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Table Saw for Newbie

by sugnim
posted 10-16-2015 11:50 PM


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dhazelton

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#1 posted 10-17-2015 12:17 AM

Fence is not the best but it’s belt drive, has casters and a nice miter gauge and is only $125 – I say go for it. You could always sell it for that later if you don’t want it.

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BurlyBob

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#2 posted 10-17-2015 12:20 AM

Honestly Lil Buddie, I totally hate anything craftsman except there wrench and socket sets. The saw your looking at is a very basic starter. If that’s where you at and your comfortable that it will meet your needs. Go ahead. $125 should not break the bank. Just accept that this a learner and as your skills progress you will want a better saw. IMHO it won’t take a lot to out class that Sears. The only accessory I would suggest is a quality blade. Again, IMHO anything else that attaches to the machine is money that could be better put aside for a top quality upgrade. Kind of like the one the seller is upgrading to. Best of luck and welcome to LJ’s.

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Glen Peterson

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#3 posted 10-17-2015 12:20 AM

It needs a good tune up and cleaning, but nothing you cant handle. Well worth the price I’d say. Make sure the blade is parallel to the miter slots and that fence is then parallel to the slots as well. If your fence isn’t parallel to the blade you’ll have problems. You might consider an aftermarket fence, again getting a used one from Craig’s List would be where I’d look. I once owned a similar saw.
Cheers,

-- Glen

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bondogaposis

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#4 posted 10-17-2015 12:53 AM

Looks like a good stater saw.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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toolie

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#5 posted 10-17-2015 12:22 PM

Just make sure you incorporate a splitter. If the seller has the OEM splitter, it functions quite well, as splitters go. I have two similar saws and kept them over a 70’s vintage unisaw I refurbished. The fence isn’t the best but careful attention to the owners manual will make it serviceable. Good luck.

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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ChefHDAN

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#6 posted 10-17-2015 02:25 PM

Looks like there is a Diablo blade in it which is about $40 in itself. You’ll also need to close it up for some dust collection, I’d say offer $100 with $25 in another pocket, sad to see a top that rusty when the radial saw looks so clean. If you’re around DC, I’ve got a dust chute for the bottom of the saw for a shop vac you can have. Good luck!

BTW This is a really good book, if you’re not very familiar with how a TS is put together and could use advise for best practices, some of what you’ll see on you tube is scary

-- I've decided 1 mistake is really 2 opportunities to learn.. learn how to fix it... and learn how to not repeat it

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oldretiredjim

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#7 posted 10-17-2015 02:38 PM

Rust is no problem. I used liquid wrench to get it off. Disagree with BurleyBob. Those older craftsman 113.xxx are OK for the average person. Lots of people on this site have lots of $$$ to spend. Some of us on fixed income make due and still have fun with wood. I added a Delta T2 to mine.

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diverlloyd

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#8 posted 10-17-2015 06:24 PM

It’s a good saw and is upgradable. My wife’s grandpa had one that we sold to one of my buddies for 70 but it was a friend price. I played with it and had a lot of fun with it.

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markf

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#9 posted 10-17-2015 11:43 PM

sugnim

I looked at the CL ad and I don’t see anything about the 2.5 hp on the table saw. I had a saw just like that and stock it was 3/4 hp. I replaced the motor with a 1 1/2 hp and an upgrade fence and was happy with it for a long time. Only thing is after all that you’ll have well over $500 in that saw. That’s one way to go but you might get considerably more for your money in a saw that’s already set up, depending on your budget. If you’re serious about that saw MAKE SURE on that horsepower. You’ll pay $200 for just a cheapo 2 hp motor, otherwise it could be underpowered.

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Shuja

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#10 posted 10-17-2015 11:56 PM

It seems to have everything required for a startup. Just ensure alignment. If it is right go for it.
You can always make a sled …... & a lot of dust.

