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LumberJocks Woodworking Awards Summer 2007

by Martin Sojka
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#1 posted 06-06-2007 09:28 AM

So when are you going to post the theme or topic for the awards? or have I missed it?

-- Tony - All things are possible, just some things are more difficult than others! - SKYPE: Heron2005 (http://www.poydatjatuolit.fi)

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#2 posted 06-06-2007 09:33 AM

Hey Tony.. there are 2 categories now – Garden Project and Wood Joinery – and you can read about them on the Awards overview page

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#3 posted 06-06-2007 10:55 AM

Thanks for the information – I will try to support this.

If people do not read this page how do you find the information about the summer Awards – I pressed every menu button and nowhere did I find a link to the awards pages. Is my version of LJ out of date?

-- Tony - All things are possible, just some things are more difficult than others! - SKYPE: Heron2005 (http://www.poydatjatuolit.fi)

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#4 posted 06-06-2007 11:44 AM

Hi Martin;
—-great news!!!
I’m really excited about this one and the prizes are coming up tops also!

Now as to which categories I’m going to be looking at, wellllllllll…......I think I’ll just be silent and see what comes forth. Now where did I leave that maple slab at…. and come to think of it, I know it’s time to start looking for branch wood….ah yes, life is good….

Happy journeys and joineries to all workers of wood as we continue to keep those wood chips curling.

And so again I thank you Martin, for your work in making all this possible and for the wonder-full place you have given us to gather here at LumberJocks. Bye the way I received my LJ shirt last week and thanks for the shirt….now I need to get back to writing a blog story….

Thank you.
GODSPEED,
Frank

-- --frank, NH, http://rusticwoodart.tumblr.com/

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#5 posted 06-06-2007 01:24 PM

I’m in this one for sure… (I came in a little late for the last one)
-Rick

-- Rick, Michigan, rick.blodgettoil.com

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#6 posted 06-06-2007 03:13 PM

I was just about to post a complaint about the Challenges/Awards…that there weren’t enough of them! LOL…Excellent!

-- You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation. (Plato)

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#7 posted 06-06-2007 03:18 PM

I’ll fire up the tools for this one too.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#8 posted 06-06-2007 03:28 PM

sweet prizes, eh?? !!! WOO HOO

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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#9 posted 06-06-2007 04:16 PM

Very nice plane!

Gosh, can I get away with putting off the stack of projects backed up in the shop to work on this?

-- Paul, Texas

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#10 posted 06-06-2007 04:49 PM

Martin does it again! And look at those nice prizes too. Now, which category to enter….

-- Bill, Turlock California, http://www.brookswoodworks.com

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#11 posted 06-06-2007 06:28 PM

By the way, in case anyone needs an idea for the garden project category, the latest issue of Woodcraft magazine has plans for an Adirondack chair. That could be an easy one to do.

-- Bill, Turlock California, http://www.brookswoodworks.com

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#12 posted 06-06-2007 06:33 PM

OK…I’m in this one…. I think I’ll need some more teak….maybe some lypytus too.

-- Bob, Carver Massachusetts, Sawdust Maker http://www.capecodbaychallenge.org

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#13 posted 06-06-2007 06:42 PM

I smell beech. :)

-- You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation. (Plato)

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#14 posted 06-06-2007 06:43 PM

aah nothing like going to the beech on a summer day :) Want to JOINtery the trip?

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#15 posted 06-06-2007 06:46 PM

I like the time link, Martin.
Looks like the deadline is 4 PM EST for me.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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#16 posted 06-06-2007 06:52 PM

Cool Martin! thanks for putting this together!

-- John

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#17 posted 06-06-2007 08:11 PM

Late for the last challenge, just in time for this one. I will be starting my designing tonight.

-- A man who moves mountains starts one stone at a time.

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#18 posted 06-06-2007 08:51 PM

Wow! Great Prizes and Great Catagories…don’t know if I will be healing in time for this or not. Ran in to a bump in the road. Anyway, Good Luck to all and I can’t wait to see the entries. Based upon the past competitions, I am sure we will see some outstanding projects come out of this one.

