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Shopping for a table saw! It's fun but I'm ready to purchase- any last comments

by Ironcat4
posted 03-04-2014 03:42 AM


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mikeevens45

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#1 posted 03-04-2014 03:58 AM

I love the unisaw but the price tag Is kinda staggering…I believe the saw stop is awesome but I would opt for the cast iron wings…just a nicer surface to work with. converted my delta to cast wings and am very pleased…grizzly has a lot for the price but I would go with a higher grade grizzly not the hybrid…if I had to choose it would probably be a tough choice between sawstop or the unisaw

-- as technology progresses, wood workers seem to regress...all my power tools and my favorite is a chisel and a hand plane

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#2 posted 03-04-2014 04:13 AM

Sawstop, hands down. I wold not even consider anything else if I were to do it again.

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Loren

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#3 posted 03-04-2014 04:36 AM

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#4 posted 03-04-2014 04:46 AM

Go see and touch the saws that interest you, one will click.

-- |Statistics show that 100% of people bitten by a snake were close to it.|

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#5 posted 03-04-2014 05:07 AM

I am in the pondering stage as well. My purchase probably won’t be for a while though. So I too have done all the prerequisite research and from what I have gathered the Sawstop seems to be the big favorite at the moment. That kind of makes me wonder some about the saw. For years guys just vilified that saw and could say nothing good about the inventer and his invention. They all wanted to hang him from the nearest yardarm. But suddenly it seemed everyone changed course and now the saw is the love child of the woodworking world???? I have not played with one but from what I can see it is a very nice saw. The only thing I see as the thing tipping the scales in it’s favor is the safety features. I am not saying it is not worth discussing but is it really the biggest factor in choosing a new saw? Sounds like there have been some problems as well with the saw’s safety features not a lot but enough that I have heard about them and that is enough to make me wonder. The replacement cartridges are not cheap and the blade is going to cost money as well as it seems if you fire off that brake cartridge the blade is toast.

Personally I have always lusted for a big yellow table saw. It was the first cabinet saw I ever saw and used and it was truely a dream to cut with. Quiet and smooth and power beyond anything I think most of us could ever use. And it is built like a brick poop house. They are not cheap but it is a one time purchase when you are looking at this level of tool so cry once and be done with it. I think I am leaning towards the Mustard as it holds a place in my memory and that weighs heavily in my decision making.

-- "I work so I can fish"!

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#6 posted 03-04-2014 05:19 AM

That is one beast of a saw Loren! Might be a bit on the large size though if the OP can’t fit a 52” saw in his shop :)

But if it were closer to me, this is what I would go for in that area:

DELTA UNISAW – $399
http://houston.craigslist.org/tls/4338772043.html

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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Greg..the Cajun Box Sculptor

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#7 posted 03-04-2014 05:21 AM

I have the SawStop and it is fantastic…. absolutely best choice and I am extremely happy with it. I do use the Incra fence system on it that I had on my previous Grizzly saw

-- If retiring is having the time to be able to do what you enjoy then I have always been retired.

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retfr8flyr

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#8 posted 03-04-2014 05:28 AM

Just a heads up, Jet and PM have a 15% off going on right now. I went with the Jet Xacta and am very happy with it. I just couldn’t see the extra $1000 for the safety feature of the SS, plus I don’t like the way SS is trying to shove it down our throats.

-- Earl

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#9 posted 03-04-2014 10:14 AM

If you’re willing to spend the money for a PM2000 or Unisaw, I’d definitely grab the SawStop PCS for the benefit of the safety feature….it’s a fine saw in it’s own rite, with a distinct safety advantage. If you’re looking for the best bang for the buck and are willing to be your own middleman, I’d go with a Griz G1023R series or G0690….heck you could probably even get into their entry level slider with the top range of your budget. If you prefer dealer support, pay the premium for the Xacta, Laguna, or possibly Shop Fox….note that if you mail order these, you’re often still paying the premium for the support you don’t get, and have really gained little vs Grizzly who sells directly.