-- shuja

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MadGerman

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#11 posted 10-18-2015 01:29 AM



I had a saw just like that and stock it was 3/4 hp. I replaced the motor with a 1 1/2 hp and an upgrade fence and was happy with it for a long time.

Are there any issues with replacing the existing table saw motor with a heavier duty one? I have a Jet table saw with a 1 1/2 HP motor on it currently. I wondered about putting a 2 or 2 1/2 HP motor on it. Would that cause any problems with the saw operating properly?

Sorry to slightly derail the OP’s thread, but this question might help him as well.

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johnstoneb

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#12 posted 10-18-2015 01:41 AM

The saw will do anything you want it to do. The fence is garbage it needs replaced with a good aftermarket. It will not stay square to the blade.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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ForestGrl

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#13 posted 10-18-2015 03:31 AM


I had a saw just like that and stock it was 3/4 hp. I replaced the motor with a 1 1/2 hp and an upgrade fence and was happy with it for a long time.

Are there any issues with replacing the existing table saw motor with a heavier duty one? I have a Jet table saw with a 1 1/2 HP motor on it currently. I wondered about putting a 2 or 2 1/2 HP motor on it. Would that cause any problems with the saw operating properly?

Sorry to slightly derail the OP s thread, but this question might help him as well.

- MadGerman

I don’t know what the current prices are, but 6 years ago or so, a Jet 1-1/2HP replacement motor was over $300. If you’re replacing a motor on a contractor saw (as opposed to a cabinet saw), a 2- or 2-1/2HP will be even more; that’s an awfully big chunk of change to put into it.

-- My mother said that anyone learning to cook needed a large dog to eat the mistakes. As a sculptor of wood I have always tried to keep a fireplace. (Norman Ridenour)

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RogerM

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#14 posted 10-18-2015 02:24 PM

Save you money and buy yourself a good hybrid from Powermatic, Delta, or Dewalt.

-- Roger M, Aiken, SC

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TiggerWood

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#15 posted 10-18-2015 05:50 PM

If it has a two and a half hp motor, I would take it over anything I can get from a big box store for under $500. They’re decent saws. The only problem is the fence, and if it is a little jumpy, you may want to get a link belt.

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MrUnix

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#16 posted 10-18-2015 06:03 PM

AFAIK, those saws never shipped with anything larger than a 1.5HP motor (and called 3HP ‘max developed’). That allowed them to be run on standard 120vac outlets. If it has anything larger, it is most likely a PO replaced motor and would be running on 240v. Thousands of woodworkers cut their teeth on those saws, and they can be found used pretty much every day in the $50-$150 range depending on condition, accessories, etc… Not a steal of a deal, but not too bad. Offer $100 cash (use the stamped steel wings as a negotiation point).

Cheers,
Brad

PS: The “2.5HP” rating is shown on the RAS, not the table saw… same ‘max developed’ game being played though.

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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sugnim

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#17 posted 10-19-2015 01:25 AM

Thanks, everyone. Turns out the guy who has it posted it on the craig’s list for the wrong town! I can’t even get over to pick it up from him. I’ll keep my eye out though, and thanks for all the tips and info!

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rwe2156

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#18 posted 10-19-2015 12:24 PM

Good thing.

Pass on any of those old C’man saws – those fences are junk.
And don’t believe the label they are underpowered.

How do I know that?

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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ForestGrl

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#19 posted 10-19-2015 04:34 PM

My table saw journey started with a $99 bench-top saw, progressed to a “free” Jet contractors saw that needed a motor, to my current 52” Unisaw ($750 used from a retiring cabinet maker). I would have been very happy to start out with the saw you pictured for between $100 and $125! Closer to $100 for a 3/4HP motor. The miter gauge would sell on eBay between $25 and $45, looks like a good blade on there, and enough people here have had decent experience with the saw that it seems like a good bet for an affordable entry saw.

If you find another one, just be sure the motor starts up quick and strong, and the blade is parallel to miter slot through its tilting range (trunion assembly hasn’t been slopped up), and no problems raising and lowering the blade. Good luck!

