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Does anyone know anything about this table saw?

by Tom
posted 03-07-2014 07:13 PM


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#1 posted 03-07-2014 07:31 PM

Tom – I’m not sure which model this is, but it’s an Emerson made Ridgid, which have a great reputation, but I’d be hard pressed to pay $300 for it. Although, I fairly certain those gray machines have lifetime warranties regardless of the owner. The stamped wings are a bit of a draw back for me, and I don’t believe there is a riving knife option, even after market for this saw.

I have a newer Ridgid 3560, and I like it a lot, but it does have the full cast wings, and the herculift mobile base. Your 65 will be a a heck of an upgrade.

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#2 posted 03-07-2014 08:31 PM

Newer model rigids with better features commonly go for 300-400 where I live. I say pass.

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#3 posted 03-07-2014 09:09 PM

Minorhero,

I am certainly leaning that way at the moment…

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#4 posted 03-07-2014 09:48 PM

It does look like a TS2412…Ridgid’s first edition circa 1997. Even though the condition is rougher than I’d like, it should clean up nicely. As long as the basic functions aren’t compromised, it’s still a nice step up from your DW IMO, so at even money, you end up ahead. I’d let the condition and the missing blade guard be a bartering point for a lower offer.

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#5 posted 03-08-2014 12:35 AM

I agree that it’s a TS2412. The stamped steel wings are another reason that it isn’t worth $300, maybe somewhere in the $200 range IMO. Later models of that Emerson built saw did come with CI wings and much improved fence/rail systems.

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#6 posted 03-08-2014 12:52 AM

I’ve owned a 2412 since 2003. It is an entry level product, but, with its 1.5 hp motor, it’s a very capable saw. I kept it and a related t2 equipped 113 series c-man over a 3 hp 70s vintage unisaw that’ I refurbished and sold. It will do just about anything that a hobbyist needs to do. Also, as a made in America by Emerson electric product, it carries a lifetime guaranty against manufacturing defects. What that’s worth on a 13 YO TS is the buyers decision. I’ll probably be passing my saws on to my children. Properly cared for and equipped, it can be a forever saw.

And if you don’t mind losing the use of the front rail tape, the rails can be slid to the right easily for 6 to 12” more rip capacity.

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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#7 posted 03-08-2014 01:21 AM

I just got an email from Grizzly… 10% off… the G0715p is looking mighty hard to beat, even over a decent PM65 I was convinced to pickup, but the 65 has no fence and I don’t have 220 yet… It is looking very much like I might just get the Grizzly which is especially attractive with that 10% off. I might even forgo the incra fence I was going to get and pick up their 17” special edition bandsaw…

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#8 posted 03-08-2014 03:15 AM

I have a Craftsman 113 that looks just like it, except mine has the cast iron wings. It’s a 1.5 h.p. saw.
I am currently looking into a new saw, and will be selling mine which is perfect condition and is in much better shape and has a much better Acue fence.
If you are interested, you can let me know.
I live in Franklin, WI, if you want to come and have a look.

-- Steve: Franklin, WI

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#9 posted 03-08-2014 03:24 AM

Hi Steve,

Glad to see a local Lumberjock… I have not met any other ww in the area yet. I might be interested in taking a look. Does your 113 have a riving knife and is it left tilt?

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#10 posted 03-08-2014 03:33 AM

No riving knife, but left tilt. I don’t think riving knives were even available when these saws were made.
I had purchased the Muel Cab fence system a few years ago and use a cross cut sled every chance I can.
I had a kickback last year, that put me to my knees. Since then I use the sled. I made it big enough so I can cut up to 24” wide stock. I have already ripped 8/4 hard maple with it and with a good blade it cuts fine.

-- Steve: Franklin, WI

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#11 posted 03-08-2014 03:42 AM

It’s my understanding that the G0715P is better off running on 220v…..might want to check into that.

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#12 posted 03-08-2014 03:51 AM

220 coming this summer knotscott… I am just considering all the options, it seems as soon as I make up my mind and eliminate 1 thing, 2 more pop up… part of the problem is I have not worked with enough of some of these tools to know personally so I have to depend on reviews. I am also in my mid- 40’s so I don’t necessarily want starter stuff, not every tool do I need to be great (I have an “ok” Ryobi drill press, a Ridgid Jointer, DW735 Planer) not of which would be considered “high end” but they are better than HF stuff and I have been pretty happy with mid-range stuff for what I do…. I certainly do not even come close to production anything but I have found whether it’s fishing, hunting, gardening, astrophotography or just about any hobby… fighting with a tool takes every bit of joy out of a hobby so getting a bit more than what I might need is not a bad thing but just like everyone else… money spent on 1 toy takes away from another… and you can never have enough toys.

