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I need your opinion, what would you do?

by b2rtch
posted 10-15-2013 05:33 PM


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b2rtch

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#1 posted 10-15-2013 06:08 PM

Guys, I need your opinions.

-- Bert

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#2 posted 10-15-2013 06:21 PM

You got your money back on the first one, Right?

And, you know now that working with Mark will probably solve future problems.

So, I would take the refund and buy a new one from Alibaba

I would first contact Mark and tell him you are making a second purchase of the welder (preferably via email so you have a paper trail) and ask if he can baby-sit the purchase and shipping process, so that all goes well.

And while you are communicating with Mark regarding the new (second) purchase) ask him what he wants done with the original welder you still have.

Just my $0.02

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#3 posted 10-15-2013 06:28 PM

Thank you Bruce.
Yes, I still have the original welder.

-- Bert

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#4 posted 10-15-2013 06:54 PM

What kind of welder are we talking about?

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#5 posted 10-15-2013 07:07 PM

A 200 Amps inverter welder,dual voltage if possible.
At work we have a Miller, with the same specification and TIG but it cost well over $2500.00.
This Miller welder is sooooo sweet

-- Bert

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#6 posted 10-15-2013 07:19 PM

I’m not sure about consumables for your China built machine, but if I were to over come the fear of getting totally ripped off (which you obviously have) my next concern would be where do I get parts for the thing.

I must admit I was looking at a plasma cutter from this source. And, about like you said, the price was super; $340 v.s. $2500 for an Esab or Miller. But then I wonder, where do I get new tips for the gun once I burn up the pack that comes with it.

Hope you resolve this and I’ll be watching to see how it comes out. Thanks for posting.

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#7 posted 10-15-2013 07:33 PM

b2rtch, on the original welder, what was the fault? If i read right, when you strike an arc it immediately goes into overload and shuts down? The reason I ask is I have a small miller inverter, Miller Maxstar 150, that uses 110v or 220v but the unit does not appreciate diet food for stick welding. I have found it to be rather effective powered with 110v for TIG but as I said for SMAW it is fairly easy to overload if you are allowing excessive arc length. With all of that said, I do manage to complete some weld before overload. Like a lot of power tools, the available circuit load and extension chords play a part in line voltage loss also.

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#8 posted 10-15-2013 07:43 PM

casual1carpenter, there is no fault, it just shut down and the overload light comes on (or vice versa) as soon as I try to strike an arc.
I have tried several times, it did same thing each time.
I have tried on 110 and 220, no difference, my cord is 10 gauge and about 6 feet long.

-- Bert

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#9 posted 10-15-2013 07:46 PM

crank49, tips are standard, as far as I know they are all the same from one brand to the next.

-- Bert

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#10 posted 10-15-2013 07:49 PM

This is the welder I bought.
I paid 181.25 for it, last week it was on sale for $153.00.

http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/263788094.html

today :
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/IGBT-New-MMA-welding-machinezx7-200-Dual-Voltage-110-220V-Free-Shipping/472371489.html

The one star review is mine

-- Bert

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#11 posted 10-15-2013 08:05 PM

Two weeks ago I could bought 10 of these welders for $73.00 each!!

-- Bert

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#12 posted 10-15-2013 08:11 PM

buying cheap could end up being expensive. at least you got the refund. If you need a welder – just save up and get a quality unit. the cheaper ones simply don’t cut it for most uses.

unless you do have a specific use -and know for fact that this lower-cost unit will do the job…then I would just get another unit and scrap the malfunctioning one – or if you are up for the task, try repairing it yourself. but for the cost these guys want to just take a look at it (no guarantee to fix) its just not worth it – in my opinion

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#13 posted 10-15-2013 08:24 PM

I’m with C_Plus on giving them another chance. Worse case you are out the original dollars, best case you have the old one for some spare parts. I also believe that the vendor has been taught a lesson by your contact and will likely prove to be more responsive in future transactions. I had a similar experience with a Chinese company on a meter. When I told them it failed, I included photos of their meter connected to the same point (and at the same time) as another meter showing different measurements. It made it much easier for the “intermediary” argue my case for replacement. On an outright dead-on-arrival, you have no responsibility for return freight. If they want it back they have to pay the freight.

