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At Least You Are Getting Credit

by lew
posted 08-19-2013 05:34 PM


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mmh

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#1 posted 08-19-2013 06:20 PM

I find this interesting, as I recently had a bone to pick with a fellow who is posting images of work done by different artists and professionals and he was not posting any info as to credit of the work. http://source-book.com/galleries/wood-gallery-2-curated-collection-pinterest? He defended himself as using images from Pinterest that did not give any credit to their images and I remarked that the creator of the piece/work is due some credit for their work since there is no monetary gain for them, as otherwise we, as the creator of the project, become victims of cyberspace limbo with our work being seen but never recognized as the creator. His latest posting did credit the artist/architect/designer even if it linked to another page of mass unmarked images of work by many unknown/unrecognized artists.

FYI: Some of the images of woodwork were recognizable as pieces of some fellow lumberjocks.

-- "They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night." ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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lew

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#2 posted 08-19-2013 07:33 PM

I agree, Meilie.
Anyone who re-post an image, blog, or other work by another should give credit/reference to said person. I realize when you post something on the Internet, it is pretty much out of you hands. But, at least you should be given the recognition

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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shipwright

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#3 posted 08-19-2013 07:37 PM

I don’t really care but wonder how he finds the items he chooses to post. He has three of my things listed, none of which is any more than a simple aid to a simple operation. They weren’t even posted as projects, in fact they were all posted in comments. I feel snubbed. ;-) I’ve come up with some good ones and the %#{%]*^ missed them. :-(

-- Paul M ..............If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats he would have given us fibreglass trees. http://thecanadianschooloffrenchmarquetry.com/

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WayneC

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#4 posted 08-19-2013 07:44 PM

He might even be using automation to grab tags off of LJs. The LJ site owners might have more of an issue with it.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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grizzman

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#5 posted 08-19-2013 08:54 PM

yea i agree with paul, and i too feel snubbed..;).....to many issues that can be debated on this, i find it refressing that one of my works was in there, thanks for the heads up lew…hope your doing well…and howdy to you to paul…summer is coming to an end, i hope friendship is having a good season…cheers mate’s

-- GRIZZMAN ...[''''']

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BTimmons

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#6 posted 08-19-2013 09:06 PM

Just saw this topic and realized there’s an important trick to share. I made a blog post about it so more might be able to see it.

-- Brian Timmons - http://www.BigTWoodworks.com

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Woodwrecker

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#7 posted 08-19-2013 09:30 PM

I don’t know whether to feel proud, or abused that some of my work is displayed..lol

-- Eric, central Florida / Utor praemia operibus duris

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Clint Searl

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#8 posted 08-19-2013 10:28 PM

I assume that anything posted on any site is up for grabs by anyone who wants it. It’s open season.

-- Clint Searl....Ya can no more do what ya don't know how than ya can git back from where ya ain't been

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DaleM

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#9 posted 08-19-2013 10:40 PM

The funny thing is, I’ve heard it said on here before and I totally agree, that there should be someplace to post tools and jigs separate from the other projects. It looks like we almost have that now.

-- Dale Manning, Carthage, NY

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knockknock

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#10 posted 08-19-2013 11:11 PM

Homemade Tools appears to be just an “INDEX”, which is usually deemed an acceptable use (resized single image, summary / sample text). To get the full details on your project, people have to click on the link which takes them to Lumberjocks. If I was affected (which I am not), I would consider it a good thing.

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mmh

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#11 posted 08-19-2013 11:13 PM

Actually, there are major legal issues here, but the big corporations are the ones who spend big money on this. It’s an uphill battle so the little people just don’t bother.

As a common courtesy, it should be known that you should not use an image posted online unless you 1) Own the image; 2) Get written permission to use the image and give proper credit. Unfortunately, the common practice of the internet society is to ignore common courtesy, as the faceless environment allows one to be rude and ignorant. But only if you want to be. Ignorance is not always bliss.

-- "They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night." ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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SPalm

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#12 posted 08-20-2013 12:23 AM

Legal or not, I still don’t like it.

Steve

-- -- I'm no rocket surgeon

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Stephenw

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#13 posted 08-20-2013 12:43 AM

That homemade tool site just hot links images from other sites. All of the tools in the index clearly show where they came from. A link is included to the tool article on the original site.

About 10 tools I have made and posted to my own websites or various other sites are linked in their index. I have no problem with it.

If they have linked one of your tools and you have a problem with it, contact them, and they will remove it from the list.