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#13 posted 03-08-2014 03:55 AM

I have been looking at that saw and the 1023. Both run on 220. I am currently in the process of powering my garage and can install 220 without a problem. Those saws only draw 6 amps per line using 220. My Craftsman is also capable of being switched to 220, but if I get a new saw there is no point to switch it over.
220 won’t draw the same as 110, but with 2hp, it makes sense to run 220. The Craftsman stand says it’s a 3 hp motor, but there is no way it actually is. I am sure it’s a real 1.5 hp saw.

-- Steve: Franklin, WI

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#14 posted 03-08-2014 04:01 AM

Tom,

The G0715P comes pre wired for 220. Grizzly charges if I recall $110 to convert it to 120 from the factory. If you choose to go the Grizz route you might as well hire an electrician prior to getting it. Put the $100 bucks towords getting 220 in your shop.

Paul

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#15 posted 03-08-2014 04:07 AM

Thanks for heads up Paul,

They have a breaker your supposed to order to run it on 110 for $6, I assumed they would have wiring instructions so I could wire 110 now and 220 this summer, but I will be sure to check if I go that path. No way 220 coming in right now, my garage is 30 ft away from the house and I need to have the wire buried 4ft when it runs and the ground here is frozen solid…. not to mention a paver brick patio is smack dab between the house and garage.

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#16 posted 03-08-2014 04:10 AM

Tom: if you use 220, you don’t need anything but 12 ga wire, which you may already have in your garage. With 220, you are actually drawing fewer amps, you just need to wire it properly.

-- Steve: Franklin, WI

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#17 posted 03-08-2014 04:11 AM

P.S. You’re right about the ground. The frost is over 5’ down right now.

-- Steve: Franklin, WI

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#18 posted 03-08-2014 04:14 AM

Thanks Steve,

Had an electrician here last summer, he put a breaker box in the garage with 2 – 20 AMP breakers and a double 20 in the house. At that time I wanted 220 and he said there were only 3 useable wires coming from the house and they were pretty rough and not thick enough to support 220… trust me if I thought I could get it easy this would be a non topic because I’d have a Powermatic 65 sitting in my garage right now…

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#19 posted 03-08-2014 04:18 AM

Tom,

Yes the breaker is 6 bucks. It still requires you or an electrician to install it. I’m not an electrician and don’t dare mess with it. If you have the knowledge to safely do it you can. Electricity is one thing I don’t dare mess with personally, It scares the shit outa me ;)

Paul

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#20 posted 03-08-2014 04:23 AM

Sounds like very light gauge wire. The 220 saw comes with 14 ga because you’re pulling only 8 amps per wire.
That being said, you already had it looked at and if he said no, I would surely trust his judgment.
If you convert the Grizzly to 110, you will be pulling 16-18 amps on your 20 amp breaker, which means you may start popping your 2, 20 amp breakers.
Considering what equipment you are already running, I am surprised you are not already doing just that.

-- Steve: Franklin, WI

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#21 posted 03-08-2014 04:37 AM

Paul.

I am ok with wiring if I have instructions.. hard to image someone scared of that and not a blade spinning on a table saw but we all have our things like that.

Steve,

I have on occasion blown a breaker – mainly when I am running the 6.5HP shop vac and either the drum sander or air compressor… I definitely need new wiring.

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#22 posted 03-08-2014 04:39 AM

@sawdustjunkie

I currently only have 1 20amp breaker. You sound like you have more knowledge than I do in the area. I’m only running my 2hp DC off that 20amp breaker. The DC should pull 20amps at start up, I haven’t tripped a breaker once running it.

I’m actually looking at bringing a G0715P into my shop and running it off a new 20amp breaker. I don’t believe any of Tom’s equipment pulls anywhere near the 20amps that my 2hp HF DC runs at. Is there an issue running 16-20 amp equipment off individual breakers that I’m not aware of?

Thanks,

Paul

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#23 posted 03-08-2014 04:40 AM

Do you know if the wire going into your garage is inside any sort of conduit? If it is, it may be a simple task to just pull new wire thru and solve all your problems.
If it is just romex and buried, then that is a different problem

-- Steve: Franklin, WI

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#24 posted 03-08-2014 04:43 AM

brings up an interesting question as to how many 220 outlets you can / should have in a shop. Eventually I would like to get a 220 DC and my drum sander can be converted to 220 as well as my bandsaw… I guess I will discuss that with my electrician when he stops by in the next few days (I plan on getting my garage pre-wired and waiting for that new line now while he has time).

My wire is through conduit, but it’s like 1/2” and the electrician tried and decided it probably was not wise… it runs about 30ft, 4ft under ground and is probably 50 or 60 years old.