It’s hard to imagine any of these not being a dream saw compared to what you’ve got. Blade and setup are the key factors in their end performance. The odds are good that several of these saws actually come from the same Asian factory….only the Unisaw is supposedly made in the USA, but ironically is now owned by an Asian company (Cheng Type, LTD). If you’ve done the research, you’ve undoubtedly read several customer service complaints about Laguna….the high number of complaints is disproportionate to their market share, which raises some red flags with me….if defect rates are comparable, the highest number of complaints should go to the highest number of saws sold, which I’d guess to be Grizzly or SawStop these days. It really boils down to which one makes your heart beat faster….it’s your saw, buy the one you love. Good luck and please follow up with some pics of your new saw!

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#10 posted 03-04-2014 10:38 AM

I hope to be in the same boat soon. SawStop.

Ret That shoved down your throats is so old and tired. You have seat belts and airbags in your car. An Airbag can get shoved down your throat in real life. So until you can buy a car without airbags and seatbelts, please bitch at GM and Ford as much as SS.

For a country that prides it’s self on independance and freedom, you ” Mercans sure like to bitch about nothing.

Go screw a skil saw to some plywood and demonstrate your American Dream.

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#11 posted 03-04-2014 01:03 PM

SawStop. Just makes sense to get it with the added safety it offers. It is a high quality saw. I had considered sliders, Delta, and Powermatic. They are high quality saws, but don’t have the added safety that SawStop offers at a price I can still afford. I have a choice, but feel the added safety out weighs anything else for me. Agree with lakelover on the politics issue.

-- Bill R

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#12 posted 03-04-2014 01:13 PM

I think a lot of the Sawstop blowback was much more that the owner tried to get his way by regulation rather than competition. I think what has turned the tide in the Sawstop’s favor is the insurance industry.

The Sawstop is a very solid saw with the brake feature a nice bonus. It’s hard to find someone that bought one that isn’t happy with it. When I was in your position, I couldn’t find any unique features on the PM except the color of the paint. The delta front tilt wheel was nice, but not as nice as the safety features on the Sawstop.

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#13 posted 03-04-2014 03:40 PM

Maybe something like this, table saw with router table
& Incra fence, yeah buddy.

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#14 posted 03-04-2014 03:44 PM

Mike—I went through the same process two years ago … I wound up with a SawStop PCS-175 with the 36” Professional T-Glide fence, built-in mobile base, and over-arm duct collection.

My grandsons use (and respect) the tool, it is a great saw, and I have never looked back on my decision.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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Ironcat4

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#15 posted 03-04-2014 04:30 PM

Truly some great feedback here on this forum post and many thanks to all that have responded so far. Like I mentioned in my original post will be making the decision this week and once I do decide I will upload images of my new saw. I have even considered to shoot video of the entire process from assembly and first cut. I know it seems like a lot of video and to some maybe pretty worthless but to a table saw buyer it could be priceless to see the process from start to finish.

I hope to continue to receive more feedback during the week from this post. To all have a great and a very safe day.

Mike

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#16 posted 03-04-2014 06:17 PM

SS – it has it all, great saw, great service (almost universally, people report good interactions with SS tech support), and safety. The safety thing is no small matter. You can decide that the Delta or or PM has some feature you like better than the SS. Say, for example, the fence. Probably is. But how much better? Not a whole lot – the SS fence is very solid. But the safety feature is a very big deal.

So you are picking relative nits between the saws on things like fence, controls, table surface, ... vs the safety feature.

To my way of thinking, this is a no brainer. If the SS really was not as good of a saw at the Delta or PM, then you could decide that the features outweigh the safety feature. I wouldn’t, but I’d understand.

But they are very, very comparable saws. So, if you can afford it, get the SS.

I really like mine. So does my wife. Once she found out about it, I was instructed to get it.

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#17 posted 03-04-2014 07:43 PM

Before you buy, look at a slider. Hammer has a big sale on right now, I have one on order. The port is plugged up because of all the bad weather they had, and they say they have not been able to get their containers to the warehouse. So I’m waiting. The Hammer is Felder’s homeowner line. They have combo machines if you are short on space, but the slider is on sale right now. Check out the video on the Hammer site.

