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Who Can Make a Benchtop Drum Sander?

by ChipOffTheOldBlock
posted 12-24-2015 07:30 AM


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tomsteve

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#1 posted 12-24-2015 10:47 AM

you will end up paying as much or more to have someone build you one. theres quite a few hours involved in construction of a drum sander. even if a shop labor rate was $20/hr, which would be very low, 40 hours of labor is $800 labor alone. then materials,overhead, and profit…...

how much you willing to spend?

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rwe2156

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#2 posted 12-24-2015 12:46 PM

What he ^ said. I don’t know how you an commission something like this. What if you get it in your shop and there are problems?

I would look for used equipment.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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Tennessee

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#3 posted 12-24-2015 12:51 PM

I agree with the above sentiments.
Also, concerning it being a piece of equipment that will not be used up to its value? I think myself I have passed on multiple projects, (quality end grain cutting boards come to mind), since I don’t have one basically because I just don’t have any more room in my humble 11’X24’ shop.

-- Tsunami Guitars and Custom Woodworking, Cleveland, TN

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#4 posted 12-24-2015 01:19 PM

I hunted for and found a Jet 16-32 open ended drum sander on Craigslist ($600) because I needed it to make some 30” counter tops. Figured I would use it on one project and then resell on CL. WOW, there are a lot of projects I have used that on since. Probably won’t give it up unless I come across a good 22-44 for a fair price.

You might reconsider the thought of a drum sander being a “secondary” or seldom used tool.

-- Rick - I know I am not perfect, but I will keep pressing on toward the goal of becoming all I am called to be.

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#5 posted 12-24-2015 01:53 PM

Chip, I’ve been considering building my own drum sander for over 2 years now – and hope to finally make it happen in 2016. I’ve looked at pictures and builds of more shop built drum sanders than I can count and have read through a number of sets of plans or detailed build records. When you start pricing out materials, you’re looking at $300 to $400 to build one yourself – the largest expense being a motor to power it, unless you have a motor on hand already. (I do – two, actually – which will dramatically decrease my cost to build one for myself.)

By the time you look at paying someone a fair price for their labor, your commissioned drum sander build will, as the above have mentioned, cost you at least as much as a new one.

If the price is too much for you, keep your eye out for a used one. Even with plans to build one, I’ve been keeping my eye out for a used one at a good price.

And, if you know how to use the tools you’ve mentioned having in your shop, you should easily be able to build a drum sander. It’s also something that would be a good skill builder to build – plan out the whole build ahead of time, take your time, etc.

I also agree with Rick – once you have a drum sander, I doubt you’ll view it as a “secondary” tool. Having been able to use someone else’s drum sander on occasion, I know that once I have a drum sander, I’ll likely be using it on just about every project I make. It have a small shop (13’x23’), but will certainly make room in my shop for a drum sander when that day comes.

-- Matt, SW MN, https://www.facebook.com/anewcreationwoodworks

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#6 posted 12-24-2015 02:00 PM



You might reconsider the thought of a drum sander being a “secondary” or seldom used tool.

I agree. I guess it depends on your work, but I’d give up my table saw before I’d give up my thickness sander. My band saw is my most crucial tool, but the thickness sander is pretty important to my work.

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fuigb

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#7 posted 12-24-2015 02:22 PM

Someone ping Mattias over at Wood Gears. Bet he could come up with something that would kick butt.

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#8 posted 12-24-2015 02:26 PM

I have yet to find any item that can be purchased on commission for less than a mass produced version. The mass production system eliminates as much skilled labor as possible to drive costs down. Commissioning an item is all about skilled labor doing everything, so of course it will cost more. Also, a private party shipping something like that will cost more than getting it shipped from someone like Grizzly. From what I have read, making one isn’t that bad. I need to make one for my guitar building, as my planer doesn’t do terribly well on figured woods.

-- Brian T. - Exact science is not an exact science

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2ndFloor

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#9 posted 12-24-2015 02:39 PM

I agree with the above. I have seen and purchased a used unit for $200 range. Just have to be in a a position to pull the trigger when it comes up. It took me about 6-8 months to find one in the price range I would spend. Once I did get it, I use it on most projects, saves lots of sanding. Good luck

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shipwright

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#10 posted 12-24-2015 02:50 PM

You didn’t mention if you had a lathe. If you do, this one is cheap and easy to build (~$100) and works very well.

