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First Post, another Which Table saw?

by Brenda T.
posted 496 days ago


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Monte Pittman

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#1 posted 496 days ago

Hi Brenda, shop space is always a problem. If you’re just doing limited work with it, fit the spot and your budget. It really comes down to buy the biggest and best you can. But like most of us, you’ll start small and trade your way up.

Welcome to LumberJocks

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knotscott

5418 posts in 2002 days


#2 posted 495 days ago

Comparing full size stationary saws with belt drive induction motors to portables with direct drive universal motors is never a fair fight. The mechanical and performance advantage weigh heavily in favor of the bigger saw. If the R4512 would have worked well for you, I would encourage you to at least stick with that class of saw. If a small portable just makes more sense, then so be it, be know that you’re giving up some saw in comparison. Also, cutting sheet goods on a portable is a tall task….better to have the home center rough cut them for you, or do it with a circular saw, then trim to final dimensions on your TS. Some reading to help… Making Sense of Table Saw Classifications

The G0732 is smaller than full size, offers steel wings, and a bit of a lesser fence compared to some in this price range, but it still has some advantages over the portables (more mass, belt drive induction motor, std miter slots). while retaining some portability.

The Porter Cable PCB270TS should at least be on your list if you’re looking at full size saws. The Steel City has a similar reputation to the other entry level full size saws….pretty decent, but isn’t all things to all people. The Cman 21833 is about the same saw as the R4512, but with a slightly bigger motor.

Have you looked for any used saws in your area?

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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kdc68

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#3 posted 495 days ago

Cutting full sheets of plywood are cumbersome with a table saw…Here’s a jig for your circular saw to aid in cutting full sheets to rough size…then you can cut to finish size on your table saw

http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/reviews/4283497

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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redryder

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#4 posted 495 days ago

This also= has been an accurate and useful tool for me to breakdown sheet goods.
Homedepot must sell a boat load of those table saws…................

-- mike...............

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Charlie

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#5 posted 495 days ago

I used an edge guide like the one in the popular mechanics article when I was building my kitchen cabinets. I made a couple of really long saw horses using some of those folding metal brackets you can pick up kinda cheap. I set them up right behind my van in the driveway. Slide a 4×8 sheet out of the van and onto the saw horses. I put 4ft pieces of 2×4 laying ACROSS (from one saw horse to the other) a pair of 8ft long saw horses. I could then break down the 4×8 sheets into sizes that were more manageable (I work alone about 99% of the time). Cut everything just a bit oversized, carried it back to my shop, final cut on table saw, build cabinets, carry it BACK up front to the garage for my wife to do finishing.

My shop doesn’t accommodate passing full sheets through the table saw and without a proper setup and room, I just don’t feel it’s safe for me to handle such big pieces by myself.

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Brenda T.

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#6 posted 495 days ago

Thanks for the ideas! I agree that cutting things down to size with the circular saw is probably best and the edge guides are a great idea! So I do want to get the most saw possible. I think the jobsite saws and the 0732 are out. I wouldn’t really save much space with the 0732 and I want more table space than the jobsite saws offer.

I am thinking maybe the Grizzly 0713. I am worried about the weight, but the floor held the 4512 with my Benchdog router table, so the 713 should be close to the same weight and would mount the Benchdog RT to save some space. I don’t think I want to go heavier. I am really concerned about the flooring.

Anyone have opinions on the G0713? I couldn’t find much info on it other than the website and the manual.

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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knotscott

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#7 posted 495 days ago

The G0713 is essentially the same as the G0661 but with a slightly smaller motor (1.75hp vs 2hp) that’s easier on 120v circuits. The G0661 is a fairly well proven hybrid style saw….solid cast wings, nice fence.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Splinter12

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#8 posted 495 days ago

I am get my g0661 tomorrow. I am upgrading from a Bosch 4100. I found the Bosch pretty good but want cast iron and the dust collection was horrible plus the riving knife seemed to getting knocked out of wack easily. I always had a pile of dust on the floor even with a shop vac hooked up. I will try and post a review of the g0661. I would consider it my first real saw. The reviews were good for the g0661 vs the 715p. If you can swing it try not skip the portable phase. At the same time want to buy a used Bosch?

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Brenda T.

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#9 posted 495 days ago

Thanks all! . I am just about convinced to go with the 0713.

Splinter, I will look forward to your review of the 0661.

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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MrRon

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#10 posted 495 days ago

I think I would address the floor problem first. What exactly is your concern with the floor? Rotted wood, not enough underfloor support? It might be something easy to fix.
Oh btw, Welcome to the forum. We love to solve other people’s problems. That’s how we learn.