-- Greg - Charles Town, WV

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#19 posted 06-06-2007 10:08 PM

I hope your recovery gets better and that “bump” goes away.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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#20 posted 06-07-2007 03:33 AM

Wow look at those prizes… these contests just keep getting bigger and better.

Now that we all have Thorsen Tables on the brain, lets see how easy it is for us to switch gears and make something for the yard, and something only out of wood!

-- I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it. - Van Gogh -- http://blanchardcreative.etsy.com -- http://snbcreative.wordpress.com/

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#21 posted 06-07-2007 05:14 AM

Let’s do it! Great prizes, too!

By the way, any word on the Thorsen Table Challenge and the free subscription?

-- Jesus is Lord!

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#22 posted 06-07-2007 05:16 AM

I belive the Thorsen Table Challenge is being judged with results due 15 June.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#23 posted 06-07-2007 11:03 PM

OK here is the first serious question about the rules.

Wood Joinery - Let’s get technical – but without glues, metal nails, screws or other mechanical fasteners!

DO WOODEN DOWL PINS OR WOODEN SPIKES COUNT AS MECHANICAL FASTENERS?

-- Tony - All things are possible, just some things are more difficult than others! - SKYPE: Heron2005 (http://www.poydatjatuolit.fi)

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#24 posted 06-07-2007 11:08 PM

Tony, if it’s not metal and it’s not glue – then it is OK.

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#25 posted 06-07-2007 11:42 PM

Thanks Martin – I must go and find those reinforced kevlar pins, I had!!!!!

-- Tony - All things are possible, just some things are more difficult than others! - SKYPE: Heron2005 (http://www.poydatjatuolit.fi)

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#26 posted 06-08-2007 12:17 AM

lol hmmmm I think someone wants to test the rules!!! lol

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#27 posted 06-08-2007 11:34 PM

Hmmm, can’t even glue boards together then!

-- Paul, Texas

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#28 posted 06-09-2007 03:16 AM

don’t start building yet… I think Martin is still contemplating your thoughts on the subject

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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#29 posted 06-09-2007 03:46 AM

—-many ways to join boards without the use of mechanical fasteners or glues!

Tongue and groove, ship lap and then draw pin or wood peg it….butterfly’s and then what about the sliding dovetail which one runs along the edge of the wood and then slides the next board in place, mortise and tenon and wood peg….just off the top of my head.

After all, wood lives and wood moves….
GODSPEED,
Frank

-- --frank, NH, http://rusticwoodart.tumblr.com/

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#30 posted 06-09-2007 05:17 AM

Or you could use some fresh pine, the sap could help act as a natural wood glue.

-- I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it. - Van Gogh -- http://blanchardcreative.etsy.com -- http://snbcreative.wordpress.com/

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#31 posted 06-09-2007 11:56 AM

Frank/Scott.. those ideas are really helpful.
Speaking for myself, I don’t know much (or anything) about joinery so this will help me as I plan what to build and how to do it.

Any more ideas would be greatly appreciated as well.

Thank you , thank you. You made the “no glue” sound do-able.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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#32 posted 06-09-2007 04:32 PM

I wonder if you use superglue as the finish and some of that seeped into the cracks, would that still be OK? LOL

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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#33 posted 06-09-2007 05:10 PM

I promise I won’t make any more comments, but I think the exclusion of glue should be rethought.

Found this on the Internet:

“Nearly 4,000 years ago, the Egyptians were using hide glue for their furniture adhesive. This is proven by hairs found in Pharaoh’s tombs and by stone carvings depicting the process of gluing different woods. Hide glue is still in use today for wood gluing and over the years much has been written about the manufacture and use of hide glue for hundreds of other adhesive applications. With the evolution of synthetic (ready to use) adhesives, hide glue has taken a lesser role in industry but has maintained a major role in repair and restoration of antique furniture, reproduction of period furniture, restoration, production and repair of musical instruments as well as numerous other applications.
Most of the hide glue literature was written from the mid 1800’s to the mid 1900’s, and unfortunately much of this literature has been lost or abandoned.”

