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Finally Broke Wind & Ordered a SawStop

by longgone
posted 04-29-2013 03:11 PM


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#1 posted 04-29-2013 03:14 PM

Wish I was close enough to buy your Grizzly. Good luck with the new saw.

-- Mother Nature created it, I just assemble it.

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#2 posted 04-29-2013 04:12 PM

We need all the safety equipment we can afford. Looking at Archies site brings back memories of the dulcimer-bowed psaltery-harps I made. They are a lot of fun to make.
-don

-- Flaws are only in the eye of the artisan!

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#3 posted 04-29-2013 04:21 PM

I’ve got one coming this week too. Which one are you getting?

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#4 posted 04-29-2013 04:27 PM

Any idea what you will be selling the Grizzly for?

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#5 posted 04-29-2013 04:27 PM

Greg,

Congratulations on your decision. Safety is paramount when using powered machines. Hope you had a great show. So you can pay for the new beast! LOL

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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#6 posted 04-29-2013 04:33 PM

Congratulations!!!

I know many woodworkers cringe at hearing someone bought a sawstop due to their politics, and while I don’t agree with how they are going about it, I’m all for the additional safety it offers. Plus it’s a really fine machine.

It only takes a second of distraction to have a lifetime of loss.

Good move.

Lee

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#7 posted 04-29-2013 04:48 PM

I wasn’t a big fan of Sawstop when they were trying to get their technology forced on the market. But they changed their tune and did it the right way. They developed a top notch saw and let the market decide. I think they repented, and I am willing to forgive and forget.

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#8 posted 04-29-2013 04:59 PM

Archie makes some beautiful pieces.

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#9 posted 04-29-2013 05:27 PM

Greg, you know when the time is right
A good move.
Jamie

-- Who is the happiest of men? He who values the merits of others, and in their pleasure takes joy, even as though 'twere his own. --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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#10 posted 04-29-2013 05:33 PM

I don’t blame you a bit, Greg.

By the way, I was at Jazz Fest Saturday and hoped to run across your booth, but we got there later than expected due to a minor family emergency, and I didn’t get to make the full rounds.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#11 posted 04-29-2013 05:38 PM

I think they repented…

More like they lost the lawsuit that would’ve forced this on everyone.

Still, I hear only good things… (Except the price)

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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gtbuzz

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#12 posted 04-29-2013 05:45 PM

Congrats on the purchase – hopefully you’ll find out the same thing that I did… it’s a top of the line cabinet saw that just so happens to include the safety technology for the same price as the other guys.

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#13 posted 04-29-2013 05:50 PM

I’m in the ‘equipment looks top notch, but hated them trying to push stuff on everyone’. That said, I hold no grudge against them, and I’m all for shop safety.

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#14 posted 04-29-2013 06:02 PM

DS- Once, when I was a kid, I wanted pie so bad I stole some from from the kitchen counter. I got a beating. Now I get my pie the right way. You could say I only do so because of the beating. I say I learned a lesson the hard way and changed my ways. Either way, I’m not known as a pie thief anymore.

I met the guys over there. They made a good impression on me. They also make the best saw I’ve ever used. So I base my buying decisions on those two factors rather than their short lived, misguided legal case.

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#15 posted 04-29-2013 06:08 PM

I have had the PCS for a few years now and like it a lot.

-- Greg D.

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#16 posted 04-29-2013 08:01 PM

I know there are a lot of politics involved with the SawStop and it most certainly does rub many the wrong way when someone tries to force something on anyone….my thoughts are that my fingers and body parts are much more important than any persons politics…and the fact that it is a top quality saw just puts the icing on the cake (or the filling in the pie). never read any negatives about the saw quality and the ones I saw in person looked good.

Stumpy…I bought the 3hp professional model. I plan on using my Incra fence with it. I bought it on Amazon and it will be delivered to my house…no shipping and no taxes

Bretts…I am selling the Grizzly for $500.

Thomas…sales at Jazz Fest made it a real easy decision…but I would have bought it anyway after visiting with Archie. SawStop should give him a commission.

Joein10assee…he sure does…Archie’s work is awesome…

Jamie…the time was definitely right.

