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Hand Plane ?s

by shaver
posted 331 days ago


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bandit571

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#1 posted 331 days ago

just keep looking, I found a Wards, made by Stanley.

$16 + S&H for that minty #78 clone.

Look around a few sales for a 60 low angle block. I haven’t needed one, yet.

welcome to a very slippery slope…..

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#2 posted 331 days ago

And so it begins…. The Plane Addiction! :-)

nice score

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Don W

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#3 posted 331 days ago

Welcome to LJ’s.

First, that’s a nice starter set you got there for $80. You are off to a good start and headed down a very slippery slope. Those things are as addicting as potatoes chips.

I’d tune up that 9 1/2 and don’t worry about a 60 1/2 until you stumble across one. That 9 1/2 will serve you very well.

There is lots of help here on tuning, but here is my thoughts.

And it doesn’t look like to many of yours need a full restore, but just in case.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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sikrap

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#4 posted 331 days ago

Yeah, you did very well for $80. Don’s links will be very helpful, but if yo get stuck, just ask here and at least one of us will be very happy to help you. As for a low angle block, don’t rush out and get one just to have it. They are pretty common at garage/moving/estate sales and, if you’re patient, you can grab one for $10 or less. As for the rabbeting plane, I would suggest buying one from someone you know rather than ebay. I suspect Don can sell you one and I know I can :) Buying one that’s ready to work for $30-$40 might turn out to be less expensive than getting one for $20 plus shipping if its missing pieces or needs lots of work. Congrats!! on the haul and welcome to one of the slipperiest slopes there is.

-- Dave, Colonie, NY

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poopiekat

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#5 posted 330 days ago

Nice haul! Was everybody asleep when those planes came to the auction block? Even after separating the wheat from the chaff, that was a great deal for $80. Congrats!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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shaver

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#6 posted 330 days ago

I went to the auction with a budget and after all was said and done, I’m kicking myself for not spending $80 more for some great deals.

For instance, a Delta drill press went for $30, and a butcher block woodworking table with vise went for $45 (easily 300 lbs+) – there was a whole slew of pipe clamps I could have used – but the bidding was fast and furious for those.

The auction was wonky – you basically bid on boxes of tools – the contents of which were a mish-mash – for instance, a lot may be tomato box of chisels, planes, and drill bits.. 2 of the planes you don’t want, and one you might want – but you need to take the whole thing if you want it. Things got interesting when one person wanted one thing in the box, and someone else wanted something else – that was how I got the bailey no. 3 plane, it was thrown in a bucket with a paint shaker someone won for a $40 bid.. I offered them $10 (for that rusty ‘ole tool) and we both got what we wanted.

There were probably around 50 planes all totaled, all dispersed amongst perhaps 15 separate lots – the planes I came away with were from 3 seperate lots.. I definitely got the picks of the litter (no bedrocks the or like here)

Oh, neglected to mention – got a 10 amp deep cycle battery charger for $10 (I hope it works) – planned to strip the rust with electrolysis.

Speaking of which.. I want to wash the chip breakers/soles that might be too much work in an electrolytic bath for a while.. I have the bucket, I have the battery charger (I hope), got the washing soda.. about an sacrificial anode…

The last homeowner graciously left us about 200 lbs in cast iron barbell plates, i.e.:

I know not to use stainless steel, galvanized steel or brass.. cast iron would be fine, right?

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Tbolt

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#7 posted 330 days ago

Very nice haul Shaver, you did very good. DonW’s links will help you a great deal.

-- Fumbling and Bumbling Woodworking Todd

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shaver

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#8 posted 330 days ago

okie, almost ready to throw the rusty parts in the electrolysis bath – for anyone who has done this – does this look like it’ll do the job? (picture water just covering the top of the pieces and just below the positive battery charger clip)

Negative clip conducting along straightened wire hanger-thru-pipe to repurposed paint-bucket handle hangers to the pieces themselves.

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Don W

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#9 posted 330 days ago

it should work, but sometimes I find it necessary to clamp the wires to the pieces to get connectivity. you can tell pretty quick. If you don’t see bubbles on a few minutes, its not working.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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shaver

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#10 posted 330 days ago

Thanks Don & All..

I’ve started working on the number 4 bailey – I’ve ground the sole and sides on a piece of granite and 100 grit sandpaper- the body & frog have no rust on them, so that’s an easy clean up.. the blade, chip-breaker and lever cap all need to go into the electrolysis bath..

After I scrub and wire brush the parts, I plan to wipe 3-in-1 oil as a protectant – leave the handle and knob as is (they appear fine)

Once I’m done with the no.4, I’ll post a pic.