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#14 posted 10-15-2013 08:26 PM

My mentality is a bit different than some others. I try to buy mid-tier tools from a:
1- Local source
2- Reputable DOMESTIC online source
(in that order)
I don’t like hassles like the one you’re currently dealing with. I like to be reasonably sure that a product will work once I get it home. I like to be reasonably sure I’ll be satisifed with its performance. I like to be reasonably sure I can get my money back (without the help of C-level management) if any of my expectations are not met.

Look at it this way. You’ve scoured the internet looking for a welder. You ordered the cheapest one you could find. You’ve wated time waiting for delivery.You’ve wasted time trying to get it to work. You’ve wasted time getting refunds. You’ve taken it to two repair shops, neither of which wanted to touch it (without a diagnostic fee). And now you want to repeat that process?? If you have LOTS of time on your hands, then dealing with these headaches might be worthwhile (but I don’t see how). Otherwise, paying an extra c-note, for a similar welder, probably would have saved you several hours of your life that you’ll never get back. You’d be welding away right now if you dealt with a local source…..even if it were Harbor Freight. And I’ll bet you’ll end-up with a better welder too.

Just my honest opinion.

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#15 posted 10-15-2013 11:07 PM

Bert, looks like you did all of my first thought things right. I keep flipping to that linked page with the currently price and what shipping would be if it were not free. $135. – $52 cheapest shipping listed = $83????? After your first experience, which you got out of with Marks help, I don’t know that I would go to that well again. As far as repair shops go, I would not bother. While it is true that it might be something obvious to the tech inside and a quick fix if it requires parts the diagnostics and repair bill will likely be more than the value of the welder.

Any chance you can just use the welder at work or perhaps borrow it for a weekend?

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#16 posted 10-15-2013 11:10 PM

I’d get a Miller! Good quality machine….............Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#17 posted 10-15-2013 11:22 PM

Alibaba.com did you right.
Manufacturer DID NOT.

Literally throw the defective welder away, you no longer have a right to own it. YOU HAVE YOUR REFUND.

Look elsewhere for a welder. The manufacturer screwed up not Alibaba.com though do not think for a moment that Alibaba won’t be going after their vender, they will. Again, not YOUR problem. Look elsewhere.

My 2-cents…

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#18 posted 10-15-2013 11:55 PM

You get what you pay for. If you want to weld, look at Miller.

-- Clint Searl....Ya can no more do what ya don't know how than ya can git back from where ya ain't been

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#19 posted 10-16-2013 12:28 AM

Clint Sear, would you really spend this kind of money for welder that you would use only once or twice a year, if yes you are either insane or you have too much money

-- Bert

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#20 posted 10-16-2013 12:58 AM

If I might humbly offer a suggestion.
If you have a TSC (Tractor Supply Corp.) near you, why don’t you go check out their offerings.

They are friendly knowledgeable folks. And, they seek employees with knowledge of welding.
I know because I know someone in their HR group.

They sell Hobart welders, not Miller, but at least a well known brand. They also sell parts and accessories.
Their machines are probably made in China, just like Powermatic, Jet, Rikon, Grizzly, etc., etc.
But, their prices are quite good and they will take care of you.
If something does not work, they will take it back and give you another.

Tractor Supply caters to people who are passionately handy, the very origin of DIYers.

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#21 posted 10-16-2013 01:37 AM

+10 on TSC, that skipped right over me. We by all our feed there.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#22 posted 10-16-2013 09:49 AM

Thanks crank49 and Mike

-- Bert

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#23 posted 10-16-2013 12:58 PM

Bert, yes, and I did.