Charlie…sorry we missed seeing you there. It was a fantastic Jazz Fest and we were set up between the Blues Tent and the Jazz Tent…so no lacking any music and definitely not lacking for any good food. The rain didn’t even stop anything…amazing how people there will sit and stand in the down pouring rain and listen to good music.

DS…no one likes the price but look at the price of any quality cabinet saw with equal specifications and there is not much of any price gap…throw in the medical costs and related of an accident and it was an easy decision.

gtbuzz….agree

GregD…I have never heard of anyone not liking it after owing it and hope to add my name to that list

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Tooch

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#17 posted 04-29-2013 09:54 PM

I work in a high school and have some very rowdy teenagers going in and out of my shop. Just to give you an example, last week a student got hit in the face with a rolled up paper towel while operating a jointer, because another wanted to practice his paper-towel-basketball skills. Regardless of how much I stress safety there’s a knucklehead in every class….

The Sawstop is a great saw. a few minor complaints, but the reassurance I get with having that machine in the shop is well worth it.

-- "Well, the world needs ditch-diggers too..." - Judge Smails

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Roger

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#18 posted 04-29-2013 11:30 PM

Good luck with your new saw. Maybe one day, that big bag o cash will fall out of the sky into my front yard, and I’ll be able to buy one.

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Keep your dust collector fed. Kentuk55@yahoo.com

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#19 posted 04-29-2013 11:39 PM

You will not regret the purchase. It is a terrific saw.

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#20 posted 04-30-2013 12:36 AM

Mine’s two years old, I use the hell out of it, I’ve never had one complaint. Good purchase, you will not regret it.

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#21 posted 04-30-2013 01:14 AM

congrats on the new saw,hopefully one day i’ll get one.
seems all the reviews are good,thats what i wondered about awhile back when i researched them.if the cost was for a mediocre saw with technology or a good saw with technology.as i’ve learned and read more reviews i think they make a top of the line saw.enjoy your new saw,congrats again.

-- Marty.Athens,AL

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#22 posted 04-30-2013 01:55 AM

Glad to hear you had a great Jazz Festival (again)

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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rance

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#23 posted 04-30-2013 04:06 AM

You’re gonna love it.

-- Backer boards, stop blocks, build oversized, and never buy a hand plane--

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#24 posted 04-30-2013 04:38 AM

I have the ICS and I love it. You will not regret buying it. There are only a few improvements that SS could make. One is the zero clearance insert. When you run thin stock, the stock has a tendency to stop at the end of the insert plate because the insert plate gets pressed down by the pressure placed on the stock. It can’t be adjusted out with the set screws because the material isn’t rigid enough. I ordered an Infinity ZCI plate and it solved the problem because it’s made of billet aluminum and is rigid.

I do love the SS, however, I purchased a used Felder CF 741 last fall and I’ve been using it the last few days. I’m still getting used to the slider but I must say it is a fine piece of machinery that is very safe. I made some rails and stiles today using the shaper. The power feeder and cross cut fence is a dream to use. The slider glides effortlessly. Although my hands rarely get close to the blade I wish it had the saw stop technology. If I could only have one saw, I’d take the felder but it costs much more $$ than the expensive SS.

-- Sorry the reply is so long. I didn't have time to write a short reply.

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#25 posted 04-30-2013 06:06 AM

DS, to my knowledge, Sawstop hasn’t lost any lawsuits (or, for that matter, been a party to any lawsuits) about the technology. Their founder was an expert in the Ryobi lawsuit, but the jury agreed with him in that case. Which lawsuit are you thinking of?

-- Kelby

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#26 posted 04-30-2013 09:17 AM

Kelby, I don’t think there ever was any lawsuit. I suspect folks are referring to this: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/industries/manufacturing/2011-02-02-saws02_ST_N.htm

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#27 posted 04-30-2013 12:49 PM

I don’t see a thing in the world wrong with what you did, Greg. I’ve been using table saws now for over 40 years and presently own a PM2000. I’m planning on buying a Sawstop myself but I’ll stiil keep my Powermatic and use it for jig work.

helluvawreck aka Charles
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-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#28 posted 04-30-2013 01:07 PM

Helluva- Powermatic saws aren’t too shabby either!