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patron

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#11 posted 495 days ago

maybe lay some ply down on the floor first
with some screws into the floor joists
to pull it all together
it will distribute the weight better
and keep from localizing on any one or two floor joists
cut it down if needed
or make some tapered 1×2 borders for it
(once you chose a saw)
to keep from tripping and help with sweeping

best of luck with a better saw

and welcome to LJ’s

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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Brenda T.

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#12 posted 495 days ago

The floor is framed out with 2×4s placed on 2ft centers with 3/4” ply on top. There are some vertcal braces toward the center. It was rotted and that is how the management fixed it. I offered to upgrade the materials, but it didn’t happen. It also has a small sloop. I rent so I don’t have the final say.

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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Brenda T.

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#13 posted 495 days ago

Patron, I thought about that, and also maybe just another layer of ply over the whole floor. Good idea!

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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patron

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#14 posted 495 days ago

if you cover the whole floor
(good idea)
just offset the second layer
so the seams to width and length
don’t land in the same place
(like at 2’ for the width and 4’ for the length)
so it spans even better
and maybe some screws to bond both layers too

you can always take it up later if you move
and have it for some new shop
or shelves there
(even with screw holes it will still be good)

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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Splinter12

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#15 posted 495 days ago

Brenda it may take a couple weeks to post a review, but there is already a review of it so where on lumberjocks.

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Brenda T.

36 posts in 498 days


#16 posted 495 days ago

Thanks Patron, I think I will do that. I would feel more comfortable with some added strength to the floor.

Thanks splinter, I will do a search and see if I can find it.

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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NiteWalker

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#17 posted 495 days ago

Brenda, I have the 4100 and it’s a nice saw, but very small; more so than I’d like.

I would get the steel city, but not the ss version; that one has stamped steel for the main table as well as the wings. I’d get the granite or cast iron version.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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Brenda T.

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#18 posted 495 days ago

Thanks NiiteWalker, I think I have ruled out the 4100 although it looks nice. The Steel City saws do look nice, but I wish I knew if I could attach my router table to them. The CI and Granite ones seem to be heavier than the Grizzly I’m considering also, but I still haven’t ruled out the CI one, the granite I think would be too heavy for my space.

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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kdc68

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#19 posted 495 days ago

The G0713 is essentially the same as the G0661 but with a slightly smaller motor (1.75hp vs 2hp) that’s easier on 120v circuits. The G0661 is a fairly well proven hybrid style saw….solid cast wings, nice fence.

Brenda T...I have the G0661….It’s been a great performer…no issues in the 4 months I’ve owned it…

Here’s my review

http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3218

They are currently on sale…

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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sgmdwk

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#20 posted 495 days ago

I want to go back to the start of the thread. You say your saw has a blade alignment problem. It is not uncommon for contractor-grade saws to have the arbor out of alignment with the top (and the miter slots). It is easy to correct by loosening the arbor nuts, tapping it into alignment the tightening them back up. There are plenty of guides available on the Internet on how to do it. That would seem like a better way to go than returning the saw and looking for another one.

By the way, thanks for your years in the Navy. – I spent 24 years in the Army. We old servicemen need to stick together.

-- Dave K.

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Brenda T.

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#21 posted 495 days ago

Thanks Kdc, I am really leaning toward the 0713. I read your review and it looks like a good piece of machinery.

Sgmdwk, it wasn’t just the alignment, it was that the alignment changed every time I adjusted the blade height. Any movement on the blade height adjustment caused the blade alignment to change from + .04 to -.035 with no consistency. Not something that should be lived with. Thanks for the years you did also. It is something I did that I can be proud of.

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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kdc68

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#22 posted 495 days ago

Brenda T.... I read your shop description…I think the G0713 would probably work with your shared 20 amp circuit fine…The G0713 is rated at 14amps …You would need a dedicated 20 amp circuit for the G0661 at 16 amps….....It is a good piece of machinery…the accurate fence is so nice….nice dust collection shroud….solid feel….Good luck in your decision

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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Brenda T.

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#23 posted 495 days ago

Thanks Kdc, could I ask you, what is the width of your cast iron wings and the ext table you built? Looked nice by the way!

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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kdc68

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#24 posted 495 days ago

Brenda T...Each wing is 12” x 27”.....The extension I made is 22” x 27”....The main table is 20” x 27”....Total width is 66”

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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Brenda T.

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#25 posted 495 days ago

Thanks Kdc, that info is helpful!

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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kdc68

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#26 posted 494 days ago

Brenda T....Sure no problem….If you decide to purchase the G0713 and want mobility, the Shop Fox D2057A Mobile Base will work with this saw….That’s what I have for my G0661. Rolls that saw around without any problem….Good luck with your decision….