No glue – sure it’s possible – it’s doable – I mentioned the same methods Frank did to join boards in another part of the blog. Yet, I believe Frank makes the point for glue rather than against it. Wood lives and moves! Therefore, whatever we build will try to move and loosen and fall apart on it’s own – no matter how tight our joinery is when we enter the competition. There are only a handful of joinery methods that will last without glue. Others methods might look great during competition month but will result in a piece that looks “rustic” or is a pile of parts in a year or so – especially if there’s any strain of use. Thus, no glue actually limits our realistic options and creativity. Many wood joinery methods are so strong not only because of a strong mechanical bond but because they increase the glue surface area in the joint!

I told Deb that I’m not trying to be a sourpuss or rain on the parade, but I just don’t see the point. “No glue” is not more “traditional” unless you’re shooting for prehistoric traditional. “No glue” doesn’t make it harder or prove skill, it just limits the options. Perhaps what you’re shooting for in the joinery skill competition is really “all-wood-by-hand” joinery vs. metal assisted and/or jigs and machines/power tools joinery?

I’ll shut up now and have fun participating in the best way I can within the rules that are outlined.

-- Paul, Texas

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#34 posted 06-09-2007 05:19 PM

I AM SO EXCITED!!! SCHOOL IS OUT!!! Grades are in!!! THE WOODSHOP IS OPEN!!! This is the GREATEST SATURDAY of the YEAR—-Christmas X’s TEN!!! To wake up and get a weekend without anything to worry about only happens twom months out of the year…

So I am soooo happy—-and where did I go on the first saturday of my new life—-LJ…And now I will have time to learn my new tools (just got a new Shopsmith two weeks ago) and build away…Before the “summer awards” came out I was planning to still do Challenge 1 on my own after watching everyones brilliant work for 3 months…I may still do it…

This challenge is a bit different…since the project choice is soooo wide open…I will have to pick up some super glue—-based on the comments above it looks like the competition is going to get a bit sticky…

cant wait to see some great projects…

matt

-- Matt--Proud LJ since 2007

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#35 posted 06-09-2007 05:48 PM

Hi Paul;
—-when you say; “I believe Frank makes the point for glue rather than against it. Wood lives and moves!”....

I believe you have mis-understood what I am saying…..
Yes wood does live and wood does move and in the end, the result of this action will be, that the wood all-ways wins. Therefore what I have learned from this is that by building to allow for that movement from the start, produces much better and more satisfying end results.

GODSPEED,
Frank

-- --frank, NH, http://rusticwoodart.tumblr.com/

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#36 posted 06-09-2007 06:46 PM

The glues we have today are an absolute miracle no doubt, and thank God we have em. I think i understand the challenge to build without it though. Where you would normally use glue to make a flush and flawless joint, you now will be put in a position to accent and even draw attention to a “live” joint or connection. Sounds like an interesting challenge to me. Just pretend youre in a woodshop on a remote island and theres no dang glue to be found!

-- "The way to make a small fortune in woodworking- start with a large one"

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#37 posted 06-09-2007 08:06 PM

I promised to let it go and have fun.

Considering the wood species and joinery used, my single vote may not go to the prettiest. tightest or most difficult to execute, but to the one that will last without glue.

:)

-- Paul, Texas

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#38 posted 06-09-2007 10:08 PM

Thanks for this great discussion, Paul, Frank and others! Here are my 2 cents ;)

As you know I’ve first started this topic to request the ideas for the summer awards categories. And there you can find the reply made by Frank:

——-

This could fall into two themes for the projects:

1.)—-which would consist of ’Wood Joinery
a) ‘Wood Joinery’ in the purist sense of the definition means joining the wood without the use of glues, metal nails, metal screws or any type of mechanical fastener.

