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Delta 36-725 13-Amp 10-in Table Saw

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posted 11-05-2013 05:53 PM


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#1 posted 11-07-2013 06:00 PM

Nice find talle. I noticed they were clearing out the Porter Cable PC270TS at my local Lowes. Seems like this may be the replacement. I’d be curious to see if this saw will be a more legitimate competitor to the R4512, given that the fence might be an adaptation of the Delta T2 (image hints to split rails)

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#2 posted 11-08-2013 06:15 PM

Paxorion – Your right, I see the split rail now that I look closer, didn’t notice it before. Well I guess you get what you pay for. This still looks like it could be a decent saw though. With the brand delta it could definitely be a decent challenge in the lower-end contractor/hybrid saw market. Not sure how mobile it would be, I can only see the one caster on it. Can’t wait to see it in the store tor check it out.

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#3 posted 11-09-2013 12:03 AM

Can’t help but wonder if it’s a made specifically for Lowes. I’d like to get a glimpse under the hood…...the specs on Lowes website say it weighs less than 200#, which is pretty light for a full size cast iron saw.

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#4 posted 11-09-2013 02:39 AM

Talle- it has three wheels.
The Delta badging is promising, but while Delta has made some nice machines over the years…..they’ve also made some crap too. The Shopmaster series comes to mind. I too am looking forward to seeing it in the store for a closer look. I’ll likely be ready to move-on from my Craftsman 113 if/when the right deal presents itself. This type of saw might fit the bill IF its actually better than my 113. I currently use a Delta T2 fence, so I’d have no problems taking it off the craftsman, and slapping it on this new Delta saw- negating the split front rail.

Knott- I noticed the weight too. Is it possible that the “skin” of the saw is plastic? Conventional wisdom would prefer a metal, but I can’t think of why a plastic skin would be necessarily be inferior (on a contractor saw).
I can’t think of many other ways they could save on weight.
Of course, the specifications might just be mis-stated too. I’ve caught typos on Lowes specifications before.

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#5 posted 11-09-2013 03:25 AM

Lowes seems to have 2 new saws rolling out, this Delta, which I have a strong belief that it will have a LOT in common with the Porter Cable PC270TS. The second is a Kobalt benchtop table saw? (likely a follow-up/alternate to the Porter Cable PC220TS).

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#6 posted 11-09-2013 01:01 PM

I’ve seen TS weights listed that didn’t include the weight of the fence too. It’s belt driven, which is a positive. Looks to have steel wings. The blue knobs are kinda neat….the split front rail is not. If anyone sees one in a store, please take some pics, and tell us more about what you see!

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#7 posted 11-09-2013 01:38 PM

I wonder if the trunnions are cab or table mounted?

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#8 posted 12-22-2013 06:09 AM

Hi guys. I’m new to the forum. I just got back from my local lowes and saw this saw. I got excited and came home to research it since I though I’d read on every saw in the price range. I wish I’d seen this post before hand or I’d have taken some pictures. Unfortunately I can’t find much on it so guess it’s pretty new.

I didn’t look too cloes since I was in a rush, but def looked like table mounted trunnions, and no mention of trunnions on their site. But if it doesn’t have the alignment issue of the riidgid, then I think I might be sold. I like that it’s delta. If I decide to try it out I’ll do a review.

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#9 posted 12-22-2013 12:45 PM

200lbs seems very light for an induction motor plus cast iron top. I think my Ridgid 3650 is about 275-300.

I wonder how thick the top is.

The arbor is a standard 5/8” one. I’m sure it can handle a normal ~7/8” width dado set.

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#10 posted 12-22-2013 12:45 PM

As far as cabinet mounted trunnions go, some of the modern designs have cheapened them to the point where it’s nearly more of a marketing feature than a functional design advantage. The big cast iron yoke style cabinet mounted trunnion brackets are heavy and expensive to manufacture. Some of the newer hybrids that offer cab mounted trunnions are now using much smaller trunnion brackets that are very similar in size and duty rating to typical table mounted trunnions, except that they mount to the cabinet strut instead of the table…...it’s still a step in the right direction and should still make them easier to reach and align, but don’t confuse them with what’s on an industrial cabinet saw or even some of the early hybrids like the Steel City/Orion Craftsman and Ridgid saws. It’s still best to take a good look under the hood to see what’s there, as opposed to reading the term “cabinet mounted trunnions” in the specs…they’re not all created equally. As always, pics are worth a thousand words:

Cabinet mounted trunnions on a PCB270TS:

Cabinet mounted trunnions on a Cman 22116 and Ridgid R4511:

Grizzly G0690:

G1023RL:

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#11 posted 12-26-2013 01:08 AM

Wheels might be a problem they look to be on the small size compared to most contractor saws.

