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Need opinion on Craftsman 12" bandsaw w/tilting table

by abehil
posted 09-26-2014 08:00 PM


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Dallas

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#1 posted 09-26-2014 08:06 PM

Do you have a picture possibly?

If it’s like my old Craftman 12” with the 1 1/8HP motor, (exaggerated advertising), it’s a pretty good little unit but only has a 6” resaw capacity. It is also a 2 wheel unit with an 80” blade up to 1/2”.
I went through about 4 3 and 4 tpi blades before I learned how to lock the arm at 90° and never change it. That will screw everything up.
Good luck, mine was given to me about 4 years ago and works like a dream, up to it’s capability.

-- Improvise.... Adapt...... Overcome!

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#2 posted 09-26-2014 08:07 PM

Do you have a pic? I have the Rikon 12” craftsman and it is a really good saw—basically a slightly smaller 14” That one at $100 is a steal.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#3 posted 09-26-2014 08:11 PM

Here is a picture.

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#4 posted 09-26-2014 08:20 PM

If you’ve got room in the footprint of your shop I’d say wait and keep looking, the 14: saws can usually be found in the $150 to $250, and the extra space is priceless when you need it.

-- I've decided 1 mistake is really 2 opportunities to learn.. learn how to fix it... and learn how to not repeat it

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#5 posted 09-26-2014 08:21 PM

Given the pic, I’d say it is decent for most bandsaw ops, but very poor for resawing. That has become more important to me over time, so I would pass on this one if it were me. The blade in my 12” craftsman is 89.5” and gives 6+” of resawing capacity.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#6 posted 09-26-2014 08:23 PM

This is what mine looks like, probably a 113.XXXX model.

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#7 posted 09-26-2014 08:25 PM

I agree with CharlesA. If mine hadn’t been given to me I would have gotten a different one.

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#8 posted 09-26-2014 08:28 PM

Mine looks like this. http://s263.photobucket.com/user/001photo/media/_MG_3231.jpg.html. I recommend this model if you can get a good price, $150 for mine.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#9 posted 09-26-2014 08:48 PM

Charles, according to my Malware/Spyware software and my Antivirus, your link wants to install a bunch of unsolicited junk if you click on the link in the lower left window.

I do like your saw better than mine though!

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#10 posted 09-26-2014 08:55 PM



Given the pic, I d say it is decent for most bandsaw ops, but very poor for resawing. That has become more important to me over time, so I would pass on this one if it were me. The blade in my 12” craftsman is 89.5” and gives 6+” of resawing capacity.

- CharlesA

When you say “poor for resawing” are you saying it can’t saw the 6” it says it should or are you saying 6” just isn’t sufficient for you anymore?

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Dallas

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#11 posted 09-26-2014 09:18 PM

It probably doesn’t have enough resaw capability to be able to do what you want. That has to do with HP and blade capabilities mostly.

Mine says it’s 1 1/8HP but seriously, that is at what they call Locked Rotor draw.
Mine is probably closer to 1/2 or 3/4HP.

Anything less than that will make it almost painful to do resaws at 6” with.

-- Improvise.... Adapt...... Overcome!

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#12 posted 09-26-2014 09:52 PM



It probably doesn t have enough resaw capability to be able to do what you want. That has to do with HP and blade capabilities mostly.

Mine says it s 1 1/8HP but seriously, that is at what they call Locked Rotor draw.
Mine is probably closer to 1/2 or 3/4HP.

Anything less than that will make it almost painful to do resaws at 6” with.

- Dallas

I’m probably not going to be resawing 6” blocks. I’m ok if it’s not a speed demon on the rare occasion that I might want to resaw 2×6’s.

I’m just about at the level where I am interested in building some shop cabinets for my garage and just want to do a better job than just a table saw is providing when needed. It’s my first bandsaw. I have time to find out if I need a bigger one. And the 14” around here are not selling for $100 like some like to brag about. $250 is the cheapest I’ve seen. And it’s 125 miles away in the boonies and it weighs double or triple the 12” saw and has no blade so I wouldn’t be able to test it out even.

I could get a Jet 10” for $150 but it only resaws up to 4.125” and while it’s a good looking saw I do want the option to resaw a 2×6 sized piece if I want to.

My next purchase will be a thickness planer. I missed one at $100 by a couple minutes – it sold in 20 minutes of being posted. Most of the planer’s on craigslist within about 250 miles from me are at about 80% new purchase price. I saw over 70 planers listed at that too high of a price and only ONE at $100. I think I’m going to have to buy a new one and it’s likey to be the Porter Cable PC305TP at lowes for $269 and I’ll be using a 10% coupon. Maybe they will honor a HarborFreight 20% coupon?

All in all this is a lot of money for a regular joe like me.

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Dallas

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#13 posted 09-26-2014 10:16 PM

Hmmmm, where are you located? It’s not in your profile which is what helps a lot of us figure out what something in your area is worth.