....and….

2.)—-joining the wood by ’Traditional Methods of Joinery
a) ‘Traditional Methods of Joinery’ would include the use of glues, nails, screws, mechanical fasteners; or any and all of the above combinations.

——-

So you can see the exact descriptions of both proposed themes by Frank.

Then I decided to add Wood Joinery (not Traditional Methods of Joinery) defined by Frank into our Summer Awards poll where all of you could cast the votes for the favorite categories. Aaaand, maybe surprisingly, Wood Joinery won so it become one of the categories. It was chosen in the democratic poll.

As you can see above the entries in this category should follow this rule: ”joining the wood without the use of glues, metal nails, metal screws or any type of mechanical fastener.”

I know it can be very challenging… but it was chosen by the majority plus we have another category to participate. And we will have different categories in the next Awards ;) So by deciding to participate in this category you’ve actually decided to use pure wood joinery.

As you know from th Winter Awards I have no intention to ban the entries. You will be the judges. And you will also judge how each respective entry follow the rules…

Hope this makes sense ;)

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#39 posted 06-10-2007 01:15 AM

well said Martin – and very good points.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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#40 posted 06-10-2007 01:25 AM

Paul, I respect your point of view and how you have verbalized your perspective.
It isn’t always you hear someone speak their mind so AND look forward to participating. Bravo :)

As Frank often says, “it “JUST IS”...

I also have to say that I have enjoyed reading the informative discussion about glue and joinery – so even if I don’t try to build something for the category, I sure have learned lots!!

Thanks everyone for their thoughts and their expertise.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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#41 posted 06-10-2007 04:41 AM

Been doing some research with Mr Google, as Frank calls him. Thought I would share this lead – it looks like our Chinese brothers/sisters might have something to teach me (us) in this joinery challenge! Stuck in the Western box? Think Eastern (Japanese, too)! Many refer to this source:

Chinese furniture : hardwood examples of the Ming and early Qing dynasties
by Robert Hatfield Ellsworth

Too much to buy ($100+ on-line) – only about 5 library copies in the state of Texas according to the internet. I’ll see if I can get it through inter-library loan.

-- Paul, Texas

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#42 posted 06-10-2007 05:32 AM

I was just remembering some Japanese box joints I’ve seen earlier, and I know are linked around LJ somewhere… some really fancy stuff – mind boggling. Some versions of dovetails that look like the tails are on both boards, in lieu of pins, and the pieces slide together diagonally, and once together… that’s it. can’t take em apart – not without the risk, or likelyhood of damage…. I was thinking to look east. Looks like I won’t be the only one in that camp.

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#43 posted 06-10-2007 05:55 AM

This is going to be fun…...I have about 5 ideas already…..

-- Bob, Carver Massachusetts, Sawdust Maker http://www.capecodbaychallenge.org

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#44 posted 06-10-2007 12:15 PM

I think Frank posted those links in an earlier post. They were AMAZING and if I remember correctly some of the joints just looked like they interlocked and were just for “eye candy” while the actually interlocking part was much simpler… that’s what I remember of the joints hehehe that was back in my “use screws to put a simple butt joint together” days.

Yup.. this is sure going to be interesting

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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#45 posted 06-10-2007 02:27 PM

There’s getting to be too much on LJ to keep up with. I’ll have to go find those links!

-- Paul, Texas

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#47 posted 06-10-2007 11:17 PM

Deb-

Thanks. I missed that whole discussion somehow.

-- Paul, Texas

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#48 posted 06-11-2007 12:24 AM

Wow! Lots to think about…

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#49 posted 06-11-2007 03:20 AM

it’s easy to miss something these days.
Now if only someone could design my project, show me how to do the glueless/screwless joint… and stand beside me while I attempt it all—I’ll do just fine :)

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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#50 posted 06-11-2007 04:47 AM

Just pull out the willow Deb and you will be fine, with or without us bystanders….

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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