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Vacation, (kind-a) with questions

by Roger
posted 03-29-2014 12:57 PM


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Sheila Landry (scrollgirl)

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#1 posted 03-29-2014 01:01 PM

I am happy to hear that you are adding on to your shop. (We are ALWAYS happy to see other woodworkers expanding, I think!) I look forward to the pictures – messy or not – so we can see your progress.

Congratulations! You do such beautiful work! I can’t wait to see how you do. :)

Sheila

-- Designer/Artist/Teacher. Owner of Sheila Landry Designs (http://www.sheilalandrydesigns.com) Scroll saw, wood working and painting patterns and surfaces. "Knowledge is Power"

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#2 posted 03-29-2014 01:03 PM

The code is to exhaust air to the exterior , ie thru roof or exterior wall. If codes not an issue do what you want, but obviously you’ll be exhaustung the fumes to the interior of the shop or an open but vented attic!

-- Greg D, Cen. CA, "Keep it on the Level, Do it Right the First Time!"

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#3 posted 03-29-2014 01:09 PM

The code is to exhaust air to the exterior , ie thru roof or exterior wall. If codes not an issue do what you want, but obviously you’ll be exhaustung the fumes to the interior of the shop or an open but vented attic!

-- Greg D, Cen. CA, "Keep it on the Level, Do it Right the First Time!"

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#4 posted 03-29-2014 01:15 PM

Have fun and enjoy your expansion. As for a bathroom exhaust, I live in the country so no code problem. I vented a bathroom exhaust into a very well insulated and vented attic 20-years ago and have not had any problems. Hope this helps.

-- John C. -- "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth." George Washington

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#5 posted 03-29-2014 01:29 PM

Shop expansion…oh yeah…!
When the weather is good I use a exhaust fan that I place by the window….when I fart I don’t bother to turn the fan on. If you have a finishing room then a permanent fan is good but definitely vent it outside…especially if you don’t like the smell of the finish you use. I use lacquer a lot and it definitely needs venting.

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kdc68

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#6 posted 03-29-2014 01:49 PM

I’ve been out of the construction trade for many years now, but my $0.02 might be still be relevant here. The purpose and code requirements for venting a bathroom exhaust fan via through the roof or exterior wall is to let moisture from the bathroom escape outside. Moisture from a shower for instance that’s vented into an attic could cause moisture problems. Those problems could be mold and rot on and within the structure (roof deck, framing, and insulation). If you live in a cold climate, that moisture could freeze in the attic space as well.
You’re situation is different though because this is a finishing room and not a bathroom, so moisture isn’t a concern. But fumes from your finishes is and perhaps the reason for needing ventilation. IMO, I would vent to outside versus another part of the shop or into an attic space.
If a bathroom exhaust fan is a plausible solution for removing finishing fumes then follow guidelines on sizing. A bathroom exhaust fan sizing (I think from what I remember) is based on CFM. Base the size of the room per the CFM rating on the exhaust fan, but IMO, I would size it over and get a exhaust fan rated for a bigger space.

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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#7 posted 03-29-2014 02:56 PM

Roger i would think out side for sure with the fumes involved ,,maybe one of those thur the wall vac connections ,good luck on the Expansion more room is always a good thing

-- Jesus Is Alright with me

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#8 posted 03-29-2014 03:13 PM

I use a bathroom exhaust fan installed to vent through the exterior wall when I use shellac and polyurethane
to finish projects in my downstairs workshop. I brush the finish, not spray, if you are spraying, you will have
to use one of the fans with a adequate cfm rating.

-- As ever, Gus-the 79 yr young apprentice carpenter

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#9 posted 03-29-2014 03:42 PM

That’s great your expanding your shop. If your going to use flammable materials you may want to think about an Explosion Proof Exhaust Fan they cost more but they are a lot safer than using a bathroom fan. I would not vent into the attic I would definitely vent outside.

http://www.cincinnatifan.com/explosion-proof-fan.htm

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#10 posted 03-29-2014 05:15 PM

Hey Roger, I may be completely off base here, but I get the idea that you used the word “bathroom” simply because that is the type of fan, and not necessarily having anything to do with a bathroom per se. SO, if that is the case, it seems you could vent in any direction you wanted as long as you are venting to a place with adequate ventilation. You could even consider going through a side wall and using a dryer vent hose setup if the logistics make it feasible.

-- There are good ships and there are wood ships, the ships that sail the sea, but the best ships are friendships and may they always be. http://www.geraldlhunsucker.com/

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#11 posted 03-29-2014 05:37 PM

Hi Roger,
When I built my shop and small finishing room, I installed a central exhaust fan used venting multiple bathrooms in a house. It delivers a lot more CFM than a single bath fan. Also, as Jim mentioned, when considering explosion proof, I found that the main element for explosion prrof was that it did not have metal parts that could cause a spark. The central exhaust fan I found was almost all plastic so I went with it. It exhausts to the outside which is a must and does the trick in my finishing room. I made a box that holds a filter to trap particles prior to hitting the fan mounted in between the ceiling joists. I think this fan was a little over $100.