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#12 posted 12-26-2013 04:48 AM

Contractor saws do not usually have wheels unless you add a mobile base. Makita calls their machine a contractor saw but it’s really a bench saw on wheels.

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#13 posted 12-29-2013 05:54 PM

It looks like a descent saw. I would love to see pics of the guts.

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#14 posted 12-30-2013 06:10 PM

Hello, I am new to this site and just joined because I am looking to start a few wood projects. I have an old old ryobi 10 table saw and it has seen better days, and needless to say I was in Lowes and saw the 36-725. I don’t know anything about saws but I have been reading a lot of reviews and watching videos. For some reason I kinda narrowed down my choice to the delta 36-725 and the ridged 4512. The r4512 seems to get good reviews but I worry about the number of people swapping out their fence. When I was looking at the 36-725 in the store it seemed light and because two of the wheels are always in full contact with the ground it did not seem as sturdy or as immovable as some of the reviews and videos of the 4512. Again I don’t know much about saws so I am not sure what my priorities are. I will be moving the saw around the shop and I share it with the cars. In my near future I have a project that I will be ripping about 30 -3/4 sheets of plywood. And would love to build some shop cabinets some day so accurate fence rips are important. I could be wrong but it kinda seems like the delta fence is better? Does anyone know for sure based on experience or knowledge also I have a 25% of harbor freight coupon that I could use on the R4512 so it would be about 412-430 with tax vs the delta at 600-636. Also being able to put a zero clearance and a dado blade set is a requirement.

Thanks

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#15 posted 12-30-2013 06:29 PM

This Delta is too new and there are too many variables with the new ownership for anyone to make predictions. Historically Delta has produced excellent saws and beginning with the Unifence then Biesemeyer acquisition their fences have been 2nd to none. No personal experience with the T2 (which this fence should be based on) but by all reports it is an accurate and reliable fence. The Rigid is a pretty good saw for the money but with the alignment issues I would look hard at alternatives. No experience with the Rigid fence either but people do tend to upgrade.

The new Delta seems aimed more at contractor/light woodworking duty hence the lightweight and wheels. It will be interesting to read reviews once some of these get sold.

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#16 posted 01-01-2014 07:21 AM

I just bought one of these. I upgraded from a Ridgid TS2424 and I will say this is a HUGE improvement.

#1 – Fence: Rock solid, very comparable to biesemeyer. (it IS a split rail, I have no idea why thats an issue for anyone. mine aligned very easily)

I love the positive stops on the miter gauge.

The fence and angle guides are easy to read and can be dialed in a lot more accurately than other contractor saws I have used.

The blue knobs lock settings in place (I have always thought this should be a standard feature.)

All the accessory storage eliminates the need for custom solutions.

Dust collection could be improved easily but the stock port is pretty good but not great.

The base is very sturdy (lots of rubber o floor surface area) and easy to level while the single caster on one side makes it extremely easy to move around when necessary.
(I do think the pedal should have been on the left side for easier access.)

The weight reduction is probably a result of thin casting and sheet metal wings (I plan on replacing these with MDF/formica tops and router extension anyway). (Skirts are all sheet steel btw)

Here’s a couple extra pics. Not great but more than currently on the web. Ill post more once I have a chance to use it more and do a full review later. The first picture is my old saw on my stand that I just build from reused lumber. I plan on putting a similar router table extension on this new saw.

Oh yeah, I found this post looking for a phenolic zero clearance insert. So if anyone knows where I can get one let me know, Thanks.

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#17 posted 01-01-2014 08:26 AM

Whenever I see WATTS… AMPS… I feel they are playing games forcing everyone to utilize Ohms Law!

Why do they have to resort to play games?

Why can’t they just simply tell you HP… Horse Power… !!

That, IMHO, is the standard of power measurement of Table Saws, etc.

If they cannot say HP, I tune them OUT right then… NO MORE thought wasted!

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#18 posted 01-01-2014 02:22 PM

Thanks for the advice and pictures everyone!

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#19 posted 01-01-2014 02:26 PM

Tyler,
Do you have any problem with the throat plate screws not mounting flush with the throat plate, the display model at lowes did not look good, wanted to know if that was because they did not set it up properly or design flaw. Thanks

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#20 posted 01-01-2014 05:01 PM

The same was true here. the throat plate screws should be screwed UNDER the plate for adjustment not through it to hold it down. the techs at Lowes probably just saw holes (for on/above table adjustment) and put the screws through them most likely because that’s probably what it looks like you should do. The clips on the plate hold it down just fine.

Here are more pics while I’m at it:

Thin casting I was talking about:




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#21 posted 01-01-2014 05:28 PM

Here’s a forum I started awhile back. I don’t have an opinion because I haven’t seen it set up in person. But others posted opinions based on the specs found in the links I provided from Lowes and Delta.

