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Is the Grizzly G0690 the Best Cabinet Saw Value?

by ras61
posted 03-28-2014 03:37 AM


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Paul

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#1 posted 03-28-2014 03:51 AM

I just bought a Steel City 35990g “contractor” saw. I got mine for $500 from my local warehouse that was selling their floor models. utterguys.com sells them for the retail price and far less that the true cabinet saws.

It takes much more work to seal the cabinet for dust collection but so far I’m happy with it. 32” rip to the right and 24” to the left. It passes the nickle test and cuts 4/4 maple without slowing at all.

Can view it by clicking it in my profile and workshop.

It gas a granite top not cast iron, so far I’m in love with the granite. The only downside to granite is you can’t tap into it for future fence upgrades. That said every single Steel City table saw fence on every single saw they make. I can bolt their 50” fence on to my granite top if I choose to upgrade in the future.

After sealing the “contractor” saw I have dust collection is fantastic! it weights about 400lbs. I call it my contractor cabinet saw.

Paul

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buildingmonkey

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#2 posted 03-28-2014 04:00 AM

I hear the 1023 ‘griz is built in Taiwan, the 690 is built in China. A guy I know sold his 690, said it is nowhere the saw the 1023 is.

-- Jim from Kansas

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retfr8flyr

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#3 posted 03-28-2014 04:07 AM

The Grizzly 1023 and 690 are the best bang for the buck out there. The 1023 is a newer design and they both have their good and bad points. I don’t think you could go wrong with either one of them.

-- Earl

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ras61

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#4 posted 03-28-2014 04:08 AM

Wow Paul, that was a great deal, Amazon lists that saw for almost $1200. I guess the question is, is the G0609 worth the extra $400?

-- "South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum" - James L. Petigru, 1860

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#5 posted 03-28-2014 04:10 AM

ras61 that’s why I suggest utterguys.com they are a direct retailer with accurate pricing. look there.

Paul

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#6 posted 03-28-2014 04:25 AM

Hey buddy, don’t jump recklessly! I spent 3 years slobbering for a T66 Powermatic. My boy came home and told me to go down to his father-in-laws shop. He had a 220V table saw he took on trade for a Harley. My boy had no idea what it was other than a 220v table saw. Turned out to be a Delta unisaw X5 with a biesmeyer fence. I only had to drop a grand. SWMBO was totally pissed. This deal also came with a shopfox dust vacumn. I dropped another 250 for parts to get it up and running. The only thing it doesn’t do is tilt to the left. Here’s the best part, Daddy In Law used his fork lift to put on a trailer. My neighbor and I had to manhandle it on to a dolly when I got it home. I only had to drive 20 blocks to get it home. It’s been one of the best deals I’ve ever made. Patience, my friend…don’t jump foolishly. There’s something out there with your name on it. Best of Luck!!!

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NiteWalker

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#7 posted 03-28-2014 04:49 AM

Russ, either the 0690 or 1023 are great cabinet saws.

The steel city would be a step down.
I’m not against them; my saw I’m setting up at the moment is the steel city 35955. It’s a good saw, but setup is very tricky.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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Ltwud

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#8 posted 03-28-2014 05:09 AM

I’m a big Grizzly fan and I do think they are a great value. I have a 5 HP table saw and 2 bandsaws, 20” planer and a widebelt sander all new over the past 8 years. Yes I have got a great Craigslist deal or two that were tremendous but I can’t get parts for them very easily at all.

Grizzly has incredible documentation that makes parts easy to get. I moved my shop and a band saw was pushed over in transit. I want on line and found the part in 10 minutes and had it delivered in just 3 days for a fair price. All my machines have lasted for years and still look /work great so I think you will be very happy now and later.

ltwud

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darthford

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#9 posted 03-28-2014 07:54 AM

No the Grizzly 12” 5HP G0696X is king! Grizzly designed this saw to crush the Powermatic 10” saws while costing substantially less. I also looked at some Sawstop pro’s recently, they look like toys in comparison and cost a lot more. 31×48 inch 2 inch thick cast iron table. Pretty much flawless construction. Epoxy painted rails. Its a beast.

12” vs 10” blade

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Silverhill

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#10 posted 03-28-2014 08:00 AM

The Grizzly catalog has a 5% coupon code on it for the entire order, that will save you some money, plus they put the 0690 on sale for about $100 off regularly. Stack all that together and you come out great. I think I spent about 1400 and got the 0690 with Shopfox mobility unit. Get on their mailing list too. Last month they had 10%off your entire order deal on the email. It was good for about 3 weeks or so, and I used that to pick up a Woodstock cast iron router table some super heavy iron casters to use on a lumber cart, and some other stuff, and my savings was enough enough to cover shipping with some left over, knocking down the tool cost too. I am well pleased with the 0690, and because I am a beginner, the mental security of knowing I have a great tool, brand new, without needing a restoration is peace of mind. If I had bought a used saw, I would be wondering if I did good for some time before I was sure. $1575-%5=$1496 just from using the catalog code. Maybe if I had it to do over, I might have got the Grizzly contractor saw for $749- 5%= $711 if I wanted to go lighter with a contractor saw. I read reviews all over the internet on the 0690 and was convinced it was a good tool and grizzly CS is second to none.