-- Marty, https://www.MyChipCarving.com, 866-444-6996

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#12 posted 03-29-2014 06:10 PM

I would add that you have to take into account what it will be exhausting. If there might be dust in it, it would be best to go outside or be filtered before it is dumped inside. My 2 cents worth!!...Have a great weekend…Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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PASs

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#13 posted 03-29-2014 06:31 PM

Roger,
Code is certainly important, don’t want to blow yourself or the house up.
But if you’re outside the city and its a separate structure here’s a couple of thoughts.

Instead of sucking the fumes out with a bathroom exhaust fan (explosion proof blower required) consider PUSHING outside air into the space but with an exhaust port from the room to the exterior.
That would minimize the explosive vapor issue.
I’d make sure to turn the fan on before you start finishing to establish an air flow to keep any vapors from getting to the fan motor.
You could certainly use a bathroom vent fan in that case and I’ve seen some nice little axial flow fans at Northern Tools.
And I’m thinking dryer vents for the exhaust ports. You could put more than one in different locations (high and low). You can even put one from the blower on the INSIDE of the room to keep vapors away from the motor if its off.
And while I’m in creative mode a bathroom timer would let you set it and forget it for projects that you want to leave the fan on to try/cure.

-- Pete, "It isn't broken, you just aren't using it right."

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#14 posted 03-29-2014 06:44 PM

Definitely exhaust to outside. Whether or not you have code issues or location isn’t a problem, exhausting in the attic is not a good idea.

-- Dave, Downers Grove, Il. -------- When you run out of ideas, start building your dreams.

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#15 posted 03-29-2014 07:08 PM

Sounds like a great project Roger. I agree with PASs, you do not wan to get in to the Long Yankee Green required to do explosion proof fans, ect. Push frash air in and let it exhaust through a few vents with back draft dampers.

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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Roger

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#16 posted 03-30-2014 12:11 AM

Hey everyone. Thnx for all your thoughts and suggestions and such, I am actually going to change my “floor” plan around so I will have a window to the outside. There are many gr8 ideas here for anyone else with that is scratching the noggin over the same thoughts.
I really appreciate all ya’ll’s input/s.

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Keep your dust collector fed. Kentuk55@yahoo.com

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#17 posted 03-30-2014 01:38 AM

Roger, good luck with the renovations. Look forward to seeing you back soon.

-- Grumpy - "Always look on the bright side of life"- Monty Python

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#18 posted 03-30-2014 03:17 PM

That push idea of Pete’s sounds like a sensible Idea to me. I might consider something like that for my shop.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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#19 posted 03-31-2014 06:19 AM

hey Roger looks like you have alot of great ideals here and what Im about to type may have already been stated…If you have perforated soffits along your eves then the easiest way to vent the exhaust fan in place of going thru the roof is to vent it out by your soffit through the attic, cut you aboard to fit inbetween your trusses or rafters were they meet the exterior wall drill a hole in the center to fit the exhaust line and if you dont have a vented soffit you can always cut out a section and add a critter screen to the exterior

hope this helps, cant wait tp see the finished shop

Joe

-- Joe, Florida

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#20 posted 03-31-2014 02:35 PM

Hard work yes, but never a chore when out working in the shop. Have fun in there Roger.

David

-- No one plans to fail, they just, just fail to plan

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Roger

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#21 posted 04-17-2014 11:39 PM

I’ve been hard at it for about a month now. Getting things situated a little at a time. I’m liking my extra space so far. Have a way to go to get all the little sh__ put back together.
This is all my stuff crammed in together to make room to put the walls up, and a few more of along the way pics.
Thnx for lookin. Any comments, good/bad/ugly, and/or thoughts, are all appreciated. WHEW! I’m tired.

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Keep your dust collector fed. Kentuk55@yahoo.com

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Roger

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#22 posted 04-17-2014 11:40 PM

I see above that the pics are outta whack…............... Like me..

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Keep your dust collector fed. Kentuk55@yahoo.com

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changeoffocus

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#23 posted 04-17-2014 11:58 PM

I agree with those who told you not to exhaust into the attic.
I think the pushing of air to avoid use of an explosion proof motor is a sound suggestion if you filter the air.
Somebody may have said that if you use an exhaust fan with a motor outside of the airstream like an axial fan you could avoid the EP motor, but please check that with a vendor.
As to code I suggest you not call your room a paint booth.
I do remember seeing a very nice setup in the shop section of the site when I was borrowing ideas.

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kdc68

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#24 posted 04-18-2014 01:12 AM

Looking good Roger...those the pictures are dated…pretty easy to decipher…lol

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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