-- Paul M ..............If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats he would have given us fibreglass trees. http://thecanadianschooloffrenchmarquetry.com/

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#11 posted 12-24-2015 03:04 PM

Thanks for the link, Paul. I’d forgotten about that. Now that I have a lathe, I should make one.

-- The quality of one's woodworking is directly related to the amount of flannel worn.

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#12 posted 12-24-2015 04:07 PM

Why not look for plans and follow those? I know Stumby Nubs has two different ones and there is one I tend to remember seeing in I believe ShopNotes a few years back that you can probably buy on their site. There might be a few others out there but those are the two that come to mind. With a good set of plans it would take a lot of the guess work out of the process and make it something I think most woodworkers could tackle.

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#13 posted 12-24-2015 05:42 PM

If you can build any kind of furniture or other woodworking project of any complexity, you can build this.

Click for details: Flatsander (V drum sander)

I didn’t even have any plans. I have yet to have much of a need for a thickness sander so this addresses 95% of what I would need a drum sander for.

-- Todd, Huntsville, AL

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#14 posted 12-24-2015 06:57 PM

I can probably build one for about $10,000 if you’re interested. It’ll take a couple iterations and a couple thousand in materials to work out the bugs and get something of similar quality to a manufactured machine. There will also be a few months of waiting for this to happen.

Or just open up Craigslist and find something ready to go. The sprockets, chain, motor, bearings to build a single machine will probably cost at least $400 and that’s before labor and design time get factored in.

Lastly, if the value isn’t justifying the expense, you really don’t need the tool. Random orbit sanders can get a person pretty far in most types of work.

-- See my work at http://remmertstudios.com and http://altaredesign.com

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#15 posted 12-24-2015 07:07 PM

Google treadmill drum sander or treadmill belt sander for some ideas on how to build one fairly cheap. Treadmills show up quite frequently for free or very, very cheap and have most everything you would need to build one.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#16 posted 12-24-2015 11:16 PM

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#17 posted 12-25-2015 12:59 AM

V-drum sanders are available but they seem to be a totally different breed of sanders compare to the typical open end sanders:
http://stockroomsupply.ca/shop/drum-sanders.html

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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#18 posted 12-25-2015 01:11 AM

Has anyone considered purchasing or selling shop made equipment (e.g., Blake’s router table)?

Speaking of shop made equipment… I ran across this shop made lathe on CL recently, and they are asking $3500 for it!

Kind of hard to read, but on the tail stock it says “Custom built by ….” and the guys name that I can’t quite make out. Says it has a 24” swing and a 10 foot bed.. and claims it can be run as slow as 20rpm up to “as fast as you may need” :)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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ChipOffTheOldBlock

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#19 posted 12-25-2015 01:25 AM



you will end up paying as much or more to have someone build you one. theres quite a few hours involved in construction of a drum sander. even if a shop labor rate was $20/hr, which would be very low, 40 hours of labor is $800 labor alone. then materials,overhead, and profit…...

how much you willing to spend?
- tomsteve

Makes sense. Frankly, I didn’t really expect that this would be a viable proposition because of the labor and shipping costs, but I didn’t realize that materials would be around $300-400 as Sprung mentions. The amount I’m willing to spend would be discussed in conjunction with a proposal.


What he ^ said. I don t know how you an commission something like this. What if you get it in your shop and there are problems?

I would look for used equipment.

- rwe2156

Good point about the potential issues. I thought about that. Something like a router cabinet would not carry that kind of risk but we’re talking about machinery here. I think used is the way to go.

-- "Excellence is a thousand things done just a little bit better"

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ChipOffTheOldBlock

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#20 posted 12-25-2015 01:28 AM



Has anyone considered purchasing or selling shop made equipment (e.g., Blake’s router table)?

Speaking of shop made equipment… I ran across this shop made lathe on CL recently, and they are asking $3500 for it!

Kind of hard to read, but on the tail stock it says “Custom built by ….” and the guys name that I can t quite make out. Says it has a 24” swing and a 10 foot bed.. and claims it can be run as slow as 20rpm up to “as fast as you may need” :)

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix

LOL… I can’t believe what some people expect on CL for absolute junk. It’s kind of sad b/c I can’t really ever find any quality products on my local CL. Some people try to sell a used (or even new) product for more than what it costs from Amazon or a big box retailer.

-- "Excellence is a thousand things done just a little bit better"

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ChipOffTheOldBlock

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#21 posted 12-25-2015 01:28 AM



You didn t mention if you had a lathe. If you do, this one is cheap and easy to build (~$100) and works very well.

- shipwright

Nope, no lathe.