-- Jim from Kansas

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#18 posted 03-04-2014 09:11 PM

I bought a 5hp unisaw two years ago and would not trade it for any other saw. I use a Sawstop at the school I teach at and like my Unisaw better. The sawstop is a good saw but I hate the standard guard if you get a sawstop upgrade the guard.

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#19 posted 03-04-2014 11:13 PM

This seems like as good a place as any to jump in with my first post. I also went through this process with table saw analysis for the last month or so. I’ve been using a 10” Craftsman contractor with an upgraded Vega 40” fence (really nice BTW) but since I got back into my wood shop (after a very long absence) and after working on a few “shop furniture” projects, I just was not happy with my table saw and knew I was going to upgrade.
I spent hours and hours reading reviews, checking manufacturer’s websites, watching youtube videos, etc. I was even dreaming about tablesaws!!!
I had decided on the Laguna Platinum series 3 HP cabinet saw and I began to see the issues raised on this website with their customer service and complaints. RED FLAG (heck these guys are woodworkers here).
Then I was pretty sure that I would go with Grizzly. They had a nice price point.
Cut to the chase…This morning I ordered the Sawstop PCS 3 HP with a 52” fence and I couldn’t be happier about it. Finally the decision has been made.
I have to say that the safety aspect was certainly important in this decision but I had to be convinced that the quality of the saw was not compromised when compared to the Powermatic or Unisaw. After “putting my hands on the sawstop” at our local woodworkers supply, I was convinced. And the price was comparable to those other high end saws.
As I said, the analysis is over and now I can’t wait to get that saw!

-- Dennie - Tennessee - Every Pro was once an Amateur. Every Expert was once a Beginner. So dream Big and start Now!

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#20 posted 03-04-2014 11:35 PM

hotncold—I hope you are as happy with your purchase as I am with my SawStop!

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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#21 posted 03-05-2014 12:26 AM

Gerry – I only placed the order today and won’t see the saw for 7-10 days, but I’m already planning to “pimp” out the outfeed table.
Your comments about your grandsons was something that I also considered. Although I’m the only person using the saw, I also have a grandson that I plan on tossing a football and baseball with, so I don’t want my “inexperience” to bite me (so to speak).

-- Dennie - Tennessee - Every Pro was once an Amateur. Every Expert was once a Beginner. So dream Big and start Now!

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Ironcat4

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#22 posted 03-06-2014 04:27 AM

Ok, just an update on the decision of which table saw to bring into the shop.

I decided to go with the Sawstop professional cabinet saw with the 3hp 36 talked fence. It will be like a kid waiting for Christmas to get here but I have several ideas of first project to begin once it’s up and dialed in.

As soon as assembly is complete and ready to roll, ill post some images of the shop and the saw of course.

Thanks to all that jumped in on the topic. I’ll be glad to share my in depth research with future buyers.

Good day to all.

Ironcat4

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#23 posted 03-06-2014 04:35 AM

Wise decision Ironcat4 congrats on your purchase and keeping your fingers

intact.

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#24 posted 03-06-2014 05:46 AM

”Sawstop, hands down. I wold not even consider anything else if I were to do it again.”

Late, but +1. I was pleasantly surprised at the quality. Definitely grab the industrial mobile base (not the integrated) if you didn’t already and you need one later on – those things are seriously impressive compared to the crap I’m used to and it even works effortlessly with a 52” extension. My only hesitation was that I’m supporting a patent monopoly, but personal safety had to take priority over a one-man boycott. :P

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#25 posted 03-06-2014 06:50 AM

SS go for it.

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#26 posted 03-06-2014 07:56 AM

Congrats on the new saw Ironcat4.

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#27 posted 03-06-2014 12:19 PM

You’ve got yourself a nice saw there…congrats! (set aside for money for a top notch saw blade or three!)

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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