Congrats talle ! Hope the saw serves you well

http://lumberjocks.com/topics/56219

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#22 posted 01-01-2014 05:31 PM

We’ll so far are you happy, I don’t know to much about table saws and was thinking I should get this one ( delta 36-725) or the Ridged R 4512. On the side of the saw that has the two wheels are there any rubber pads? Dose the saw move at all with the wheels always in contact with the ground?

Thanks Tyler!

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#23 posted 01-01-2014 05:35 PM

Nice saw.

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#24 posted 01-01-2014 09:07 PM

Thanks Tyler. I have to say that after seeing the pics I’m pretty impressed considering the price. 13A, maybe the same 12.8A motor they’ve used for years which has proven to be extremely reliable. The throat plate looks identical to my Delta Contractor. The local Lowes doesn’t have one yet but I’m hoping they get one soon so I can take a look.

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#25 posted 01-01-2014 10:33 PM

We’ll I took the plunge!! I just went down to Lowes and they price matched a harbor freight 25% off coupon!! The bad news is they don’t have one in stock they said it would be on the next truck! So the delta 36-725 was $449.28. Tyler you might be able to get them to price match for you as we’ll. I would look into it!!

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#26 posted 01-03-2014 05:15 AM

So, Tyler and Ice… Do you think you made a good choice in choosing the Delta over the Ridgid? Looking to buy a TS myself.

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#27 posted 01-04-2014 12:07 AM

How is the dust collection and how dose the mobile base work?

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#28 posted 01-04-2014 12:21 AM

Anyone up to taking a pic of the belt and drive system? Trunnions too? Does the manual have an exploded pictorial of the guts?

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#29 posted 01-05-2014 05:43 AM

Unfortunately I don’t have my TS yet, they have not got any in yet… As soon as they do I will take pics of the entire setup process and “guts”.

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#30 posted 01-05-2014 07:38 PM

I looked over the one at Lowes today and overall I am pretty impressed. The fence is solid and I didn’t detect any flex just pushing on it, it glides smoothly and locks securely. The top was polished, the edges smooth and painted, the front edge is beveled. The blade traveled up/down/tilt smoothly with no appreciable play. It has storage for the fence and miter gauge when not in use that is much improved over my 90’s Delta. The rail is split but interlocks and there was no give or flex in it. The blade guard is better than my 90’s model, has a riving knife and anti-kickback pawls. The insert is stamped 1/8” stamped steel about 3/8” tall (from what I could tell), adequate to the task; unfortunately it was screwed down. I did get down on a knee look up inside from the bottom but the dust collection hood covered most of the innards. The base has feet and is rock solid, you could dance on it. Overall the fit and finish were excellent. I was going to take pics but couldn’t find an angle that hadn’t already been photographed.

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#31 posted 01-06-2014 01:05 AM

OK… I now have about 100 pictures of all aspects of the 36-725 on display at my local Lowes, including a few up into the cabinet from below and detailed shots of the fence, rails, miter slots, pauls, riving knife, and guard. Any requests?

I did notice that the blade deflects very slightly toward the fence and back again while raising it up out of the table, and deflects about a 64th at full height (within the last quarter turn) not an issue for actually USING the saw, just something I noticed at the store… Have video if interested. Cheers NRT

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#32 posted 01-06-2014 01:45 AM

Thanks for the pics!

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#33 posted 01-06-2014 01:57 AM

Thanks for the Pics… do you have any more detailed pics of the how the fence and rails work? I would love to see the video too if you can post it. or just post a link

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#34 posted 01-06-2014 02:24 AM

http://youtu.be/jfsrErB-mUk

Video of raising the blade against a square. Does not seem to get out of square, just deflects to the right and back as it raises… Slight though, just FYI…

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#35 posted 01-06-2014 02:49 AM

Ice99: I’m not clear how you used your HF 25% off since I don’t see any evidence that HF sells Delta saws. Can you explain how you convinced Lowes to match it?

-- Ken, Blaine Washington

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#36 posted 01-06-2014 06:52 AM

Not sure about the deflection because your square moves as does the insert.

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#37 posted 01-06-2014 02:20 PM

Hey Rick, Yes, I noticed that as well, at the very top end of the vertical travel the insert does rise causing the level to move as well. My concern was the “wobbling” that the blade does on the length of it’s travel (pretty clear between 2.5 and 3.4 inches). Here the square does not move, nor does the insert, only the square to blade gap distance changes.

