2007 03:48 AM

i don’t know a lot about chisels but my wife gave me a set of marples for xmas 6 years ago. they work graet. i keep an eye on the edges and if they seem a bit dull, take them across a sharpening stone. i’m very satisfied with them.

-- ernieb westerlo, ny

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WayneS

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#16 posted 09-11-2007 08:21 PM

Thanks again to everyone that provided input on this topic.

I finally decided to purchase a set of Marples ($32) that includes a 1”, 3/4”, 1/2”, and 1/4”. My decision was based on the fact that I was a newbie not only to chisels, but also to sharpening. I figured a set in this price range would provide me with a pretty solid tool to learn with, and at the same time not give me the jitters everytime I go to touch the stone with them. Another factor was the fact that I have seen many of my fellow students with chisels that run the gamut in quality and price. Hopefully I will get the chance to have a little closer look at these over the course of the semester, and educate myself on what my next purchase should be. Below is a picture of the 3/4” straight out of the box. Once I get a chance to shapen I’ll repost with my results.

chisel_new

-- Wayne - Newbie looking to learn!

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Dick, & Barb Cain

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#17 posted 09-11-2007 08:43 PM

That looks like kind of rough grind. You have a lot of honing ahead of you.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

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WayneC

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#18 posted 09-11-2007 09:33 PM

I saw Tormaks in the school shop I believe. I hope you can use them…

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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Mark Mazzo

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#19 posted 09-11-2007 09:36 PM

Wayne,

I think you made a good choice on the chisels. There is a lot of good info in this thread, but like a lot of things it’s easy to get paralyzed by all of the info and not take any action.

The tradeoffs between edge-holding characteristics and ease of sharpening are the two main points cited here and they are valid. The reality is that you are learning the craft and a little extra sharpening practice is not necessarily a bad thing. As long as you get them sharp and don’t run them into anything harder than wood, you’ll be OK!

For the record, I have an older set of Marples Blue Chip chisels (the Sheffield ones) and they have served me well for a number of years. Yes, they sometimes loose their a bit quickly on very hard woods, but once you have a good technique the sharpening goes fairly quickly. In fact, I often spend time in the shop just straightening up and doing some sharpening when in between projects so that chisels and planes are ready when I need them once the next project begins.

-- Mark, Webster New York, Visit my website at http://thecraftsmanspath.com

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Sherwud

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#20 posted 09-12-2007 10:07 PM

Wayne -

I agree with Dano and others, an inepensive but reasonable set is good for starting out, the Marples should do you well.

Once you are past those, VTWoody – yes, AIs are worth every penny !! After years of thinking, I pulled the trigger on a set of these (standard handle) 6 piece with the 1/8” and couldn’t be happier. I’ve POUNDED on these and no sign of trouble at all and still pare just great! Take a great edge and keep it !

I have Bucks, Noodendogits (sp!!), Witherby’s, Marples and a bunch of old workers but none are close to the AIs. And don’t forget, Joel has a return policy that is very open. If you are not happy, he’ll take them back!!, period. So you can’t really loose.

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kenndenn

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#21 posted 11-22-2007 08:19 AM

I read a couple articles about Japanese Chisels. Looked into them and almost choked

www.japanwoodworker.com

www.japanesetools.com

I purchased a set of Buck Brothers, good price and good english steel.

-- Kenn from Kennewick, WA

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