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by Duffman
posted 07-23-2015 04:09 PM


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rwe2156

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#1 posted 07-23-2015 04:37 PM

The ShopFox is def worth the extra loot.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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#2 posted 07-23-2015 04:47 PM

I have the Dewalt and have been very happy. I’ve had it 12 years. Offer $450-500 for the whole setup. It’s a good deal.

I can’t believe I’m offering advice on a “what saw should I buy” thread.

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#3 posted 07-23-2015 04:53 PM

1) No, I wouldn’t pay that for the setup, even with the extras

2) Maybe, depends on what price range they are thinking

3) Good saw, same as the Grizzly 1023, IIRC. Only saving about $300 over the new Grizz and no warranty.

4) 22116 is a Craftsman model #, not a Steel City model #. Same manufacturer, so not really a major issue. A good hybrid saw, but honestly, if I had 220v power available, I’d spend the extra $200 on the Shop Fox 3HP cabinet saw.

-- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson

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#4 posted 07-23-2015 07:23 PM

Those are all viable saws, but the 3 with a price tag are all a tad steep IMO.

The Shop Fox is pretty significant step up and is worth giving some serious thought to, but I wouldn’t pay their asking price. It’s the same saw I’ve had since 2008, and it’s been a gem….it is indeed a white version of the G1023SL (FWIW, the BORK riving knife will fit, and works well on mine). I was fortunate to pay $903 delivered to my door due to some special promotions, but I think the going rate was more like $1300-$1400 new. I’d think fair price would be closer to $800….maybe even less. Can’t hurt to tell him what your budget is, and make an offer.

If the W1677 doesn’t pan out, the 22116 has cabinet mounted trunnions, a riving knife, and a full enclosure going for it….warranty probably isn’t worth much at this point.


...I can t believe I m offering advice on a “what saw should I buy” thread.

- DKV

Fun, isn’t it! ;-)

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Richard

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#5 posted 07-23-2015 07:55 PM

That Delta is most likely a Right Tilt Blade if it makes any difference to you. I have the Rockwell model of it with full cast iron wings which this one also looks to have and just wish I had the Biesmeyer fence for it.

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Duffman

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#6 posted 07-23-2015 10:06 PM

i believe the delta is a right tilt as well. Also I’d have to drive a lot further to get the shop fox, the closest is the steel city at about a half hour. The shop fox would be a 4 hour drive (one way), if that makes a difference.

BTW, thanks for all the responses, I really appreciate it.

Now… I just gotta sell off a few tools to help pay for the new addition.

-- I'm not addicted to buying tools or wood... I can stop any time I want!

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#7 posted 07-23-2015 10:08 PM


If the W1677 doesn t pan out, the 22116 has cabinet mounted trunnions, a riving knife, and a full enclosure going for it….warranty probably isn t worth much at this point.

- knotscott

Why wouldn’t the warranty be worth anything?

-- I'm not addicted to buying tools or wood... I can stop any time I want!

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#8 posted 07-23-2015 10:15 PM


If the W1677 doesn t pan out, the 22116 has cabinet mounted trunnions, a riving knife, and a full enclosure going for it….warranty probably isn t worth much at this point.

- knotscott

Why wouldn t the warranty be worth anything?

- Duffman

If it’s a Steel City saw, that company closed its doors April 1 of this year. Warranty and parts are supposed to be handled by another company that took it over, but I don’t know of anyone that has reported how they were to work with. If it’s actually a Craftsman saw, you shouldn’t have a problem.

-- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson

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bigJohninvegas

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#9 posted 07-24-2015 12:03 AM

I looked at used table saws for months never finding one that was in my budget, and not to used up.
if you can afford the $999 shop fox, I would look seriously at a new Jet saw. I’ve seen them starting
around $1199. + I think they have that 15% special going on. A friend just bought a lathe online with amazon,
and got the 15%+free shipping, + no taxes. Some tools can last forever. It seems table saws will wear out.

-- John

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#10 posted 07-24-2015 12:08 AM

I can t believe I m offering advice on a “what saw should I buy” thread.

- DKV


I can’t believe it either.it must be all the fume from the spray glue you are inhaling..