I hope I haven’t confused you, and good luck with whatever you choose.
Bill

-- 1st Cor. 15:1-4

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Silverhill

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#11 posted 03-28-2014 08:09 AM

darthford—Awesome saw, and bandsaw. If I had the $$$, I would have bought that saw. But I am happy anyway, King!

-- 1st Cor. 15:1-4

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darthford

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#12 posted 03-28-2014 08:13 AM

Silverhill the G0690 is a great saw with a proven track record you made a good choice within your budget. I just wanted to point out that in terms of value the G0696X is king imo in terms of what you get for a lot less money than other brands charge for their 10” saws.

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Silverhill

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#13 posted 03-28-2014 09:31 AM

darthford—-I understand. I am putting together my wood shop on a budget, but on the table saw, I wanted a good fence, plus the safety features of a new saw. I did not want to have any worries from the saw.

-- 1st Cor. 15:1-4

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ras61

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#14 posted 03-28-2014 12:23 PM

Thanks Jim, I overlooked the 1023. It seems odd they offer two saws so similar, does anyone know why or the major difference? One strike against the 690 is I’m not too fond of items made in China because of quality control problems and their politics. The former may not be much of an issue with Grizzly’s oversight and CS, but the latter is definitely a problem, especially with their recent support of N. Korea and that crazy kid running things. Unless the 690 has some major advantage, going with the 1023 would also save a couple hundred dollars, enough for a nice Forrest blade and then some!

Paul, thanks for the suggestion of the Steel City, but if I did go the contractor or hybrid route, the Grizzly 715 would probably be top of the list – it appears to be the 690’s little brother with a 2 hp motor and most of the same features.

-- "South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum" - James L. Petigru, 1860

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#15 posted 03-28-2014 12:31 PM

”...if I did go the contractor or hybrid route, the Grizzly 715 would probably be top of the list – it appears to be the 690’s little brother with a 2 hp motor and most of the same features.”

The similarities end with what you can see on the outside (the cabinet, the cast iron top, and the Grizzly logo). Under the hood the G0690 and G1023RL are significantly different machines under the hood….even the fences are more robust than what’s on the G0715P.

Both the G0690 and G1023 series are excellent values relative to other saws in this class or price range. There are some design differences in the trunnion mechanisms, but both saws are well proven designs with large followings.

Here’s the guts of the G0690:

...and the guts of the G1023RL:

I don’t have pics of the G0715P under the hood, but it’s a hybrid design with table mounted trunnions more similar to this older G0478 hybrid or the Ridgid R4512:


-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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swoper

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#16 posted 03-28-2014 01:22 PM

A ad on Craigslist has a brand new Steel City cabinet saw for 975, fence and off switch were not installed before ad was placed. owner say he needs space but I think its too much saw for him. Look at Jackson Mi. for this saw.

-- Harry, Jackson Mi

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NiteWalker

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#17 posted 03-28-2014 01:35 PM

It’s a hybrid saw with cabinet mounted trunnions.
Way too high on price.
Steel City Model 35600 (1.75 HP) or 35605 (3 HP).

It’s definitely a nice saw, but older with a splitter rather than a riving knife and no warranty.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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HorizontalMike

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#18 posted 03-28-2014 01:46 PM

Not much more to add regarding the G690 TS, other than to add my own “happy camper” image:

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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ras61

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#19 posted 03-28-2014 01:59 PM

Mike, what made you choose the 690 over the 1023? The only discernable difference I can see is the Lesson motor in the 690. Thanks.

-- "South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum" - James L. Petigru, 1860

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ras61

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#20 posted 03-28-2014 02:06 PM

Mike, what made you choose the 690 over the 1023? The only discernable difference I can see is the Lesson motor in the 690. Thanks.

PS Beautiful shop, it’s plain to see why you’re so happy!

-- "South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum" - James L. Petigru, 1860

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HorizontalMike

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#21 posted 03-28-2014 02:33 PM

I actually had the G1023 on order at the time, but kept getting availability delays from Grizzly (it was new at the time) and I finally decided to just go ahead and take delivery of a G690. That ended up being the very best thing I could have done, IMO. The G690 has a proven track record, and at the time I originally placed my order, the G1023 did not.

Both ended up being good saws, though I have read where the G1023s DC have a slight tendency to clog more easily due to the shroud design (catches larger cutoff scraps more easily).

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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onesojourner

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#22 posted 03-28-2014 03:23 PM

I absolutely love my 691. It is my first cabinet saw, my other experience has been with 2 craftsman job site saws both total crap and now dead, 1 craftsman, 1 delta and 1 genreal contractor saws. I went into the show room probably 50 times trying to decide between the 1023 and 691. I may be wrong here but I was told that the 690/691 is almost the same design as the old 1023 from several years back with the added benefit of a riving knife. For me it ultimately came down to the fence. I like how the fence on the 690 wraps around the front of the rail, so that it has less play when you have the fence unlocked and slide it along.