-- My mother said that anyone learning to cook needed a large dog to eat the mistakes. As a sculptor of wood I have always tried to keep a fireplace. (Norman Ridenour)

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Tennessee

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#20 posted 10-19-2015 06:55 PM

Ha, got you beat, ForestGrl. My first “table saw”, (and I really use that term loosely in this instance), was a low end B&D circular saw mounted upside down in my one bench, with a worm clamp holding the trigger in the on position. I wired in a foot switch, and made a “fence” out of two clamps and a 2X4.

The amazing thing is I still have all my fingers and thumbs!!

And I am with BurlyBob – there is a reason you see so much Craftsman stuff on CL, and why I don’t have any Craftsman tools in my shop. Not one, not even a wrench…long sorry tale and I am totally cured of Sears.

-- Tsunami Guitars and Custom Woodworking, Cleveland, TN

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ForestGrl

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#21 posted 10-20-2015 03:26 AM

I don’t buy their power tools either, not since the 1970’s, but some of their older stuff wasn’t bad. What kind of non-Craftsman saw on a stand, belt-driven, with wings, a Diablo blade and an almost-collectible miter gauge can you get these days for $125? I would gladly go back in time and skip the cheapo bench-top saw if that Craftsman was available and didn’t have major problems.

I once had a table that could clamp up a circular saw or jig saw, similar to what you’re describing. I think I used it a few times when cutting little stock at a stable I ran back in the ‘80’s. Most vivid memory of it was when I was moving, was staring underneath to undo the clamps when my eyes re-focused on a Black Widow spider about 3” from my nose. Gave me a fright, that!

-- My mother said that anyone learning to cook needed a large dog to eat the mistakes. As a sculptor of wood I have always tried to keep a fireplace. (Norman Ridenour)

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a1Jim

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#22 posted 10-20-2015 03:47 AM

Welcome to Ljs sugnim
I’m not a fan of craftsman table saws but there are a great number of them for sale on CL in the $100-$200 range and there are not a lot of other saws in that price range. If you have a little bigger budget($400-$800 you might try and find a used Powermatic,jet or grizzly ,most of them require 220 volts to run,but they should serve you well for years to come.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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ForestGrl

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#23 posted 10-20-2015 05:50 AM



Welcome to Ljs sugnim
I m not a fan of craftsman table saws but there are a great number of them for sale on CL in the $100-$200 range and there are not a lot of other saws in that price range. If you have a little bigger budget($400-$800 you might try and find a used Powermatic,jet or grizzly ,most of them require 220 volts to run,but they should serve you well for years to come.

- a1Jim

There are Unisaws out there in that price range too, albeit the upper end. Not saying they’re any better, just adds to the list.

-- My mother said that anyone learning to cook needed a large dog to eat the mistakes. As a sculptor of wood I have always tried to keep a fireplace. (Norman Ridenour)

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SirIrb

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#24 posted 10-20-2015 11:16 AM

Heres a quick story for you.

I got my dads craftsman. the motor blew and I knew I needed another.
http://lumberjocks.com/topics/104290

This is the best and most addictive way to get equipment. As of now I am up a Uni, 2 shapers, a planer, a DP and a scroll saw for my son and I am out less than 1K and things to trade.

Warning: messing with old Iron is addictive. And you will have the joy of being free of any craftsman product and any lesser foreign product.

-- Don't blame me, I voted for no one.

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Jeffjr02

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#25 posted 10-20-2015 01:00 PM

I just went through this. I agree with MrUnix. Offer $100 and see what happens. These Craftsman saws are literally EVERYWHERE. That is one good thing….You can easily pick one or two more up for parts if you need. I paid high end for my Craftsman ($180). But the paint job is almost perfect, so once I clean up the mechanics it will look brand new out of the box. Just remember what a table saw is. A motor with a belt attached to a bar that holds a blade. There isn’t much to it. As long as the motor can handle the work and everything is aligned and true then it will cut.

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