Cajun- I can’t get over your post title. Most would say “I finally broke DOWN and ordered a SawStop”. Did you really fart before you placed your order?

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#29 posted 04-30-2013 01:54 PM

I was wondering the same thing Stumpy…

Congratulations on the new saw Cajun.

-- "woodworker with an asterisk"

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#30 posted 04-30-2013 02:44 PM

yes, there are other great saws available but the SawStop is currently the only one with the safety feature. I have been considering a different saw for a while but talking with Archie helped me make my decision.

The SawStop is 34” tall and my Grizzly is 34 3/4” and has an 96” outfeed table the same height and also a 48” side cabinet that my Incra fence is mounted on…so it will take a good bit of extra work to either lower the outfeed table and the cabinet of a simpler solution of adding 3/4” to raise the saw.

Stumpy…A good fart always relieves the pressure of making a purchase over $2500…and besides, it was a good way to clear my small 10×10 booth during the jazz fest when people would just come in there to only get out of the rain. I had people come in the tent and not respond to a hello…and they would just stand there talking on a cell phone or just stare out into the rain.:)

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#31 posted 04-30-2013 04:12 PM

Was that your booth? It was raining and I had calls to make, I would have said hello but it smelled like a fart in there.

I’ve got the 5HP Industrial version on the way. I also have an Incra fence, which isn’t going to fit the deeper table, so that means an extra $100 upgrade from Incra. Figures…

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#32 posted 04-30-2013 04:42 PM

So, would cutting a wet piece of wood trigger the safety? Just wondering…..

-- Marty, Columbus, OH, learning every day....

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#33 posted 04-30-2013 04:46 PM

Sawstop says the wood would have to be very wet, like spraying water from the blade wet. But they added a feature so you can test wood if you are worried about it. You can shut off the brake feature and run the cut. If it would have triggered the brake, there is a light that will flash. So you can then finish milling with the brake on or off accordingly.

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#34 posted 04-30-2013 04:50 PM

Great idea, thanks Stumpy!

-- Marty, Columbus, OH, learning every day....

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#35 posted 04-30-2013 04:55 PM

I too bought one over the weekend- 3hp PCS with 36” fence…. it gets delivered today. I am very excited about it- a great saw that happens to have the “safety feature” is how I think about it.

Now I need to sell my Powermatic Artisans 63 contractors saw… any suggestions by anyone on how to price it for Craig’s list?

thanks

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#36 posted 04-30-2013 05:02 PM

Put $500 on it and let it sit for a month. Then drop it $100 per month until it sells or you reach a price that is too low to reduce any farther for you. I am amazed at what people ask for crappy saws on there. A nice older saw should be worth a premium.

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#37 posted 04-30-2013 05:19 PM

One downside of the SawStop is that it works only with 10” blades and 8” dado blades. And they can’t be too far out of these sizes. I had to buy a new stacked dado set because the one I had was a bit larger than 8” and it was impossible to adjust the blade brake to get the appropriate clearance.

And plan on keeping the manual where you can find it. Every so often I get an error code and need to go look it up. Also, I have to look up the sequence for bypassing the brake trigger since I so rarely do that.

-- Greg D.

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#38 posted 04-30-2013 06:08 PM

It is definitely a bit more temperamental in certain areas but I guess that is what we put up with for the safety feature.

Stumpy…didn’t realize the Incra needed an upgrade for fitting properly. Glad you mentioned it. I guess I need to give Incra a call and see what I need. Saw is coming Thursday and don’t need a delay playing with my new toy while waiting for Incra parts.
I listed my Grizzly on Craigslist and got a call about 15 minutes later and the guy came over about 15-20 minutes after that and gave me a deposit on the saw. Got 2 other calls by the time he gave me the deposit. Sometimes you gotta love Craigslist.

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#39 posted 04-30-2013 07:02 PM

Yup- The SawStop table is deeper than standard. The rails will be too far apart. You need a new plate that the positioner attaches to, and a longer fence. It’s about $100 with shipping.

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