As I said earlier, this is just something I noticed while quickly “checking out” a possible purchase. There is also every possibility that I was the cause of the wobble as I turned the height adjustment wheel… Don’t know why it was doing it… ...just saw it do it…

BTW, I also am interested in the Harbor Freight coupon question. How does THAT work and what coupon? Are we talking about the standard “take 25% off anything in the store” coupon, or a specific tablesaw coupon? 25% off $600 would seal the deal for me on this saw even though it is a floor model and would likely (for my own peace of mind) need to be dis and re assembled once back at the compound…

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#38 posted 01-06-2014 03:14 PM

NRThompson,
Using HF coupons and Lowes and HD is specific to your local store management. Most of them will not allow it. Both my HD and Lowes used to take them, but not longer do. In fact, I haven’t found any in the past year that will take them in the Pittsburgh area. However, every couple of years the stores get amnesia and start taking them again. That seems to last a couple of months and then one day they deny you and say they’ve never taken them. Some people report success calling the corporate headquaters and having corporate make the local store match the coupon. I tried it without success. Corporate told me it is up to each store’s management to decide who their local competitors are.

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#39 posted 01-06-2014 03:47 PM

I’ve tried to use them at all my local big box stores in the DC area. I’ve been 100% unsuccessful. I think too many people have been trying, which would explain the eyerolls I recieved when I tried.

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#40 posted 01-06-2014 04:49 PM

On the lowes website it says that they will match % off coupons so I took the 25% off coupon to the check out told them their ” lowes website” website said they matched and the checkout gal called a supervisor and they looked to see that the coupon was legit and rung me up! Before I went in I called and asked if they matched coupons and they said they did not! That was before I looked on their web site. I would say that you go in with your coupon and ” tell them they match it” instead of ask. And when they give you problems show them their website” good luck!

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#41 posted 01-06-2014 11:50 PM

Finding this thread is timely as I spotted this Delta in Lowe’s earlier today. Overall, I was thoroughly impressed – especially at the price point – and if I can get them to honor my (just printed) HF 20% coupon, it’s hard to imagine a better deal. Thanks for the valuable feedback!

EDIT: Ice99 (or anyone else in the know) – Where on Lowe’s website is the % coupon matching mentioned? I’m sure I’m staring blindly at it but any help would be appreciated! :)

-- Billy

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#42 posted 01-07-2014 06:05 AM

Just checked Lowes website. They state that where a competitor offers a % discount they will match the net price of the competitor for an identical item. There is no mention of matching a blanket % discount on anything.

-- Ken, Blaine Washington

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#43 posted 01-07-2014 05:11 PM

keninblaine: Thanks, that would make sense but it doesn’t hurt to ask!

-- Billy

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#44 posted 01-07-2014 10:39 PM

Here’s what I found on their site, and it does sound like a they match the final price…not the percent…

If a competitor is offering a percent off discount, we’ll match the final net price the competitor is offering.

-- "Don't ask me how I know that"-CN

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#45 posted 01-07-2014 10:45 PM

At that price point, the Delta actually looks like a decent saw.

Alternatively, this is the kind of saw that money buys:

http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DWE7491RS-10-Inch-Jobsite-Capacity/dp/B00F2CGXGG/ref=sr_1_50?ie=UTF8&qid=1389132049&sr=8-50&keywords=contractor+table+saw

I know there are plenty of naysayers, but as a contractor that saw could quickly pay for itself. I have a smaller portable saw and a big old Unisaw, but the saw posted occupies a legitimate niche between the two.

This saw is not for woodworkers, the market is contractors like me. As a professional carpenter, my opinion is that Delta probably has a good chance of success, with their target market, with this product.

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#46 posted 01-08-2014 12:18 AM

Same here, I wentt to Lowes and was impressed with this Delta 36-725 table saw. I plan to buy myself one at this similar price range and not ready to buy $3k saw.
With this price, would you purchase this Delta 36-725 or DeWalt DWE7491RS ? I see both have nice features which is good for start up woodworking projects.
Does higher RPM has more advantage like DeWalt has 4800 RPM or Delta’s 3450 is sufficient enough for hardwood/softwood projects?
DeWalt has 15amps and Delta has 13amps. Does that make any difference due to HP and cooling?

Let me know which I should get?

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#47 posted 01-08-2014 01:00 AM

NRThompson,

Looks like it is NOT Square to table to me…

Looks like the blade should be tilted a tad more to the Right to fill the Light gap at bottom.

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#48 posted 01-11-2014 01:00 PM

I still haven’t seen one setup at our Lowes, but from the pics it’s not clear that this is a belt drive saw with an induction motor. Can someone who’s run it, seen it, or read it confirm? TIA!

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#49 posted 01-11-2014 02:22 PM

Scott, I haven’t seen one at our Lowe’s, either, but Delta's website page does say “Quiet, effiecient belt drive”. I still have lots of questions about the saw, as well, so have been following this thread. Can’t wait to see what the guys that have purchased have to say after using for a bit.

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#50 posted 01-11-2014 02:32 PM

Thanks JayT….it’s still possible to put a small cogged belt on a universal motor, and call it belt drive. The pic doesn’t look like an induction motor, but it’s hard to tell. I’m not even remotely in the market, but am just try to get the whole scoop on this saw!

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