One of mine…

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cutworm

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#14 posted 08-20-2013 12:48 AM

Cool. I guess. I found a couple of my projects. Class action anyone??

-- Steve - "Never Give Up"

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Buckethead

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#15 posted 08-20-2013 01:57 AM

I’m not sure there is a reasonable claim to be made against such activity, even without credit given. We freely share our images with the unEverse. (Clever, huh?)

When our images turn up elsewhere, we can at least know about it. Now when our government serves and protects us by copying, storing, using our data, we don’t have any means of finding out.

Oops… Almost delved into socio-econo-politico-religio-tabooificative discussion there. Whew! Close one!

-- Support woodworking hand models. Buy me a sawstop.

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Napaman

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#16 posted 08-20-2013 02:11 AM

Is he gaining revenue by selling advertising? So he scavenges the internet and does not have to do anything but provide a link…meanwhile LJ’s has done all the development…has created a community EIGHT years in the making….built it up by monitoring the community and a lot of hard work…then he comes in and grabs the hard work???

Its about revenue…I would bet. LJ’s owners should have a concern…

-- Matt--Proud LJ since 2007

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rrww

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#17 posted 08-20-2013 11:57 AM

I don’t see any advertising there. It looks as if this was possibly a website that was going to sell ads, but has been abandoned.

It looks like all info is generated by bots. Not much by real humans. It looks like he updates the “blog” about once a month. The site looks be be created in 2011, and since then there has been updates by google to stop sites like these from showing up in the search results. Not much traffic either. It does seem like he is trying to collect e-mail address with that e-book. The domain expires in 2014 and wouldn’t be surprised to see it gone.

Name for their “copyright agent”
Jonathan Rubinstien
PO Box 20445
Boulder, CO 80308
copyright@homemadetools.net
1-877-512-7910

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MShort

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#18 posted 08-20-2013 04:19 PM

I found the site really a help as I found a link back to the lumberjocks site on items that I seem to have missed along the way. Found some really cool items to look at. Thanks Lew.

-- Mike, Missouri --- “A positive life can not happen with a negative mind.” ---

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KenHMT

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#19 posted 08-21-2013 04:57 PM

Hi Guys,

Thought I’d say hello here from HomemadeTools.net. We’re definitely not bots, that’s for sure! Just some folks who love homemade tools and want to share that passion with the world. Our site is a simple index, just like Google Images, and is entirely legal.

Every entry added to our database is linked back to the original post and fully credited to the original builder. In fact, many of our linked fora report seeing significant traffic bumps on their own sites thanks to our links – and that’s good for everyone.

BTW, we really like the “projects” link in each LJ poster’s user block. That’s a neat idea that we haven’t noticed elsewhere.

Lest grizzman continue to feel snubbed, we added some of his work yesterday. You can see his builder page here: http://www.homemadetools.net/builder/grizzman

Also, here’s shipwright’s page for good measure: http://www.homemadetools.net/builder/shipwright

Ken

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Christophret

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#20 posted 08-21-2013 05:02 PM

But…not asking permission is creepy.

-- I cut it twice and it's still too short!

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grizzman

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#21 posted 08-21-2013 08:12 PM

hey there ken, just so you know i said the snubb comment in jest as i know shipwright did, i think it was vary gracious that you added a few more of my projects, and i personaly dont see anything wrong with your web site, as it does take anyone back to the origanal post, before your website was known , anyone could have access to our projects and exploit them in some way, i dont see that on your site at all…i feel flatered that my work is appecited.

-- GRIZZMAN ...[''''']

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KenHMT

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#22 posted 08-21-2013 08:25 PM

Thanks for the kind words about the site. I knew you were kidding, but wanted to get your work added anyway. Great stuff and very much appreciated!

We love it when such talented builders get what we’re doing. Keep up the good work!

Ken

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shipwright

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#23 posted 08-22-2013 03:52 AM

OK not snubbed anymore. Grizz was absolutely correct. ......just joking.
I have no problem with this . The greatest compliments I get are when someone makes something because they saw mine and got inspired by it. It’s all free.

-- Paul M ..............If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats he would have given us fibreglass trees. http://thecanadianschooloffrenchmarquetry.com/

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MikeinSC

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#24 posted 08-22-2013 10:39 AM

Copyright law basically says that the moment a camera shutter closes and an image is created, the person holding the camera is the legal owner. Anyone who uses that image without consent from the copyright owner, is doing so illegally. The law extends to all works of art, not just photographs.

You all may want to look into that.

-- I am what they call a "rookie".

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