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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knotscott

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#11 posted 07-24-2015 12:38 AM


I looked at used table saws for months never finding one that was in my budget, and not to used up.
if you can afford the $999 shop fox, I would look seriously at a new Jet saw. I ve seen them starting
around $1199. + I think they have that 15% special going on. A friend just bought a lathe online with amazon,
and got the 15%+free shipping, + no taxes. Some tools can last forever. It seems table saws will wear out.

- bigJohninvegas

For $1200 he’d be looking at a 1.75hp Jet hybrid compared to a 3hp industrial cabinet saw….nothing wrong with that, but I wanted to point out the apples to oranges comparison to the OP.

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Duffman

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#12 posted 07-24-2015 01:05 AM

My first inclination is to go toward the shop fox, especially if I can get him to move down on the price.

I’m not too entirely sure how I feel about the Jet idea. My brother has a Jet, and it tends to bog down considerably when running harder stock through it. Granted its about 15-20 years old and is a contractor style, so its still not a great comparison. But in true brotherly fashion I feel compelled to get something better than what he has, haha.

-- I'm not addicted to buying tools or wood... I can stop any time I want!

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#13 posted 07-24-2015 05:27 AM

I got my Craftsman 22116 a few months ago, and have been extremely happy with it. It has a 1.75 hp motor, which is more than sufficient for my needs. The table is large and absolutely flat, and blade and fence alignments were spot on, so assembly and set up were pretty easy. I can’t speak to the other saws you’re considering. I’m not sure whether Steel City’s demise has anything at all to do with parts availability- in my experience Sears has always been pretty good at supporting their products parts line.

As for price, the 22116 lists new through Sears for $1000, and through Sears Outlet for $663.24 (at scattered locations)- you might be able to negotiate a better price than $799 with that info.

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rwe2156

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#14 posted 07-24-2015 09:57 PM

Duff – I think your instincts are right re: the Shop Fox.

Maximum affordable power is never a bad thing in ww’ing.

I don’t know what they sold for but the new models are $2000 saws.

I agree try to get him down, but even at $999 its an ok deal.
It will be twice the saw the others are.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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Marv

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#15 posted 07-25-2015 01:27 AM

I don’t know where you live but Craig’s list is oozing with cabinet saws of all brands in N + S Carolina. Last weekend I drove 400 mi rt for a Jet JWCS 10, a few little rust spots at the bottom, and surface on the top(all gone now) 4 quality blades, Excalibur fence system, Incra 1000 t-square setup for $350. It’s a beast and 1/2 hr of adjusting it’s dead on. Deals are out there just be patient. I was all set to pay that for a contractors saw, but the guy didn’t call me in time or I would have stopped looking. Just my 2 bits.
Happy hunting!

-- I have never asked someone to do something I haven't or won't do.

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#16 posted 07-25-2015 02:54 PM

Duffman – Please keep us posted and let us know how you make out.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Duffman

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#17 posted 07-26-2015 12:46 PM

not to throw a major wrench into the whole debate, but I just found also found a Festool Track Saw 55 EQ with MFT 1080 that is right in the same price range… thoughts?

-- I'm not addicted to buying tools or wood... I can stop any time I want!

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bondogaposis

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#18 posted 07-26-2015 01:37 PM

not to throw a major wrench into the whole debate, but I just found also found a Festool Track Saw 55 EQ with MFT 1080 that is right in the same price rangeā€¦ thoughts?

A track saw is very limited compared to table saw. How are you to going make dados or tenons w/ a track saw? Rip thin strips? Make repeatable multiple cross cuts using a stop block? Use a sled?

-- Bondo Gaposis

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#19 posted 07-26-2015 04:02 PM

The older version 1080 has been replaced with an MFT3 and while

that’s a great set up I’d tend to agree with Bondo.

Festool is a great system and you’d be hard pressed not to keep purchasing the
green kool aid.

A track saw and a table saw is a great combo :).

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#20 posted 07-26-2015 04:43 PM

Another one in line with: the Shop Fox is the right saw (of those listed) at the wrong price, and the track saw is no substitute for a table saw.

