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Offshoot of Hawgnutz' Poly over BLO thread

by Douglas Bordner
posted 06-18-2007 11:19 AM


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MsDebbieP

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#1 posted 06-18-2007 11:30 AM

you call that rambling?
Sure sounded like “packed full of information” to me!!
Thank you

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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Douglas Bordner

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#2 posted 06-18-2007 11:38 AM

You are always welcome Deb. I just wanted to point out since I edited this while you were reading it, and because it is so important that one always Lay out your oil rags, blotter papers etc. to dry thoroughly before discarding so as to to not burn down the shop, house et.al.

-- "Bordnerizing" perfectly good lumber for over a decade.

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MsDebbieP

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#3 posted 06-18-2007 11:41 AM

good point. I do do that… sometimes taking them outside as well.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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Hawgnutz

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#4 posted 06-18-2007 05:23 PM

GREAT exposition! Like a condensed version of Dresdner’s book on finishing!
I picked up a lot of knowledge from your “rambliungs.” Thanks.
God Bless,
Hawg

-- Saving barnwood from the scrapyards

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Bill

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#5 posted 06-18-2007 05:35 PM

Nice write up Doug. It adds a lot to our knowledge of finishes.

-- Bill, Turlock California, http://www.brookswoodworks.com

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Dick, & Barb Cain

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#6 posted 06-18-2007 06:01 PM

Fine woodworking has a PDF about Poly wipe ons, so I used the Minwax satin wipe on, on my table. I liked it a lot, & was highly satisfied with the outcome.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

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Douglas Bordner

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#7 posted 06-18-2007 09:00 PM

After the passage of the fever accompanying the initial writing of this piece, I realize that without Frank’s comments about preparation only half the lesson is imparted to those newer woodworkers who are investigating this topic. If you wandered into to this entry first, make sure and go back to read this…

http://lumberjocks.com/topics/526

Of particular interest to new WWers, and somethiing that seems counter-intuitive to the un-initiated is the fact that you can actually sand the finishes you apply to level them, and after curing, to rub them out with progressively finer grits of sandpaper, non-woven abrasive pads etc. to adjust the sheen of the piece. This is the “finish the finish” piece that I was unaware of as I started back into this hobby. Nothing beats the silky feel of a hard-cured film finish rubbed out to perfection, then followed with a coat of fine furniture wax (not Pledge™…real wax). DO NOT rush this step. Give it a minimum of 72 hours, a week is better (shellac you can cheat to 24 hours if you are on a deadline). Let the finish cure before rubbing out.

My secret, and I feel a fairly revolutionary time-saver is the use of Abralon pads made by Mirka Abrasives for rub out. Traditional methods would be to wet the piece with paraffin oil, and then rub the piece with powdered pumice and rottenstone and a felt block. Can you say, messy. The abralon pads are cushioned 6” pads with grits up to P4000. You can dry rub out all the way to full gloss with your random orbital sander. Just be careful around the edges of your piece lest you burn through the finish.

-- "Bordnerizing" perfectly good lumber for over a decade.

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Bob Babcock

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#8 posted 06-18-2007 10:15 PM

Uh Oh….my head just went into overload.

Great load of info…..now for the processing. I’ve started with the Watco on my chair. I’m planning another coat then a shellac. The arms I plan to poly since they may get that neat scotch.

-- Bob, Carver Massachusetts, Sawdust Maker http://www.capecodbaychallenge.org

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oscorner

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#9 posted 06-19-2007 04:56 AM

So much to learn…so little time!

-- Jesus is Lord!

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mot

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#10 posted 06-19-2007 05:01 AM

Thanks for the info!

-- You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation. (Plato)

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Karson

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#11 posted 06-19-2007 05:14 AM

Doug – Great information. I’ve used Zinsser sand-coat a lot since I took a Jeff Jewitt class on Finishing. i like to use it for spraying and then do a French polish on top. So I use spraying to make the bodying up and then get the final finish by The polishing.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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gizmodyne

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#12 posted 06-19-2007 04:10 PM

Douglas…. Great post… Time for video?

-- -John "Do I have to keep typing a smiley? Just assume it's a joke." www.flickr.com/photos/gizmodyne

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David

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#13 posted 06-19-2007 05:07 PM

Doug -

This is a real treasure of information. One of those posts that will need to be read a couple of times to get all th nuggets of info! Thanks so much for putting this finishing primer together! I agree with John – video?!

-- http://foldingrule.blogspot.com

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Douglas Bordner

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#14 posted 06-19-2007 05:30 PM

The best I could do at this time is slides as the only video I have is an ancient 8mm tape job with S-Video out. Perhaps at this juncture we might have to stick to The Bordner Radio Zephyr Theatre of the Mind — In this week’s episode, Spid-ato Man is caught in the machinations of Fisheye, and his evil teenage sidekick Dust Nib

-- "Bordnerizing" perfectly good lumber for over a decade.

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Douglas Bordner

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#15 posted 06-19-2007 05:42 PM

and the following limerick, which I have heard attributed to Woodrow Wilson comes to mind

“As a beauty, I’m not a great star.
There are others much fairer, by far. But my face, I don’t mind it, Because I’m behind it:
It’s the folks in the front that I jar.”

-- "Bordnerizing" perfectly good lumber for over a decade.

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dalec

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#16 posted 10-17-2007 05:50 PM

Hi Douglas,

I am a newbie on this forum and just gaining an interest in woodworking.

I read your forum topic earlier this morning thinking I should print so I would have it when I needed it later. I promptly got going on something and forgot to print it out. So I have spent the last 30 minutes, well spent, finding your forum topic.

Just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your sharing of your knowledge with all of us LJ’s.

Dalec

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Douglas Bordner

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#17 posted 10-18-2007 04:13 AM

Thanks, Dalec. I appreciate the feedback. Most of the time I think to myself that I must come off as insufferably self-important and rather full of beans. But the fact of the matter is that I have read tons of woodworking material over the course of the last ten years and made more than my share of mistakes in the shop. If I can spare someone else a little of the flailing around I’ve done, then it is worthwhile to share what I can.

One of the really helpful tools Martin has put in place here is the favorites feature at the top of the page. They function like a browser’s bookmark feature and allow you to quickly reference blog, forum and project pages that you want to find easily. Or in my case, reference something that you want to build or do when you finally get around to it.

Glad you are enjoying Lumberjocks. This is a unique and rather awesome group of talented men and women who like to share, and seem to genuinely care about one another’s day to day existence. Welcome!

-- "Bordnerizing" perfectly good lumber for over a decade.

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Sawdust2

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#18 posted 10-18-2007 04:52 AM

Thank goodness for cut and paste.
Now stored with other fine woodworking information.
Thanks, doug.

-- No piece is cut too short. It was meant for a smaller project.

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SPalm

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#19 posted 10-18-2007 04:49 PM

Thank you Doug! I always felt my weakest link was the finish. Glad this popped up to the top of the threads. What a great read. I’ve snap-shotted a copy myself. I’ll give the favorites feature a try also.

Steve

-- -- I'm no rocket surgeon

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dalec

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#20 posted 10-18-2007 06:14 PM

Doug,

Thanks for the info about using LJ’s favorites feature. It is great.

Dalec

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#21 posted 12-10-2008 09:17 PM

Great info Doug, I am truly sorry I missed this the first time around. This is just fandamtastic.

-- (You just have to please the man in the Mirror) Mike from Michigan -

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