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Tugboater78

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#11 posted 330 days ago

Extra fine scotch brite pads are awesome for final polish, just a little tidbit, looks like you are off to a great start

-- Justin - the tugboat woodworker - " nothing changed me like the first shnick from a well sharpened, decent hand plane"

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shaver

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#12 posted 322 days ago

okie!

got bailey #3 and #4 (mostly) done (middle two bench planes from the second picture of the first post)

Here they are:

Bailey #3:


Bailey #4:


And working on the #5C – currently stewing in the electrolysis bath:

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Don W

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#13 posted 322 days ago

Looking good!

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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Tugboater78

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#14 posted 322 days ago

Got em all spiffied up, lookin good!

-- Justin - the tugboat woodworker - " nothing changed me like the first shnick from a well sharpened, decent hand plane"

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HorizontalMike

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#15 posted 322 days ago

Wow! Don’t ya’ just love the electrolysis bath or what!... Cool!

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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shaver

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#16 posted 321 days ago

Picked up a few more items..

  • Norton Water Stones set – 220/1000 + 4000/8000 + Lapping stone and bases/boxes for $112 on ebay
  • Veritas MK II Honing Guide from Woodcraft

Haven’t sharpened anything yet, as I’m still waiting for the stones via postal and I GOUGED my left index finger trying to show my 8 yr old the bench grinder – waiting for that to heal before I get my hands dirty with sharpening/grinding (note band-aid in above pics, lol)

I kept telling myself “this is a bad idea, I don’t want him to get hurt..” so I put thick gloves on him, safety glasses and I’m holding his hand steady while he holds a chipbreaker against the spinning wire brush on the right side of the grinder – without thinking, I move my left hand; all my focus was on my 8 yr old and keeping him safe – I grind a half-inch long 1/4” deep chunk out of my finger on the grinding wheel, which of course, was also spinning on the left side.. needless to say, that was the end of the lesson.

In the meantime, I’m just soaking parts in the electrolysis bath, watching wood-working youtubes and looking for estate auctions where I can score pipe clamps/router table/low-angle block plane

Once my finger heals, I want to try and flatten the soles a little more on the bailey #3/#4 – restore the #5 and 9 1/2 plane and sharpen the blades – more pics to follow! :)

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WayneC

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#17 posted 321 days ago

Also put antique street fairs on your fall and spring to do list. They can be good places to find antique tools.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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shaver

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#18 posted 321 days ago

hrm.. this kinda hurt, I’m glad it didn’t happen to a big bench plane..

to those of you wondering “never tried electrolysis, how is it with the japanning on my plane?”

Here’s your answer:

(the black bits are flecks of japanning)

and the resulting 9 1/2 bock plane:

To be fair, I put my bailey #5 in the electrolysis and not nearly as much of the japanning came off.

I suspect it has more to do with the state of the japanning on your plane.. if you have concerns about losing japanning, it’s safe to say, don’t use electrolysis.

I’m not overly bummed about my block plane losing the japanning, and may just leave it the way it is – I would just rather have kept the japanning.

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Don W

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#19 posted 321 days ago

Actually, I think it has to do with how much rust is under the japanning. My theory is, if the japanning comes off, I want it off.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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waho6o9

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#20 posted 321 days ago

Good call on the water stones.

Maybe pick up a Nagura stone to create a slurry on the finer stones.

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#21 posted 321 days ago

Electrolysis should not affect the japanning itself. It will, however, attack any corrosion under the japanning. The most likely explanation is that there was rust under some areas of japanning, so when that bubbled off, it took the overlying finish with it.

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bandit571

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#22 posted 321 days ago

Better to use the zapper stuf, than what someone did to clean up this plane

Yep, they used a REGULAR SAND blaster to remove rust, just to make it pretty for a yard sale..

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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shaver

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#23 posted 321 days ago

Thanks Don and Jay – very sneaky rust ;) the finish prior to me dropping the block plane in the electrolysis looked fairly smooth and rust-free. It gives me some pause that buying a plane you may think is rust free visually very well may not be.

Waho – interesting, wasn’t familiar with the nagura stone – thanks for opening my eyes to it

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waho6o9

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#24 posted 321 days ago

:)

I’m making a proto type of sorts with a recirculating pump for
my water stones and it’s proving to be effective.

Always have fresh abrasives.

Oh yeah.

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shaver

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#25 posted 321 days ago

Fresh abrasives?

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waho6o9

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#26 posted 321 days ago

As the swarf is removed the waterstone doesn’t build
up gunk.

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HorizontalMike

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#27 posted 320 days ago

Don: …”Actually, I think it has to do with how much rust is under the japanning. My theory is, if the japanning comes off, I want it off….

Absolutely! Why keep a “crappy coating” if you will need to repace at some time anyway?... Geez, these things have already spent +100yr in the wilderness as it is!...

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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