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#25 posted 03-08-2014 04:45 AM

PLX: I have a HF dust collector also. It really doesn’t pull 20 amps. It is actually about 1.75 hp, which is why you aren’t popping the breaker that often. If you a new saw, it should be on a separate line, otherwise the DC and saw will blow the breaker every time you power them up.

-- Steve: Franklin, WI

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#26 posted 03-08-2014 04:46 AM

Tom,

I’m one of those guys that walks into his shop, puts his eye protection on, turns on the air purifier, shop apron on with remote for dc/shop vacs in the upper left pocket etc. I’m very methodical when using spinning blades.

Electricity I just don’t understand so it scares me. I had a detached shop about 7 years ago burn down due to bad wiring. (not my wiring but a licensed electrician)

Paul

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#27 posted 03-08-2014 04:48 AM

was not knocking you at all Paul… I am somewhat afraid of heights but I love riding in helicopters, planes and even rides at fairs…but am terrified on a roof or ladder over 20ft… go figure.

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#28 posted 03-08-2014 04:50 AM

Tom: If the wires are that old, they may break when trying to pull new wires through.
Like I said, I just installed a sub panel in my garage and is setup with a 60 amp breaker from my main panel.
With that, I can run anything I need. When you consider, that you are only running two machines at a time, there will be no problems.

-- Steve: Franklin, WI

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#29 posted 03-08-2014 04:51 AM

Thanks Steve, check your PM…

Paul, did you ever pick up that Steel City TS?

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#30 posted 03-08-2014 04:58 AM

Tom,

I went and looked. The table mounted trunions are the only thing that make it more appealing than the G0715P. The stamped steel wings on the CS were pretty flimsy, workable but I didn’t feel that great about it. The granit tops were nice but if I wanted a new fence later on would be a nightmare.

I chose to pass on both after seeing them in person. They are fine saws but don’t seem nearly as solid as the G0715P. I was very impressed with the G0715P when I saw it a couple months ago driving through Missouri and stopping by their showroom.

Paul

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#31 posted 03-08-2014 04:58 AM

PLK: Whenever I do any electrical work, I always have a pro check my work. I also always use heavier wire than is necessary. When I installed my sub panel, I used 8 gauge wire. That is what I was told to use. That stuff is so heavy and was a real pain to install. It just won’t bend.
I also used 10 gauge instead of 14 or 12.
When I built my basement man cave, I used 12 and 10 gauge and had it checked out. The guy just laughed and said why the hell did you use such heavy wire. I told him I didn’t want any problems 25 years down the road. He looked over all my work and told me he couldn’t do any better work if he had done it himself.

-- Steve: Franklin, WI

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#32 posted 03-08-2014 05:29 AM

Paul,

If I decide to get Steve’s 113 or a Grizzly, there is a really nice Powermatic 65 which is not to far from you. I had some guys at owwm.org look at some detailed images of it and they said it was well worth the money – full cast iron top, left tilt and the seller also has a VFD he will sell with it… I am not sure what I am going to do yet but it’s between those 3.

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#33 posted 03-08-2014 05:54 AM

Tom,

The Blue PM65? If it’s the $600 one with the $100VFD I think I’d go with the smaller footprint. If you look at my shop I technically have the space for a pm65 I’m not sure if I could justify the floor space in a 20’x17’ shop. Most of my larger tools I can roll.

Paul

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#34 posted 03-08-2014 06:05 AM

Paul,

Nope not a blue one, this one is Powermatic green, it’s $300 and he will throw in a VFD for $150 more. It does need a fence however but I don’t think it’s foot print would be much more than any other similar saw including a SC cabinet or a G0715p, in fact according to everyone this would fit in my explorer no problem, just remove the cast wings. The only real issue I see if you have 220 is the lack of a riving knife but the guys over at owwm say a splitter works great on them. I am still considering it and if I had 220 already or if it was closer to me there would be no choice at all, it would be in my garage already. If I pick it up I want to paint it like the 2nd image.

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#35 posted 03-08-2014 06:07 AM

b.t.w Paul don’t know if you got an email from Grizz (I did) and they have 10% off entire order until the 21st coupon code right now if your thinking about the Grizz.

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#36 posted 03-08-2014 06:18 AM

I did get the email for the 10% off. My birthday is the 29th of this month. I gave my girl a nudge in the ribs when I got it. I got a blank stare.

That pm65 at $300 with transport and a new fence puts me around $650-700. The hours of rehab and labor into it makes me feel like a new saw with warranty (grizzly) makes more sense.

Paul

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#37 posted 03-08-2014 06:22 AM

By the way,

We are going through very similar things. 90 minutes apart, when we get our stuff in order maybe personal shop tours seem in order ;)

Paul

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#38 posted 03-08-2014 06:25 AM

Understand that, I am torn because that PM is a lifer saw, it needs nothing but a fence to go, built stronger and to last, I know it’s a better machine and the paint isn’t bad, I could live with that… all machines get dirty… it’s the 220 that’s giving me pause it could be July or August before I get that in (Need landscaping company and electrician and HVAC to all work hand in hand)... I am tempted to get it and just store it until then.