-- http://icftfsystemshome.blogspot.com/

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#23 posted 03-28-2014 04:35 PM

LOL….Mike’s pic says it all!

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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MLR

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#24 posted 03-28-2014 09:13 PM

I just bought a Powermatic PM 1000. 10”, 1.75 hp, 30” rip,110 volt. Under $2000 from Amazon free shipping. I’m very pleased with it.

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woodchuckerNJ

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#25 posted 03-28-2014 09:30 PM

personally I would go for the 3hp saw stop. For more than one reason.

  1. Safety
  2. Fit finish.
  3. 10” is all you need, and 3hp is powerful enough to do what you need.
  4. Dust collection is great.

-- Jeff NJ

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ras61

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#26 posted 03-28-2014 10:16 PM

Woodchucker – I’m sure the Saw Stop is fine machine, and at twice the price it should be, but I’m afraid it’s a little out of my price range. But if I ever hit the lottery…?

-- "South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum" - James L. Petigru, 1860

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SWCPres

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#27 posted 03-28-2014 11:13 PM

Look for a used Jet Xacta or a used Delta Unisaw. I got my Jet JTAS 10XL for $325 on CL. Only needed a blade and was missing the blade guard (which I don’t use a lot anyway). Those good deals are there, you just have to play that wonderful patience game. Don’t be afraid to kick the tires on it too. Another option is IRS Auctions (not the Internal Revenue Service). I often see Powermatics and other more production style saws coming up there at reasonable prices. Now the ultimate deal is to find a recently divorced ex of a WWer. Buddy of mine just got a cadillac Unisaw with overhead dust collection and outfeed table for trade of some cleanup and work around the property.

-- Reinventing the "Wheel", one 800mg Ibuprofen at a time.....

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#28 posted 03-29-2014 03:52 AM

Thanks for all the input everyone, it has been immensely helpful! I’m in no rush to make a decision, so will continue to take my time and consider any and all interesting used offerings that may come my way, but if Grizzly has an enticing sale in the near future, I can definitely envision a 1023 landing in my garage.

-- "South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum" - James L. Petigru, 1860

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#29 posted 03-29-2014 03:58 AM

You want a G0696X (waves jedi hand)

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#30 posted 03-29-2014 04:20 AM

I didn’t read every post on here, but before I bought my saw, a 1023, I did extensive research. The 690 and 1023 are very similar. They cost nearly the same and do the same job, but each does have a strength or two over the other, but only by a small margin. I can’t remember which has which, but one of them is better for dust collection which is important if your shop is more enclosed. The 1023 is Taiwanese built and supposedly has a slightly superior motor. There were other slight differences tween the two and I opted for the 1023rlx version. Either way, I would advise paying the extra for the long table version of the saw. Also get the mobile stand, it not the best but it does work. You could build a stand for it if you want, Actually that would be a great idea. The 1023 is also prettier, if that matters to you. The 690 is a big fugly green thing where the 1023 is mostly white with green trim. The best forum posts comparing the two are unfortunately on different but similar forums than this, google “Grizzly 690 vs 1023 forum” and you will find them.

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Scomel Basses

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#31 posted 03-29-2014 04:27 PM

Whiskers, are you sure you bought a 1023 and not a 690? Because the 690 is white and the 1023 is green :) Ihad this very same decision a couple years ago and went with the 1023. It is an awesome machine. I called up to Grizzly and spoke with a tech, not a salesman, and asked which saw he’d buy if he had to choose. He did not hesitate and answered the 1023. He gave several reasons, none of which I remember. As for the dust shroud, I never had an issue, it always worked great and never clogged. In use, though, either saw is capable of getting the job done to satisfaction. Pick either one and know you have a great saw.

For full disclosure I did sell my 1023 after about a year and bought a SawStop 3hp PCS.

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onesojourner

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#32 posted 03-31-2014 03:51 PM

I concur, Whiskers you missed something. The 690 is white with the foreign made but possibly superior leeson motor.

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#33 posted 03-31-2014 04:49 PM

If I had 220V to my work area, I would have bought a 690. The 1023 is also a great saw, but for my tastes I like the 690. You won’t go wrong with either one. The trunnions are connected to the cabinet not the cast iron table, so blade alignment is much easier if it needs adjustment. Whichever you choose, good luck, and enjoy it.
Ed

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Whiskers

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#34 posted 03-31-2014 07:29 PM

Yeah I confess to a altheimers moment. It is the 690 I bought. For me one of the main reasons I bought the one I did was cause Grizzly had been out of stock for months on the other and there was no sign they were going to get any more in any time soon, so it was keep waiting for many more months, or go ahead and take the plunge. I been perfectly happy with the saw though. I do plan to replace the mobile stand I bought for it with something more stable. There is a bit more flex to the arrangement than I would like. Also there is a lot of wasted room under the long table and I believe I could take better advantage of that space. Will have to be creative cause of the way dust collection is done but it is doable. At the moment I don’t use any dust collection as I keep it right near my garage door, so I just push it out the door when I want to use it and let god deal with it.

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