If you want a nice planer, rebuild mine. You can have it free but you have to pay shipping.

It’s a 22-580 Delta that will do just about everything you want, as long as you are doing anything under 13 1/2”.

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#14 posted 09-26-2014 10:22 PM

6” isn’t the question for the resaw, the problem would be how much power the motor has to be able to do the work.
A lot of the bandsaw and tablesaw mfg’s had a tendency to be overly optimistic about HP.

I’ve seen some of the the 12” saws that were under 1/5th HP. Look at the motor plate. How many watts?
How many amps does it draw?
Volts X amps = watts. Check to see it matches with the name plate.
HP is basically 746 watts, give or take 100 or less for losses.

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#15 posted 09-26-2014 10:31 PM

Dallas, your malware detector must not like photobucket.

+1 to Dallas’ comments on resawing.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#16 posted 09-26-2014 10:44 PM

The saw you are asking about great for small crafts, re-sawing would lead to lots of frustration.

Entry level bans saws

http://www.sears.com/craftsman-14-inch-band-saw/p-00932607000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1

http://www.lowes.com/pd_78159-46069-PCB330BS_0__?productId=3162487&Ntt=

They do not come with a fence or miter gauge but have enough horsepower for resawing. You can make your own fence and buy an aftermarket miter guage.

If want a fence & miter gauge look at Grizzly G0580 with ¾ HP or G0555LANV with 1 hp motor.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/14-Bandsaw-3-4-HP/G0580

http://www.grizzly.com/products/14-Deluxe-Bandsaw-Anniversary-Edition/G0555LANV

If can find a used Delta made before 2000 even with a ¾ horsepower motor it will have no problem re-sawing 2 x lumber. Those saw made later and sold by Lowes were junk. Even a used Jet will work.

-- Bill

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#17 posted 09-26-2014 11:05 PM

I have had one of those for more than 20 years now and I am very happy with it. All I have ever replaced so far has been blades. That used to be Craftsman standard. Today, I wouldn’t touch a Craftsman product with a 10 foot pole.

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#18 posted 09-27-2014 12:00 AM



Hmmmm, where are you located? It s not in your profile which is what helps a lot of us figure out what something in your area is worth.

If you want a nice planer, rebuild mine. You can have it free but you have to pay shipping.

It s a 22-580 Delta that will do just about everything you want, as long as you are doing anything under 13 1/2”.

- Dallas

Yes, I would like to try that rebuild of your 22-580 Delta. What parts on a planer can be rebuilt and do I buy them or have them made?

I updated my profile. Ocean Shores WA. I’m pretty much in the boonies. Closest town of any size is 20 miles to Aberdeen. Anyway, I go over to Kent which is south of Seattle periodically so I can swing pretty wide in my drive. Let me just say the traffic in the Seattle-Tacoma area is more intense than anyone can imagine. Driving 15 miles can take 45 to 60 minutes on an average day. It’s sort of like “you can’t get there from here” no matter where you are!

Having said that, you would think that since Foremost is actually in Kent that there would be a ton of old machines but I have yet to find them.

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#19 posted 09-27-2014 03:26 PM

I have had a saw like that for 34 years I guess. Since about 1980. I was given a second one like it a couple of years ago. They are okay for cutting curves etc. I don’t think it will resaw much. I think both of mine have 1/2 hp motors on them. Whatever the standard motor happened to be at the time. The most recent has an extension on the table and a fence. It also has a speed reduction on it. They had a plastic frame up the back so don’t expect too much out of them. They have their place and don’t go far out of that place. I have been happy with mine but I guess I haven’t expected much out of them.

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Dallas

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#20 posted 09-27-2014 03:43 PM

abehil, Boy, do I know where Ocean Shores is.
My sister and brother in law have lived there for years!
I also lived in Washington for many years so I know where just about any place is….. Even George.

I will see what it would cost to ship the 22-580. It probably weighs close to 100 lbs. I know USPS won’t take it unless it’s broken down into pieces. I think Fedex will but we’ll have to go into town to find the Fedex or UPS place. We are also boonie lurker. The town I live in just got a stop light about 7 years ago. It has been a great boost to the local economy with $550 tickets to tourists and out of staters!

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#21 posted 09-27-2014 03:49 PM

As for parts, most are available on line, although they can be expensive.
The driven pulley is the downfall of these machines. They were cast from a bad alloy of pot metal then machined to fit. Most of them are so brittle they will break into pieces under heavy torque.
If you know of a place, I would have one machined from steel. Belt is about $30.
Transmission is of poor metallurgy also, especially for the price they want you to pay for a new one.
I would have those machined from better metal also.

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#22 posted 09-27-2014 04:15 PM

I have the same saw, it works ok as intended. Resaw is nearly impossible with it. I am also in the market for a better band saw. I pais $30 for mine and you get what you pay for.

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#23 posted 09-27-2014 04:23 PM

No not worth it. Unless its from the 50’s or earlier, not worth squat.

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