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rwe2156

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#21 posted 07-26-2015 11:47 PM

dittos on bondo and fred.

stifle that tool mania!!

remember the TS is the core of a ww’ing shop.

Focus, focus.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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jonah

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#22 posted 07-27-2015 12:00 AM

I think now more than ever it’s very possible to go without a table saw. You can make dados, tenons, and grooves using a router/router table, a router plane, and a shoulder plane. Repeatable cross cuts you can do with a miter saw, or, if you are lucky, a radial arm saw.

About the only thing you’d have trouble with is ripping thin strips, but that’s possible with the MFT/Track saw combo if you don’t need very long, very thin strips.

I’m not rushing to get rid of my table saw, but given the right circumstances, I could most certainly do without it.

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Duffman

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#23 posted 07-27-2015 02:11 AM

Again, Thanks for all the input guys I really appreciate your passion and opinions. As for the green kool-aide… I’ve already tasted it and boy is it good. I’ve got the Rotex 150, the Carvex, and the CT Midi dust extractor. I have used the track saw a lot while working for my brother as a finish carpenter, (probably as much or more than a table saw). It is a simply amazing tool that will be in my shop at some point, but alas, I believe you are right, focus… Its Table Saw time…

-- I'm not addicted to buying tools or wood... I can stop any time I want!

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#24 posted 07-28-2015 03:42 PM

I love my laguna Fusion, i know it not 3HP but it cuts everything i put through it. Good blade and insert are the only changes i have made. can easly cut stripe off that you can see light through.

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#25 posted 08-07-2015 05:14 AM

Hey guys, I finally pulled the trigger. I got… None of the above! I found a saw I simply could not pass up. For years I have been wanting this saw and had come to the conclusion that I’d not be able to afford one for a very long time. I ended up having to drive four and a half hours there to get it and it took considerably longer to get it home, because my tie downs kept breaking. I managed to pick up a Powermatic 66 for $500. It is currently set up with a 3ph 5HP motor. But I also got a 1ph 5HP Baldor motor as well. The saw has the large Powermatic side extension table, but unfortunately there was no fence or rails included in the deal. Here is a preliminary photo of the saw strapped down to the trailer. I’ll make sure I get a few more photos once I’ve got it all set up, running, and with a fence. Thanks again for all you input, I appreciate it.
-Ryan

-- I'm not addicted to buying tools or wood... I can stop any time I want!

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#26 posted 08-07-2015 10:33 AM

Sweet! Congrats!

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#27 posted 08-07-2015 02:31 PM

So adding in $300’ish for the fence/rails of your choice and you still total $199 less than the ShopFox…Awesome deal; deserving of a: You Suck!

R

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#28 posted 08-07-2015 10:21 PM

@russde, I’ve never been happier to hear those two words!

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#29 posted 08-08-2015 12:18 AM



I think now more than ever it s very possible to go without a table saw. You can make dados, tenons, and grooves using a router/router table, a router plane, and a shoulder plane. Repeatable cross cuts you can do with a miter saw, or, if you are lucky, a radial arm saw.

About the only thing you d have trouble with is ripping thin strips, but that s possible with the MFT/Track saw combo if you don t need very long, very thin strips.

I m not rushing to get rid of my table saw, but given the right circumstances, I could most certainly do without it.

- jonah

Or you can do all of that with one machine: a tablesaw!

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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jonah

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#30 posted 08-08-2015 02:29 AM

The point was that if you already own all those other tools, you could get by without a table saw.

Also a table saw does not replace a router, a miter/radial arm saw, or a circular/track saw.

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#31 posted 08-08-2015 03:44 PM



Hey guys, I finally pulled the trigger. I got… None of the above! I found a saw I simply could not pass up. For years I have been wanting this saw and had come to the conclusion that I d not be able to afford one for a very long time. I ended up having to drive four and a half hours there to get it and it took considerably longer to get it home, because my tie downs kept breaking. I managed to pick up a Powermatic 66 for $500. It is currently set up with a 3ph 5HP motor. But I also got a 1ph 5HP Baldor motor as well. The saw has the large Powermatic side extension table, but unfortunately there was no fence or rails included in the deal. Here is a preliminary photo of the saw strapped down to the trailer. I ll make sure I get a few more photos once I ve got it all set up, running, and with a fence. Thanks again for all you input, I appreciate it.
-Ryan

- Duffman

Ya done good son!