-- Clint Searl....Ya can no more do what ya don't know how than ya can git back from where ya ain't been

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#24 posted 10-16-2013 01:08 PM

A (Plus 1) for both of what HorizontalMike and Tedstor said, I agree with them both.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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#25 posted 10-16-2013 01:19 PM

Clint Searl, I apologize for saying what I said about you, it was not appropriate.
I am cheap by nature and I refuse to pay for name brand , any name brand.
In addition my skills are not good enough to take full advantage of expensive tools. I would love to own Veritas planes, not to use them but to look at them just because they are beautiful objects. I do not own any because for what I do a Stanley is good enough and far less expensive.
I could afford an expensive German sedan but I refuse to buy one even if the technology behind them is fantastic.
In addition I have religious reasons to not spend to much money on any one thing.

-- Bert

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#26 posted 10-16-2013 01:49 PM

http://twinfalls.craigslist.org/tls/4118784787.html
Hello i hv a old miller maxstar91 arc welder thats been takdn up room first reasonable offer takes it asking $150 call or txt 320-3597

Miller maxstar91 arc welder – $150 (Twin falls)

How about a Miller in your price range?

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#27 posted 10-16-2013 02:44 PM

waho6o9, thank you but no.

-- Bert

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#28 posted 10-16-2013 05:34 PM

Bert, no apology necessary. “Crazy” is one of the nicer thing I’ve been called here.

-- Clint Searl....Ya can no more do what ya don't know how than ya can git back from where ya ain't been

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#29 posted 10-16-2013 07:31 PM

That is some real CHEAP junk from China.
Just my 2 cents.

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#30 posted 10-18-2013 12:49 PM

Bert go easy on us after all you asked the question, :) you’ll get all kinds of anwswers, Actually, after listening to your replies and reading between the lines, if monies are an issue you might look at buying on CL, get lucky and find a name brand at your expense and most likely better then the off the wall brands, just a suggestion.

I’m with Clint, I too would purchase name brand no matter what, knowing what I do now, I’ve been up the road you are going and it’s actually cost me more in the long run replacing the non or broken junk, I’ve just about weeded the cheap stuff out, a few more items to go, you have a nice big shop to boot.

Edit In: I just took a look at your shop and you have a lot of nice machinery, I’m a bit confused at to your statement about being cheap, you have a lot of nice stuff, only thing that I saw that looked to be on the low end is what looked like to be the HF bandsaw, you have a nice shop to boot.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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#31 posted 10-18-2013 01:25 PM

Blackie, thank you for the nice compliments.
Yes I am blessed with a very nice shop and nice tools but most tools I have, I have bought new or with a very good price.
I rarely if not never pay full price for anything.
I have a Makita sliding miter saw only because I paid close to $ 300.00 off list price new fort it.

-- Bert

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#32 posted 10-18-2013 02:40 PM

If you don’t mind China stuff, I’d suggest checking to see what Harbor Freight has. You can get their 3 year warranty and if something goes wrong, just exchange it for a new one. Some of their items are not that bad and if I need something that will be seldom used I’ve been know to go that route. This is assuming you have one reasonably close to you.

-- “We all die. The goal isn't to live forever; the goal is to create something that will.” - Chuck Palahniuk

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#33 posted 10-18-2013 03:31 PM

HF is always the first place I look , They carry an inverter welder but it is only 80 AMP and cast more than the 200AMPS
I bought

-- Bert

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#34 posted 10-18-2013 03:37 PM

I’ve had two Lincolns for years and years and never could wear either one out. They finally burned up with the plant last year.

helluvawreck aka Charles
http://woodworkingexpo.wordpress.com

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#35 posted 10-21-2013 01:09 PM

Charles, yep, ya can’t go wrong with a miller or Lincoln, about the only other thing that I can think of that would put either in the waste besides fire would be coastal salty air = rust. :)

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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