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#39 posted 03-08-2014 06:26 AM

Mine is a simple garage but your welcome to come look any time, it’s about 200x more a mess than yours is.

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#40 posted 03-08-2014 06:34 AM

Should see mine ATM. I ran 800 bf through my jointer this afternoon and have 3 glue ups going on. I’ll admit my workshop pics were staged after a huge clean out.

Tomorrow I’m starting a mitre saw cabinet station for my crappy sliding ryobi saw it’s going to get even messier.

Thankfully my shop is in the smallest room in my basement and I can keep finishing work in a larger room.

Paul

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#41 posted 03-08-2014 06:36 AM

I’d apologize for hijacking your thread for personal banter but you seem ok with it ;)

Paul

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#42 posted 03-08-2014 06:39 AM

no problem, the initial reason for the thread was satisfied. I kinda wanted to help the guy who wanted to trade because he needed a jobsite saw for work and I figured if I could get the same out of his saw as my DW744 then why not since I am either getting a Grizz or that PM or now maybe Steves 113.. but I find 99% of the time I buy a cheaper tool (HF for example) I wind up upgrading it within a couple month’s, that’s fine for hand tools but bigger items not so much.

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#43 posted 03-08-2014 06:47 AM

It really sounds like we are on par for the current stages of equipment. Same saw currently etc. I bought simple cheap gear as jobs warranted me needing it.

Now I’m looking to upgrade as you are but finding just filling the equipment void was done ill equipped initially. I hope people can look across this thread and our other conversations and save money on cheap buys that last them 6 months.

Paul

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#44 posted 03-08-2014 06:52 AM

Definitely sounds like the same boat… always more / better tools. Well I might be heading to pick up that PM tomorrow… so much to think about, I better get some rest.

Have a great night.

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#45 posted 03-09-2014 03:09 AM

Well now I have to make a decision… sold the DW744 – without a table saw at the moment.

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#46 posted 03-09-2014 12:01 PM

I have the ts 2424…with the steel wings bought it new…

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#47 posted 03-09-2014 07:01 PM

Picked up my “tweener” saw today, it’s a craftsman contractor type saw all cast iron belt fed… paid $50 for it, seems ok so far, have some bolts to tighten and some cleanup but it’s in pretty good shape, had all the guards. I don’t like the fence especially after using the one on the DW744 but this is temporary until I get 220 anyways.

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#48 posted 03-09-2014 07:40 PM

Good deal on a great little saw. Add a vega 40 or a delta t2 and you’ve got the basis for a forever saw. Both of my Emerson electric built 10” CI table saws (just like your 113 series TS) will be with me from now on and eventually passed on to my sons. IMHO, it’s extremely unwise to get hung up on overpowered TSs. There isn’t much in a hobbyist’s shop that a properly set and and properly bladed 113 series TS can’t handle. I had a 3 hp unisaw that I got for $40 in gas money and, after refurbing it, I sold it and kept the two Emerson’s. Being able to set one up for cross it’s and the other for ripping provides a considerable amount of flexibility during a project.

220v won’t provide more power. It will allow more utility froma given amount of total amperage, but the motor will consume the same wattage whether wired for 110 or 220.

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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#49 posted 03-09-2014 08:46 PM

Thanks toolie,

I think at least for a “tweener” saw it will work out just fine. I traded my Dewalt DW744x for a brand new Porter cable 557 biscuit joiner and $200… so far I have $150 in my pocket and new 557 and this 113 ( 113.12173) to be specific.

All in all I don’t think it’s in bad shape

I have to level up the extensions still, heck it even came with a Freud blade on it that is in really good shape.

Some vibration but not very much, still have some bolts to tighten and it’s just sitting on casters strait on the base which makes less than solid.

I might decide to fix it up and keep it or pass on the deal to someone else when the time comes. For $50 I don’t think I could go wrong for a belt felt cast iron top TS.

b.t.w Paul if your still reading this, if I order the Grizz or pick up that PM and your still looking maybe we can work out a deal if something like this interests you, I will post pics once I clean it up.

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#50 posted 03-13-2014 01:54 AM

Hey Tom,

I ended up buying a SC 35990G today off their warehouse floor today. It was $475 or $500 with a digital fence readout. I went with the $500 granite top with the digital readout. had to 60% disassemble it to get it down to my basement shop(ALONE ARG!) even with all 3 pieces off the top and the base off the cabinet it’s still about 200 lbs of cabinet trunions and motor. Picked it up at 5pm had to call it a day around 8pm too tired to continue putting it back together.

Paul

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