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Duffman

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#32 posted 09-14-2015 01:53 AM

ok, so it is all set up and running, as you can see from the photo the switch is currently on the floor. I will be mounting it to the post next to the saw in the next day or two. The conversion from 3ph to 1ph went easily. I was able to find the proper switch for the saw at a local tool store, they had one sitting on the shelf, who knows how long they had it, it was pretty dusty, but it is all wired up now, and it is a beast! I did end up ordering a new Powermatic fence for it as well, the rails came to me curtesy of craigslist. All in all, I am about $800-900 deep. Again, thanks for all your advice guys, I really do appreciate it.

PS. if anyone knows where I can come up with a cast iron wing for the right side and lives in/near NE Ohio, let me know, I’m looking for one.

-- I'm not addicted to buying tools or wood... I can stop any time I want!

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jonah

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#33 posted 09-14-2015 02:41 AM

I’m trying to wrap my head around when I’d need that ridiculous amount of cutting capacity. Looks like a solid saw though.

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#34 posted 09-14-2015 03:52 AM

You absolute, total, worthless Dog. You totally suck!!! I hunted for 4 years for that very saw and settled on a Delta X5. For me to get what you have I’d have had to travel 200-800 miles. The Delta was 10 blocks from my house. Nonetheless I’d much rather have your Powermatic.. May I say one more time…YOU SUCK!!

Just be sure to enjoy that awesome saw. It’s got to be the best ever made !

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#35 posted 09-14-2015 04:09 AM

I just drove to Atlanta (7.5 hours one way) to pick up a 2009 3HP LT Delta Unisaw w/52 Biesemeyer fence. The saw was $800 and gas was $150 total. I just finished cleaning/waxing it and refacing the fence which cost me $50. Total investment is $1000. It is worth every penny. I have/upgraded from the Dewalt DW744. No comparison between the two.

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#36 posted 09-14-2015 04:15 AM



I m trying to wrap my head around when I d need that ridiculous amount of cutting capacity. Looks like a solid saw though.

- jonah

Every table saw in the 3-4 cabinet shops I’ve been all had 52” rip. So I guess people do use the capacity after all. Pretty sure I did yesterday and it was nice.

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Nice score. I’m jealous.

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#37 posted 09-14-2015 04:16 AM



I just drove to Atlanta (7.5 hours one way) to pick up a 2009 3HP LT Delta Unisaw w/52 Biesemeyer fence. The saw was $800 and gas was $150 total. I just finished cleaning/waxing it and refacing the fence which cost me $50. Total investment is $1000. It is worth every penny. I have/upgraded from the Dewalt DW744. No comparison between the two.

- skdanser

That’s dirt cheap for a young saw.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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Duffman

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#38 posted 09-14-2015 02:04 PM



...For me to get what you have I d have had to travel 200-800 miles…

- BurlyBob

Burly Bob, I did drive a long way to get the saw. Not quite as far as skdansar, but I did put 600 miles + on the truck that day. transporting it home also proved to be rather difficult. The saw broke 6 of my 7 tie down ratchet straps on my trip home. I am glad I didn’t loose the saw (or destroy the trailer).

-- I'm not addicted to buying tools or wood... I can stop any time I want!

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#39 posted 09-14-2015 02:06 PM

I would go for the shopfox saw. It’s definitely worth the price as well as it will be the last saw you will prob have to buy. I sprang a couple years ago and got a general international 3 hp saw and absolutely love the extra added power as well as how easy it is to realign the saw blade square if it need adjusted. It’s a buy I think you will kick yourself if you don’t jump on it

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#40 posted 09-14-2015 02:09 PM

@Dullchisel

did you read all the way through the comments? I ended up with a 5HP Powermatic, with a larger rip capacity, for less money. I’m definitely not kicking myself for not going with the Shop Fox.

-- I'm not addicted to buying tools or wood... I can stop any time I want!

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