-- "Excellence is a thousand things done just a little bit better"

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#22 posted 12-25-2015 01:30 AM



Why not look for plans and follow those? I know Stumby Nubs has two different ones and there is one I tend to remember seeing in I believe ShopNotes a few years back that you can probably buy on their site. There might be a few others out there but those are the two that come to mind. With a good set of plans it would take a lot of the guess work out of the process and make it something I think most woodworkers could tackle.

- Richard H

As mentioned, I don’t really want to build one nor do I think I could do so unless the plans were incredibly specific and materials were easily available.

-- "Excellence is a thousand things done just a little bit better"

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ChipOffTheOldBlock

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#23 posted 12-25-2015 01:37 AM



I hunted for and found a Jet 16-32 open ended drum sander on Craigslist ($600) because I needed it to make some 30” counter tops. Figured I would use it on one project and then resell on CL. WOW, there are a lot of projects I have used that on since. Probably won t give it up unless I come across a good 22-44 for a fair price.

You might reconsider the thought of a drum sander being a “secondary” or seldom used tool.

- cracknpop

I’m really glad to hear that you (and others) ended up finding it very useful for many projects and I can only assume well worth the money. I’m not too experienced with wood working but I’ve built up a pretty decent shop, but still need a couple major tools and I guess this is one of them.

On that note, I wonder if it would make more sense to get a drum sander or a thickness planer? My main use would be to get consistent thickness with individual or glued up pieces.

-- "Excellence is a thousand things done just a little bit better"

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jmartel

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#24 posted 12-25-2015 01:41 AM

Thickness planer, but you are limited to the width of the machine. Drum sanders can be open end, so you can sand panels that are twice as wide as the machine. Most small benchtop planers are 12-13”. Floor models start at 15” and go up from there.

-- The quality of one's woodworking is directly related to the amount of flannel worn.

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AZWoody

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#25 posted 12-25-2015 01:55 AM


I hunted for and found a Jet 16-32 open ended drum sander on Craigslist ($600) because I needed it to make some 30” counter tops. Figured I would use it on one project and then resell on CL. WOW, there are a lot of projects I have used that on since. Probably won t give it up unless I come across a good 22-44 for a fair price.

You might reconsider the thought of a drum sander being a “secondary” or seldom used tool.

- cracknpop

I m really glad to hear that you (and others) ended up finding it very useful for many projects and I can only assume well worth the money. I m not too experienced with wood working but I ve built up a pretty decent shop, but still need a couple major tools and I guess this is one of them.

On that note, I wonder if it would make more sense to get a drum sander or a thickness planer? My main use would be to get consistent thickness with individual or glued up pieces.

- ChipOffTheOldBlock

If you’re needing to do thicknessing, then get the planer because the sander can do it, but very slow.
What it’s good for is for sanding down veneers and also creeping up on a specific thickness. You can take off a little at a time and that’s how I’ve used it.

Also, I use it for rough lumnber that might be a little cupped or not flat. I will run it through that to help flatten it a bit before going to the planer.

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ChipOffTheOldBlock

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#26 posted 12-25-2015 06:03 AM


I hunted for and found a Jet 16-32 open ended drum sander on Craigslist ($600) because I needed it to make some 30” counter tops. Figured I would use it on one project and then resell on CL. WOW, there are a lot of projects I have used that on since. Probably won t give it up unless I come across a good 22-44 for a fair price.

You might reconsider the thought of a drum sander being a “secondary” or seldom used tool.

- cracknpop

I m really glad to hear that you (and others) ended up finding it very useful for many projects and I can only assume well worth the money. I m not too experienced with wood working but I ve built up a pretty decent shop, but still need a couple major tools and I guess this is one of them.

On that note, I wonder if it would make more sense to get a drum sander or a thickness planer? My main use would be to get consistent thickness with individual or glued up pieces.

- ChipOffTheOldBlock

If you re needing to do thicknessing, then get the planer because the sander can do it, but very slow.
What it s good for is for sanding down veneers and also creeping up on a specific thickness. You can take off a little at a time and that s how I ve used it.

Also, I use it for rough lumnber that might be a little cupped or not flat. I will run it through that to help flatten it a bit before going to the planer.

- AZWoody

Great feedback. I think I’ll go with a Planer. Now, I’ll have to get some thoughts on which planer to go with. I’ve been eyeing the D735 but also have read good reviews on less expensive alternatives. Probably a discussion for another thread, but any thoughts would be welcomed.

-- "Excellence is a thousand things done just a little bit better"

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