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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jimmyjjohn

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#27 posted 494 days ago

Hello Dear

If you’re just doing limited work with it, fit the spot and your budget. It really comes down to buy the biggest and best you can. But like most of us, you’ll start small and trade your way up.

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jimmyjjohn

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#28 posted 494 days ago

Hello Dear

If you’re just doing limited work with it, fit the spot and your budget. It really comes down to buy the biggest and best you can. But like most of us, you’ll start small and trade your way up.

Tanzania Safari, Human Hair Extensions, Electronic Cigarette Starter Kit

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Marty5965

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#29 posted 494 days ago

Hi Brenda, you might consider the Craftsman 218330 10” Contractor Table Saw. Basically the same saw as the Ridgid and in the same ballpark pricewise. I reviewed mine here http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3216. Given your small space it might be just enough saw for now (it’s no cabinet saw but, IMHO better than a jobsite saw). Haven’t added a router table to mine yet but should be easy with the extended rails on the right side. 22 yr Army Vet here.

-- Marty, Columbus, OH, learning every day....

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redSLED

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#30 posted 494 days ago

Haha, I vote “which table saw to get?” as the most posted LJ forum question.

I have the portable DeWalt 745 – it’s been a dependable workhorse for DIY home improvement and furniture projects. The 745 is fairly light – I hang mine on the wall on two 6” nails because my workshop space is tight. Just use the proper blades and make a cross-cutting sled for any fine woodworking. My only complaint: its motor is very loud, and the standard 16” rip fence capacity is what you get in this class.

I had the slightly bigger DeWalt 744 (again very reliable and usable but loud) before that but gave it to my dad since his very old motor died.

I like the comparable Bosch portables just as much.

I’ve used 2 variations of the Home Depot Rigid table saws – and I love those, but don’t have the space for one.

My one recommendation would be: if you plan on cutting plywood/mdf quite a bit in the future, and will still have tight space, consider acquiring BOTH of the following:
- a (used) highly-rated portable table saw, and
- a track saw with your own custom portable/folding workbench to accommodate it

-- Perfection is the difference between too much and not enough.

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Brenda T.

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#31 posted 494 days ago

Thanks Kdc for the base recommendation, I have been researching those.

Marty, I will take a look at the craftsman. Read your review and it is something to consder. Thank you for your service! My hat is off to Army Vets.

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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Craftsman on the lake

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#32 posted 494 days ago

I’ve been considering a jobsite saw since I’m working offsite more and more. The two I’ve looked at that look good are the Dewalt and the bosch. The absolute worse is the skill.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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Brenda T.

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#33 posted 493 days ago

So I thought I had settled on the Grizzly G0713, but today I spotted this on Craigslist: “Jet 10 Supersaw.

It has everything I want except a Irving knife. I am unsure about the sliding table and the fence is too long for my space. I would have to cut the fence down or trade it to someone who wants a 52” fence system.

It would save me about $350 to $400. It looks like a decent saw and I think I have seen it listed before, so he might take less.

Anyone have opinions?

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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nwbusa

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#34 posted 493 days ago

I personally wouldn’t own a TS without a riving knife, or at the very least a splitter.

-- John, BC, Canada

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kdc68

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#35 posted 493 days ago

Brenda T.... Before I made my Grizzly purchase , I searched for used. I seen a Supersaw pop up on Craigslist in my area. I researched it a bit and found a forum on Woodnet maybe ??..don’t remember… that the Supersaw isn’t so super. Blade height alignment issues and a mediocre fence system from what I remember…The saw looks like the one I seen on Craigslist here in Illinois so I’m almost certain it is the same model in your post… Needless to say I passed…maybe others will post to provide a more definative answer

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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Brenda T.

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#36 posted 493 days ago

Nmbusa, I would feel better having a Irving knife.

Kdc, thanks for that. I couldn’t find much on that model.

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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Brenda T.

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#37 posted 493 days ago

Anyone have a Grizzly coupon code that I could use?

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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kdc68

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#38 posted 493 days ago

Brenda T... maybe Knotscott will see your Supersaw question and provide you with info….He is the guru of table saws

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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knotscott

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#39 posted 493 days ago

You nailed it KDC!

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Brenda T.

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#40 posted 492 days ago

Just wanted to say thanks to all who provided me with their opinions and information. I decided to get as much saw as I could and that my space would handle. I pulled the trigger on a Grizzly G0713 this morning. It has shipped and has an est delivery date for Friday. I have to say that is Amazing, 2 day shipping on a 300 lb saw.

Thanks again for the help!

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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Marty5965

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#41 posted 491 days ago

Good job! Enjoy your Grizzly.

-- Marty, Columbus, OH, learning every day....

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